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Red Oak

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49. I strongly disagree. Dems need to get a backbone and get the job done.

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:02 PM

Jan 2021

This "be patient" is a load of B.S. We have a treasonous President that must be impeached.

I'm fine with House leadership and Senate leadership laying out a plan, even if that plan takes days (we have 11 1/2 left), but I am not fine with a plan that is morphing, changing and delaying if the result is the all-to-typical Democratic "oh, so sorry we couldn't get it done".

Leadership needs to lay out the plan. Then let everyone know what the plan is. Then get it done, busted up offices or no. 24 x7 until Trump is impeached. You need a computer - go buy one. Paper works, too. No excuses. Get it done.

Trump needs to be impeached and he needs to see it coming.

Next: Make the Republican senators and Republican representatives that supported this treason pay for their actions. A bunch of hugs and singing kumbaya is not going to rid the United States of Trumpism. We can hug after they know the Dems mean business.

After that: Facebook, Twitter, Rupert Murdoch (Fox News), Bain Capital (iHeart media , Rush Limbaugh). Sue the shit out of them for defamation (Dominion, et. al.) and incitement to riot.

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Folks PLEASE! STOP attacking the Dems for not impeaching TODAY [View all] StarfishSaver Jan 2021 OP

Thank you. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #1

Another reason why DownriverDem Jan 2021 #92

There should be a civics requirement for every high school diploma dlk Jan 2021 #120

The last four years Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #134

Exactly dlk Jan 2021 #150

Thank you for that. Very helpful! n/t Pobeka Jan 2021 #2

Thanks. The other thread was a disgrace. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #3

I must have missed it. I have not wnylib Jan 2021 #62

The only disgrace orangecrush Jan 2021 #91

Stomping your feet and attacking Dems because it's not happening today is a fucking disgrace. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #125

It shows. orangecrush Jan 2021 #156

Amen, BannonsLiver. soldierant Jan 2021 #202

Thank you for posting this sagesnow Jan 2021 #4

THIS malaise Jan 2021 #5

I Read It Is For The Death Of The Capitol Police Officer COL Mustard Jan 2021 #72

It is. nt oldsoftie Jan 2021 #179

Yep onenote Jan 2021 #6

Republicans have to pull the trigger on this one. Under The Radar Jan 2021 #7

Yes, once again relying on gop to do the right thing...which almost never works. This time though, wiggs Jan 2021 #57

I doubt anyone in government Under The Radar Jan 2021 #60

We have to careful that we don't wreck our Democraric principles saving our Democracy ... marble falls Jan 2021 #8

Once again, thank you. sheshe2 Jan 2021 #9

How about this compromise for those who would still demand instant gratification? FreepFryer Jan 2021 #10

And everyone who wasn't has to STFU for 48 hours about it? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #11

Me, too! ShazzieB Jan 2021 #33

The House and Senate are adjourned until after the inaugeration former9thward Jan 2021 #12

Adjournment means they don't have votes but are subject to the call of the chair StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #15

Do you really think that Biden will allow impeachment drama former9thward Jan 2021 #17

Why not? This isn't about a ceremony, this is about the continuation of democracy ... marble falls Jan 2021 #96

He just had a press conference former9thward Jan 2021 #181

+1 chowder66 Jan 2021 #36

tRump can be impeached after Inauguration, I'm told & thus barred from ever holding office again. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #23

No, he can't StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #26

Yes he can. The Constitution allows it. You won't be able to show where it disallows it. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #116

I don't agree with this analysis StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #119

It is an unresolved question. onenote Jan 2021 #194

It's unresolved in the courts, but I don't think a court would ever rule that an ex-president could StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #196

The main thing that stops a Congress from doing what you feat onenote Jan 2021 #208

Where does "barred from ever holding office" come from? CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #78

Technically, as a conviction punishment Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #117

I agree. Really only Pence can save us from some imminent bad act servermsh Jan 2021 #13

That's something I wondered - will the impeachment trial continue if he's out of office? sweetloukillbot Jan 2021 #16

Impeachment does not prevent anyone from running again. former9thward Jan 2021 #18

True, but prison might housecat Jan 2021 #22

Interestingly it doesn't former9thward Jan 2021 #30

I was thinking about very long term prison housecat Jan 2021 #206

That's kind of where I was going sweetloukillbot Jan 2021 #28

The Senate can only bar him from future office AFTER voting to remove him StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #35

No. Once he's out of office, impeachment lapses StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #20

Makes sense - thanks sweetloukillbot Jan 2021 #48

And, this time, force these RWMFs, especially fwvinson Jan 2021 #85

This is another dangerous rule here...if they are both hell bent on doing something, nobody can stop cbdo2007 Jan 2021 #19

I appreciate your calming facts and information. lark Jan 2021 #14

True in normal times, but this is an exigent circumstance housecat Jan 2021 #21

The rules still apply. That's the point of rules. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #27

Thank-you happy feet Jan 2021 #24

Knowing the ball is rollling is Bettie Jan 2021 #25

Didn't we go through this a year ago? mcar Jan 2021 #29

You would think that, wouldn't you? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #38

