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NoOneMan

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37. It takes energy & resources to provide for the elderly, among other things
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:21 PM
Oct 2012

That is a promise. An obligation. A debt that requires energy to fulfill now and in the future. When I say debt, Im not referring to the fiscalization of surplus (which has morphed into anything but). Im talking about tangible allocations of current and future energy that isn't being going to be used for substantial economic growth.

"Given where we are at today, and the resources available to us today, what is our best course for the future"

To abandon 'civilization' as a whole, adopt pantheism and convert immediately to a decentralized hunter-gatherer society.

But besides that, we are all pretty much screwed. Our glacier-fueled aquifers are near empty. Cheap oil is a thing of the past (we already scooped up the easy stuff made over millions of years of solar collection, burned in just a blink of the cosmic eye). The oceans are becoming acidic and our streams may be shot for producing salmon in 25 years. And we all know about the atmosphere. Its been a good ride, right? Not really.

The sooner we realize the unfeasability of not just growing, but even maintaining this over-leveraged civilizition, the sooner we can plan ahead and get about our lives. Of course, no empty suit is going to tell anyone the truth. Because of that, this is going to be one long miserable grinding halt we will witness over the next hundred years, while people still ask neo-classical economic questions about why systems fail to provide jobs for everyone.

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Romney!!!!!!!!!!!! imanamerican63 Oct 2012 #1
Unpatriotic corporations n/t BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #2
Productivity aletier_v Oct 2012 #3
Obstructionist rethuglicans in Congress. lpbk2713 Oct 2012 #4
You win! n/t fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #11
The "Job Creators" liberal N proud Oct 2012 #5
What on earth would a poll do to answer the question? frazzled Oct 2012 #6
A poll with a hefty number of respondents... fadedrose Oct 2012 #17
My objection remains frazzled Oct 2012 #22
If everybody is doing tech jobs with a high salary... fadedrose Oct 2012 #25
Not having a job? (nt) matt819 Oct 2012 #7
Globalization, Anti-Unionism, Lack of opportunity, No social mobility. JaneyVee Oct 2012 #8
Low demand for goods and services. That's why a stimulus works. godai Oct 2012 #9
Except it doesn't tama Oct 2012 #18
Lack Of Demand DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #10
Lack of demand is symptom, not a cause aletier_v Oct 2012 #14
By that logic we would never have recessions hack89 Oct 2012 #39
There was a demand, and it was ignored... fadedrose Oct 2012 #24
Insufficient demand. dawg Oct 2012 #12
THese are the results of unemployment, not the cause.... nt fadedrose Oct 2012 #20
The initial cause was the collapse of the housing boom. dawg Oct 2012 #26
How many of the jobs that were lost are due to federal spending cuts? fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #13
State and local spending cuts have been the real problem. dawg Oct 2012 #27
greedy penny pinching supply side Republican bosses who use trickle down as an excuse librechik Oct 2012 #15
Spending by the 99% is what drives the economy MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #16
Demand is down, because income is down,... 99Forever Oct 2012 #19
Real dollar wages being stagnant since 1979, resulting in less overall demand. HughBeaumont Oct 2012 #21
The whole concept of unemployment is repugnant. abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #23
Unbridled Capitalism. PDJane Oct 2012 #28
Employers who don't hire more American workers MrScorpio Oct 2012 #29
Root cause or direct cause? porphyrian Oct 2012 #30
Declining Net Available Energy NoOneMan Oct 2012 #31
Why do we have to pay off debt? abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #32
I mean many things when I say 'debt' NoOneMan Oct 2012 #33
But again abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #35
It takes energy & resources to provide for the elderly, among other things NoOneMan Oct 2012 #37
I don't think it has to be all that miserable abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #38
The transition movement is certainly a step in the right direction NoOneMan Oct 2012 #41
Here's my suggestion abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #43
And it takes more and more energy to refine other mineral resources... Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #40
Top tax rate too low, allowing the ultrarich to hoard their money meow2u3 Oct 2012 #34
concentration of wealth, income & power. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #36
The answer to that is, "it's complicated" Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #42
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