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Ford_Prefect

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45. That mistake was made in the aftermath of Bush/Cheney and the Neo-Con fascists.

Thu Jan 7, 2021, 05:46 PM

Jan 2021

We still have no accounting for how the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan actually got started nor the domestics abuses of power occurring in that time.

We "had" to move on...

We are paying today for that mistake and the sheer folly of allowing Neo-Con politics to morph into the Tea Party and Trumpism without confronting them with the truth.

As a progressive I complained to my well meaning moderate democratic congressman who ducked the issues. He repeatedly excused having our foreign policy dictated to serve the Oil Sheikhs, the Israeli Right Wing, the Generals who needed promotion and Combat prior to retirement, and of course the MIC Arms merchants.

I have no patience left to offer those who think we cannot spend the time to root out all the enablers, players, the wannabes, and the stay behind agents in waiting. What we saw yesterday was a DIRECT consequence of ignoring them when the previous Democratic administration took power.

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As a German, I say this: Do not repeat Germany's De-Nazification mistakes. [View all] DetlefK Jan 2021 OP

K & R musette_sf Jan 2021 #1

I don't see us de-Nazifying at all, at least anytime soon. enki23 Jan 2021 #2

As a fellow German - I second this opinion Pachamama Jan 2021 #3

As a full blooded German, I second this opinion also. KS Toronado Jan 2021 #33

As a Hungarian ChazInAz Jan 2021 #58

To be fair, Germans didn't make that mistake alone Klaralven Jan 2021 #73

Great post -- thanks Blecht Jan 2021 #4

K&R a million times!!! cp Jan 2021 #5

Except for the true congressional trumpers like Jordan, Gaetz, Nunes, & Gohmert, CrispyQ Jan 2021 #6

Your prediction is right on the money. HUAJIAO Jan 2021 #31

There will be a reckoning but it will not go far enough. It's human behavior science to want to move uponit7771 Jan 2021 #91

This unfortunately Meowmee Jan 2021 #92

I agree. Aristus Jan 2021 #7

This Biophilic Jan 2021 #8

It will likely not end soon over here, as long as... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #9

They didn't have to deal with social media and the moonscape Jan 2021 #50

That's true too. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #52

A wonderful POV from someone who understands consequences is most welcome - thank-you! marble falls Jan 2021 #10

And that is exactly why these terrorists from yesterday, today, and tomorrow must world wide wally Jan 2021 #11

And well background checked, well trained, thoroughly executing law ENforcement & Prosecution. ancianita Jan 2021 #78

Kick superpatriotman Jan 2021 #12

K&R Excellent posting. alwaysinasnit Jan 2021 #13

Germans are smart people who were willing to learn from their mistakes Alhena Jan 2021 #14

I've said it here a dozen times or more... Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #15

Also because GWB and his enablers walked. meadowlander Jan 2021 #99

Great post. We need to hear this. Say it often. Squinch Jan 2021 #16

The United States already made that mistake. StevieM Jan 2021 #17

Bingo. geardaddy Jan 2021 #20

Yep! nt Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #23

And.... NHvet Jan 2021 #25

I was going to post the same misanthrope Jan 2021 #35

That is definitely true, and in recent decades it took a more dangerous turn. StevieM Jan 2021 #47

Nuff said. Marcuse Jan 2021 #54

From 1861-1865 the closest Confederates got to sacking the Capitol was SuprstitionAintthWay Jan 2021 #81

Agree agree AGREE all around! Off topic - cilla4progress Jan 2021 #59

+1, it was Andrew Johnson who did JUST THIS !! He pardoned all the southern assholes for ... uponit7771 Jan 2021 #90

K & R geardaddy Jan 2021 #18

We've a long tradition of normalizing this sort of behavior here pecosbob Jan 2021 #19

Well said... AmyStrange Jan 2021 #21

As a German in spirit only (I was born in Mnchen and lived in Dachau) sdfernando Jan 2021 #22

K and R Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #24

Agreed! peggysue2 Jan 2021 #26

You mean like we have forgotten slavery? N/T tiredtoo Jan 2021 #27

Well said! CanonRay Jan 2021 #28

Thank you very much for your post! LaMouffette Jan 2021 #29

Hopefully, there can be plenty of public hearings in the new Democratic controlled Senate AdamGG Jan 2021 #30

What do you do with a nation half full of idiots? DSandra Jan 2021 #32

Great post! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #39

I will likely still be laughing about the woman who came to DC from Nevada Blue_true Jan 2021 #40

