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In reply to the discussion: Occupy Oakland damages itself more than ports [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)74. Oh, that's funny!!
I remember in the beginning of this movement, the first weekend, the dire predictions, (or hopes depending on your perspective) that it would not last a week.
I also remember the preparation for this movement, before it began. They were so organized. One very important thing they pointed out was that the far right and some on the 'left' would trash the movement, stating that 'there will be nay-sayers from the beginning'. Not hard to predict, but what I admired about them was their advice on how to deal with it. They intended to ignore it. Not to get bogged down with negativity but just keep moving ahead. And I am in awe of how they have stuck to that decision. .
I made a bet on Sept 17th with one of the 'naysayers' who predicted it would not last two weeks, that it would still be here in December. I guess I should pick up my bet.
I am willing to make another bet. This movement is going nowhere, in fact it is growing every day and spreading further around the country and the world. It cannot be stopped now. And it will be here for years.
It took years for the bad guys to destroy the world's economy and the countries they wrongfully invaded. They have had a head start, so it will take years to fix the harm they caused. And from the beginning, another thing I admired about occupiers, how realistic they were, they knew it would take years.
So, the whining cries of 'they're finished' have been heard every day since September 17th and will continue to be heard. Meantime the occupiers are doing as they said they would do, continuing to grow and to plan and to build and ignoring those who for some inexplicable reason, do not want the PEOPLE to prevail over the evil that has taken so many lives and so much of our and others' countries' treasure.
But that is their problem. They are predictable as the sun rising every morning. Being wrong won't deter them. It never has.
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Actually, it didn't. Anyone who was there witnessed the support from the rank & file.
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#1
You are right. The Oakland activity was offputting even to some Occupy activists let alone to
quiller4
Dec 2011
#11
Protests that hit ten thousand plus at their height are now down to a few hundred at a time.
TheWraith
Dec 2011
#84
I am thrilled with the progress of this movement. It's now in over 2,000 cities worldwide
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#98
As explained several times already, union leadership has no-strike contracts to deal with.
backscatter712
Dec 2011
#29
The union leaders DO support them. This has been explained over and over again.
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#76
That is true. Most do. However even without a no-strike clause ILWU members who have no dispute
quiller4
Dec 2011
#16
“The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones.” ― Confucius
LooseWilly
Dec 2011
#78
So to inconvenience Walmart by a barely noticible amount, they screwed the port workers out of pay.
TheWraith
Dec 2011
#85
Walmart operates on barely noticeable marginal amounts... multiplied over vast numbers of margins.
LooseWilly
Dec 2011
#91
Put another way, Walmart makes a few thousand dollars less profit out of a $15 billion dollar year.
TheWraith
Dec 2011
#94
I actually think you may be mistaken about ILWU workers losing a day of pay. If
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2011
#53
Some union leaders seem to be siding with the 1% in attempting to marginalize OWS...
AntiFascist
Dec 2011
#15
Walk in to a Longshore Hall and ask around. If you check in at Local 19 or 123 you'll find
quiller4
Dec 2011
#21
I don't know about Seattle but in Tacoma the answer is "yes" and that is at least in part why there
quiller4
Dec 2011
#59
I agree, leaders have appeared from time to time, even addressing the media...
AntiFascist
Dec 2011
#71
It's more like OWS is stepping up to the plate to do what the unions should be doing.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2011
#17
Do you think publicly showing up the unions is a wise move? How does this grow the movement? nt
hack89
Dec 2011
#20
If the unions don't want to be "shown up" they should be out there picketing.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2011
#24
Or, vice versa? Is it a "good thing" for the unions to try to break a strike?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2011
#31
The union leadership tried to stop us from striking in '71 and Nixon called in the troops.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2011
#36
There is no strike at the Port of Seattle, Neither is there a strike in Tacoma. Were contract
quiller4
Dec 2011
#60
Actually, the shutdown was supported by many unions, but keep going, I'm enjoying this
CreekDog
Dec 2011
#22
So OWS only represents special 99 percenters? It is not a global movement? Got it. nt
hack89
Dec 2011
#51
So anyone who doesn't have the luxury of traveling to OWS in Oakland, California should shut up?
TheWraith
Dec 2011
#89
The only strawman is your insinuation that I have a motive other than accuracy.
TheWraith
Dec 2011
#96
There were union and non-union supporters of #OWS Oakland, It is a shame so many are ignoring it.
unapatriciated
Dec 2011
#109