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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. Well
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 03:09 PM
Jan 2012

"Stoller & GG are right about the illiberal ends of the modern economy. Krugman is right that the Austrian School and paleoconservatives such as Paul offer no realistic alternative as to the means of running a modern state financial system."

...I don't think the two are right. They're taking a problem associated with people and failed policies, including the lack of oversight, and attributing it to a structural one. The FDIC isn't a failed idea because the banks are too big to fail or because Glass-Steagall was repealed.

"You have not made your case in your accusation that Stoller and GG are Paulists simply because they employ a libertarian critique of the ends of state finance embraced by Obama, Geithner and the other neoWilsonian Institutionalists running the federal government, which is an essentially reactionary and upwardly distributive system that disproportionately benefits the One Percent."

Good grief, ignoring the arguments, doesn't mean they weren't made. I repeat: "Ron Paul is just another corporate tool, end the Fed and eliminate corporate taxes, keep oil subsidies and tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, and agree to whatever else is in Grover Norquist's pledge"

As to the larger point of libertarianism, it doesn't work: http://www.democraticunderground.com/100287685

To quote:

People like Stoller ask others to ponder ridiculous hypothetical choices: civil rights vs. the drug war. They don't consider the real impact of choosing the latter over the former because all is fair in theory.

They don't consider the despair associated with an ideology that has "nothing to do with creating a more socially just and equitable society." All that matters is their phony progressive postulating that Democrats are the bad guys and the cause of everything wrong with the country. They ask you to overlook the Republicans' flaws and lunacy, either by creating false equivalencies or by claiming that Democrats haven't done enough to change things for the better.

If the likes of Paul were to create the kind of society he envisions, what would Stoller do? Where would he fit in? Where would blacks, gays and the poor fit in? How would the lives ruined compare to expanding "healthcare to children"?


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Your link does not work. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #1
Fixed. Thanks. n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #3
Here's the link to Stoller's column in original. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #7
Yes, ProSense Jan 2012 #9
So? People should read an article before letting you "discuss" it. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #11
Stoller has now teamed up with the Paul people - he is forever tainted. banned from Kos Jan 2012 #16
Why? ProSense Jan 2012 #18
Great. Just in case anyone missed it, the correct link to the article by Stoller... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #20
Thanks for the direct link. That is a fascinating read! MrCoffee Jan 2012 #24
Why you are welcome, sir, it's my pleasure to provide said link... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #28
Actually, you linked to your link of Stoller's original article. Jack Riddler linked to Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #13
Kick! n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #2
Stoller & GG are right about the illiberal ends of the modern economy and state finance. Krugman leveymg Jan 2012 #4
Correct, but some people are all about the labels, you know? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #6
Well ProSense Jan 2012 #8
You continue to misrepresent Greenwald and now Stoller... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #12
What? ProSense Jan 2012 #15
Yes, really. Luminous Animal is correct MrCoffee Jan 2012 #22
OK ProSense Jan 2012 #27
The question asked in the article is which type of politician is preferable MrCoffee Jan 2012 #30
Actually, he is defining a hypothetical dilemma and then elaborates in the following paragraphs... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #26
And ProSense Jan 2012 #29
He presents the hypothetical dilemma and then dismisses it as immaterial... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #32
No, ProSense Jan 2012 #33
You illustrate precisely why it is important to read the entire article... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #34
Really? ProSense Jan 2012 #37
Again, he is laying out what libertarians believe... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #40
I'm ProSense Jan 2012 #43
But wait a second.. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #48
Yeah ProSense Jan 2012 #50
I don't think it's fair of you to state that "Obama=Paul" girl gone mad Jan 2012 #52
OK ProSense Jan 2012 #54
Can you be more specific here? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #55
Can we agree then? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #57
Past a point, "failed policies, including the lack of oversight" is structural failure. leveymg Jan 2012 #17
Wrong ProSense Jan 2012 #25
"Regulators who turn a blind eye to enforcement is a people failure." girl gone mad Jan 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author JackRiddler Jan 2012 #5
Stoller is correct. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #10
You ProSense Jan 2012 #14
You really should work toward getting better reading comprehension. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #19
OK ProSense Jan 2012 #21
So the President agrees with Paul on marriage equality. And they state the same religious Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #31
Here's ProSense Jan 2012 #47
"because they both believe Ron Paul's message on the Fed" girl gone mad Jan 2012 #41
No ProSense Jan 2012 #49
I'm still confused about why you think this means Stoller has to post.. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #53
Because ProSense Jan 2012 #59
they are consumed with destroying the Federal Reserve and Ron Paul is their ally banned from Kos Jan 2012 #23
Congrats, Prosense! girl gone mad Jan 2012 #42
you are jealous, aren't you? banned from Kos Jan 2012 #45
Haha, misguided MFrohike Jan 2012 #56
I just came across Stoller's stupid screed this am and literally laughed out loud. jefferson_dem Jan 2012 #35
I honestly don't understand the bile MrCoffee Jan 2012 #36
Reasonable question - good luck looking for an answer. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #38
Monetary policy is not a scheme for liberals to wage large scale wars. banned from Kos Jan 2012 #44
Good thing your title line has nothing to do with what Stoller said. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #46
I wish you all would laugh out loud at Paul and the President on marriage equality on Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #39
EarlG has it right when it comes to Ron Paul. nt stevenleser Jan 2012 #51
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