Your second paragraph is a masterpiece. Ligyron Jan 2021 #65

Here in America, the hate will be reborn in four years. Blue_true Jan 2021 #34

K & R BadgerMom Jan 2021 #36

NO, it was NOT WRONG for you to write this. soldierant Jan 2021 #37

Good post and right thing to say. Jetheels Jan 2021 #38

History may not repeat, but it does rhyme... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #41

K&R AmericanCanuck Jan 2021 #42

Beautiful piece PirateRo Jan 2021 #43

I've been saying basically the same thing for a long time. cab67 Jan 2021 #44

That mistake was made in the aftermath of Bush/Cheney and the Neo-Con fascists. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #45

K & R SunSeeker Jan 2021 #46

reborn in a few bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #48

Thank you for writing this very important post. TheRickles Jan 2021 #49

Thanks Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #51

East or West. hunter Jan 2021 #53

Immense Thanks. zentrum Jan 2021 #55

It was absolutely the right thing for you to write this. Old Crow Jan 2021 #56

Excellent essay! burrowowl Jan 2021 #57

you are 100% correct to write this stevesinpa Jan 2021 #60

Agreed BigOleDummy Jan 2021 #61

Thank you. Very thoughtful post. 58Sunliner Jan 2021 #62

About ten years ago, I toured Dachau concentration camp which is near Munich OMGWTF Jan 2021 #63

Thank you for posting this wise advise. We had better follow it housecat Jan 2021 #64

Thank you for writing this. You are right. Look at the racial issues in this country. Much of it judesedit Jan 2021 #66

It was right of you to post this. smirkymonkey Jan 2021 #67

KnR, DetlefK Hekate Jan 2021 #68

Thank you for this... Trueblue Texan Jan 2021 #69

Agreed. BusyBeingBest Jan 2021 #70

We in fact did the same exact thing. PurgedVoter Jan 2021 #71

When I saw what was happening at the Capitol yesterday thucythucy Jan 2021 #72

Before we can make the mistake of moving on we must first win this struggle. Ligyron Jan 2021 #74

Thank you! wryter2000 Jan 2021 #75

Other than saying "don't forget" you have given no specifics. former9thward Jan 2021 #76

Important lessons, indeed... Blue Owl Jan 2021 #77

Nothing at all wrong with this OP, or the thoughts behind it. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #79

K&R n/t Kitchari Jan 2021 #80

Wow, I didn't know the 60's were like that njhoneybadger Jan 2021 #82

Very intriguing. Left me really thinking. Thank you! I want Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #83

Thanks for these truths, and for the invaluable advice. Enoki33 Jan 2021 #84

Sounds right on to me.. bagimin Jan 2021 #85

Thank you bdamomma Jan 2021 #86

I favor branding their foreheads... BlueIdaho Jan 2021 #87

This is correct jimlup Jan 2021 #88

TY for your valuable insight and drawing the deep //s stuffmatters Jan 2021 #89

Our 3rd Reich is called the Confederacy.. and they've been going strong since 1861.... sigh n/t. JustFiveMoreMinutes Jan 2021 #93

The Biden administration must pursue charges against t BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2021 #94

I think there are still more than a few nazis in Germany as well unfortunately Meowmee Jan 2021 #95

I haven't seen any talking about "forgiving and forgetting" Trump and his followers yet. LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #96

Thank you, DetlefK! Sparkly Jan 2021 #97

From a fellow German: No, it was not wrong to write this!/nt. OldEurope Jan 2021 #98

Thank you for writing this! Raster Jan 2021 #100

Thank you DetlefK, it is the right thing to say. BunnyMcGee Jan 2021 #101

On the other hand, when they turned the Baath party people out into the streets in Iraq... MrModerate Jan 2021 #102

you're not wrong.... Jamelle Bouie wrote about post Civil War Reconstruction mistakes LymphocyteLover Jan 2021 #103

K&R UCmeNdc Jan 2021 #104

Can I call them Nazi now or is that too broad of a brush? I sure wouldn't want to Hotler Jan 2021 #105

I lived in Germany during the Bader-Meinhoff groups attacks. oldsoftie Jan 2021 #106

Agreed. Like the short-term benefit of pardoning Nixon has led to continuing inability to recover Rabrrrrrr Jan 2021 #107

Maybe the best thing I have read on D.U. The Mouth Jan 2021 #108

I don't think we should forget VA_Jill Jan 2021 #109

As an American... Aviation91 Jan 2021 #110

"hatred will fester and be reborn" - That's precisely how the Confederate flag... Beartracks Jan 2021 #111

K & R SunSeeker Jan 2021 #112

I don 't think that is entirely accurate. It was never forgotten that "12 years of Hitler's rule Nitram Jan 2021 #113