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CoffeeCat

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13. I am still learning about this...but the post-debate video...
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:02 PM
Oct 2012

...really is fascinating.

I don't think the video is conclusive. I wish it was. Mitt Romney is a psychopath and I certainly don't think that cheating is out of the realm of possibilities here. We need proof though.

We need the video that kept rolling behind him. All of the video. It needs to be zoomed in so we can see exactly what was on that podium. Surely, that is possible with today's technology.

Also, the video after the debate--when Romney walks over to the podium and grabs his notes. Look at that video closely. Ann sees what it in his hands, then she does a double take. Then, she looks like she's in a panic, trying to rush everyone off the stage. You can clearly hear/see her saying something about "...we need to get you off the stage now."

Also, did anyone else notice that right after Romney grabs the papers and walks over, he's standing behind Jim Lehrer, trying to get the papers in his pocket. But he can't. He's struggling trying to get them in his suit pocket. Then Jim Lehrer moves away from the group and it looks as if Mitt is attempting to get Jim Lehrer back in front of him. He looks panicked and like he was using JL to block any view of what Romney was doing while he was desperately trying to get the papers in his jacket pocket.

Did anyone else notice this??? Or care to comment???

There has got to be a way to enhance the sound during that scene. What did Anne say? What was said to the sons...prior to one of the sons taking the papers and putting them away? I think Ann said some incriminating things, because you really see the look on her face when she sees what Mitt has--then she goes into action.

There's a lot that has to happen here before any definitive conclusions can be drawn.

I don't know whether Mitt Romney used a cheat sheet, but this is worth exploring. For sure.

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Here are two link below with LOTS of discussion regarding the issue, come on over :) Tx4obama Oct 2012 #1
The slow mo above is MUCH clearer Ian62 Oct 2012 #2
Ahhh. Perhaps you should put in OP subject line that it is a 'slo-mo video' so folks.... Tx4obama Oct 2012 #3
I just did. Ian62 Oct 2012 #4
I watched your 'slo-mo' version and it sorta looks like ... Tx4obama Oct 2012 #5
There is so much starch in that "handkerchief" it looks like paper. Ian62 Oct 2012 #7
Look again- looks like he placed 2 items on the lecturn. lumpy Oct 2012 #24
Definitely a piece of paper. You wouldn't pull a handkerchief out of your pocket shaped like JaneyVee Oct 2012 #6
At the :13-:14 sec. part, you can see the pages ''flip'' as he throws it down. Octafish Oct 2012 #10
the tin foil hat strategy will not change the outcome of the event in any way nt msongs Oct 2012 #8
Maybe, but if he was cheating, people want to know. lumpy Oct 2012 #25
I think what was written on it: abbeyco Oct 2012 #9
Professional Grade Crook Octafish Oct 2012 #11
Exactly. blue neen Oct 2012 #18
I assume he broke a sweat during his practice sessions and wanted to be ready under the hot lights central scrutinizer Oct 2012 #28
Being surreptitious is one thing. blue neen Oct 2012 #60
There were several cameras and at least one would always be on him and filming. He would know that Incitatus Oct 2012 #71
Did he seem to be looking down at the lectern during the debate? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #21
Did you get an answer on the rules yet? Seems like the lecterns would be set up with blank pad and lonestarnot Oct 2012 #26
See rhett o rick's post below. He says Al Gore stated before the debate that they sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #34
Well, they gave them pads, you can see the pad already on the podium before he sets the notes on top tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #35
Al Gore said just prior to the debate on CurrentTV that bringing notes was not allowed. rhett o rick Oct 2012 #33
Thanks, makes sense. Al Gore would know I'm sure. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #36
The spaghetti will hit the fan when Al's team gets done going over the frame-by-frame. Octafish Oct 2012 #51
Kick this one Kingofalldems Oct 2012 #12
I am still learning about this...but the post-debate video... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #13
pics of ann's reaction to mitts notes bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #45
Good luck with the other camera angles Politicalboi Oct 2012 #55
Thoughts: HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #14
But it's the pocket next to the audience. trof Oct 2012 #15
He knew there was a camera to his left side behind him - he looked into it as he turned. Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #16
How many people in that audience would know the rules of the debate re. notes, etc? lumpy Oct 2012 #29
Could be. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #66
I watched it in full-screen mode on Youtube, several times. Chorophyll Oct 2012 #17
We need the video that was shot... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #56
I thought that object taped to the back of Dubya in '04 was going to be historical, Chorophyll Oct 2012 #57
the hump in 04 never was called out on M$M much, neither will the hanky pad = sad cheats lunasun Oct 2012 #62
Just a question? Were the debators not allowed to bring notes? kelliekat44 Oct 2012 #19
You can not bring notes. You can take notes during the debate. nm rhett o rick Oct 2012 #32
Paper was provided on the lecterns for note-taking. Chorophyll Oct 2012 #58
That's definitely not a handkerchief. Maybe someone can blow it up sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #20
I zoomed in on it. StarryNite Oct 2012 #22
It definately looks like he put 2 different items on the lecturn. I noticed this lumpy Oct 2012 #23
Never seen a hanky bounce like that mattvermont Oct 2012 #27
my dad used those MFM008 Oct 2012 #30
ok MFM008 Oct 2012 #37
They don't hold their shape like that, even if they're starched with laundry starch. gkhouston Oct 2012 #43
me to MFM008 Oct 2012 #52
One of those photographer's must have caught it. liberal N proud Oct 2012 #31
It's too solid to be a handkerchief tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #38
Smooth move. He should've been a pickpocket. Oh wait, he kinda is. nt Lex Oct 2012 #39
Hankys don't bounce! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #40
Yes... they DO bounce! -..__... Oct 2012 #53
It was a napkin that had a phone number on it Rex Oct 2012 #41
Why would he use a hanky? aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #42
Here's all I'm prepared to say: Slo-mo Romney is even creepier than real-time Romney! Plaid Adder Oct 2012 #44
Kick & Rec Lex Oct 2012 #46
No doubt about it Berlum Oct 2012 #47
2 questions: 1. why be so sneaky about a hanky, and 2. why lay a hanky out like that? Lex Oct 2012 #48
I don't know what that was, but it ain't no hanky obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #49
For those who are concerned riverwalker Oct 2012 #50
It's a handkerchief. earthside Oct 2012 #54
that's a good point treestar Oct 2012 #59
Let's put it this way: busted or not Wednesdays Oct 2012 #61
Looks like a folded handkerchief to me. WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #63
Meh, who cares. It's over. Everyone knows Romney is a liar and a cheat budkin Oct 2012 #64
Personally, I hope he smuggles his crib notes into all three debates Cirque du So-What Oct 2012 #65
Using an IPad EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 #67
What we need is video of where ohheckyeah Oct 2012 #68
Possibly a planner, couple other things... ESDU Oct 2012 #69
There are a few posts about the "notes" that Romney may have used... fadedrose Oct 2012 #70
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