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In reply to the discussion: Matt Stoller rebuts his critics [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)15. What?
You continue to misrepresent Greenwald and now Stoller...
You said...
"People like Stoller ask others to ponder ridiculous hypothetical choices: civil rights vs. the drug war. They don't consider the real impact of choosing the latter over the former because all is fair in theory."
Neither one pit civil rights against the drug war. They posit that both (as well as a host of other issues) are important and yet issues that are essentially off this Admins and the liberal government elites radar AND these issues which are important to progressives do not get a public airing from these self-same elites; and that, unfortunately, these topics are solely being promoted (on a national platform) by a flawed Republican candidate.
It is the simplest of concepts.
You said...
"People like Stoller ask others to ponder ridiculous hypothetical choices: civil rights vs. the drug war. They don't consider the real impact of choosing the latter over the former because all is fair in theory."
Neither one pit civil rights against the drug war. They posit that both (as well as a host of other issues) are important and yet issues that are essentially off this Admins and the liberal government elites radar AND these issues which are important to progressives do not get a public airing from these self-same elites; and that, unfortunately, these topics are solely being promoted (on a national platform) by a flawed Republican candidate.
It is the simplest of concepts.
Really? Stoller:
Paul is deeply conservative, of course, and there are reasons he believes in those end goals that have nothing to do with creating a more socially just and equitable society. But then, when considering questions about Ron Paul, you have to ask yourself whether you prefer a libertarian who will tell you upfront about his opposition to civil rights statutes, or authoritarian Democratic leaders who will expand healthcare to children and then aggressively enforce a racist war on drugs and shield multi-trillion dollar transactions from public scrutiny. I can see merits in both approaches, and of course, neither is ideal. Perhaps its worthy to argue that lives saved by presumed expanded health care coverage in 2013 are worth the lives lost in the drug war. It is potentially a tough calculation (depending on whether you think coverage will in fact expand in 2013). When I worked with Pauls staff, they pursued our joint end goals with vigor and principle, and because of their work, we got to force central banking practices into a more public and democratic light.
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Stoller has now teamed up with the Paul people - he is forever tainted.
banned from Kos
Jan 2012
#16
Great. Just in case anyone missed it, the correct link to the article by Stoller...
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#20
Actually, you linked to your link of Stoller's original article. Jack Riddler linked to
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#13
Stoller & GG are right about the illiberal ends of the modern economy and state finance. Krugman
leveymg
Jan 2012
#4
Actually, he is defining a hypothetical dilemma and then elaborates in the following paragraphs...
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#26
He presents the hypothetical dilemma and then dismisses it as immaterial...
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#32
You illustrate precisely why it is important to read the entire article...
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#34
Past a point, "failed policies, including the lack of oversight" is structural failure.
leveymg
Jan 2012
#17
So the President agrees with Paul on marriage equality. And they state the same religious
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2012
#31
they are consumed with destroying the Federal Reserve and Ron Paul is their ally
banned from Kos
Jan 2012
#23
I just came across Stoller's stupid screed this am and literally laughed out loud.
jefferson_dem
Jan 2012
#35
I wish you all would laugh out loud at Paul and the President on marriage equality on
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2012
#39