Mixed Emotions! 3825-87867 Jan 2021 #31

Great post. Wanna put pressure on someone? Pressure Pence and the cabinet to 25th Trumpy. FSogol Jan 2021 #32

Thank you StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #40

this llashram Jan 2021 #34

I'm not in a rush to remove tRump, he is small potatoes & my main objective for him being yaesu Jan 2021 #37

How long would it take to vote on censuring the President? TheRickles Jan 2021 #39

It would take as long as an impeachment vote StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #41

Yeah, but in the meanwhile how about 3825-87867 Jan 2021 #51

Politicians have been condemning Trump out the wazoo StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #53

Not looking for a "dog and pony show" 3825-87867 Jan 2021 #73

Do you have a link that outlines the process? Thanks. TheRickles Jan 2021 #84

Try govinfo.gov. lots of info on house practices. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #90

Thanks, but that site seems to be an archive of documents, with not processes or principles TheRickles Jan 2021 #95

You may be right. I found house practice for impeachment but Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #112

Here are the House rules StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #114

Committee of the Whole House MoonlitKnight Jan 2021 #127

Yes, she can. That's what she's doing StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #128

No need to suspend the rules MoonlitKnight Jan 2021 #158

We are in agreement StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #159

Thanks for your expertise, Moonlit and Starfish, but my question still feels unresolved: TheRickles Jan 2021 #180

Yes, the procedure is pretty much the same. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #182

Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. TheRickles Jan 2021 #184

Censure normally is much quicker and dirtier. Just not right now StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #186

Two perspectives.. GentleAlien Jan 2021 #42

Welcome to DU! AllyCat Jan 2021 #45

Okay. Thank you. This is a helpful explanation. AllyCat Jan 2021 #43

Thank you! As much as I want that murdering, wannabe tyrant gone yesterday, there are procedures niyad Jan 2021 #44

It's like SlogginThroughIt Jan 2021 #46

It's like Nasruddin Jan 2021 #80

an admirable bit of snark stopdiggin Jan 2021 #193

I think we're mainly worried about Dumpy having the nuclear codes. judesedit Jan 2021 #47

Impeaching him today won't take the nuclear codes away from him StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #52

What will? judesedit Jan 2021 #153

A Senate conviction removing him from office or invoking the 25th Amendment taking away his powers StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #155

I strongly disagree. Dems need to get a backbone and get the job done. Red Oak Jan 2021 #49

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. These are just plain facts. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #55

You know what the plan is? No - you don't. Red Oak Jan 2021 #86

+1 SunSeeker Jan 2021 #157

No. I don't know what the plan is. And neither does anyone else StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #164

Post removed Post removed Jan 2021 #167

Thank you! WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2021 #50

Oh please! KPN Jan 2021 #54

You may be correct Ponietz Jan 2021 #56

Congress can act more quickly only if they have unanimous consent StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #58

Many apparently think so. (Amazing, isn't it?) NurseJackie Jan 2021 #59

It is amazing, isn't it? WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2021 #63

No no and no Nasruddin Jan 2021 #137

Not sure if I agree here, this is uncharted territory for most of Congress anyway GentleAlien Jan 2021 #64

Agreed. This is a new day. Red Oak Jan 2021 #97

Perhaps you should run for Congress given you seem to think you know how this should be done StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #100

Or we could sit on our thumbs - Red Oak Jan 2021 #130

If you think those are the only two options, no wonder your assessment makes no sense StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #132

Krugman Red Oak Jan 2021 #131

I'm just glad the window so small!!! Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #188

good article. but says not a single thing about a hard time frame stopdiggin Jan 2021 #195

Perhaps you should call your Congressman and tell him/her how this should be done Nasruddin Jan 2021 #139

Schumer isn't Majority Leader yet mcar Jan 2021 #172

This isn't about whether you agree or not. It's the law. They can't just do whatever they please StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #99

Oh please. The truth is that they are doing political analysis Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #109

Let us not harangue one another and we can converse on Wednesday Ponietz Jan 2021 #65

Exactly. Sure do miss two sided open discussion Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #110

It seems to me sometimes... Ponietz Jan 2021 #124

Lobbyists imho. Perfect clip. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #129

"What's with all the second guessing " TwilightZone Jan 2021 #81

I know I read here last night that a certain member of Congress Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #138

Sigh ... StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #140

I'm just saying Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #144

I agree StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #147

There's a reason she's called "Speaker" of the House. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #149

Random posters on internet sites always know more than the person, mcar Jan 2021 #171

Ordinarily, I'd find it a waste of time to argue with these people StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #176

I appreciate your efforts mcar Jan 2021 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #89

Thanks again for being the voice of reason. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2021 #61

K&R spanone Jan 2021 #66

Thank you, Starfishsaver wendyb-NC Jan 2021 #67

There's just not enough time for impeachment and removal. Lasher Jan 2021 #68

you only need majority in the house. drray23 Jan 2021 #74

You are correct. Lasher Jan 2021 #115

I think people are so utterly angry and disgusted by these nasty people that they want to see IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #69

I understand people are angry and frustrated - I am, too StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #101

You are right. We all need to take a deep breath and allow the process to work itself out. IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #146

Thank you! CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #70

Many of these people don't seem to realize how much they sound like StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #103

Oh BS. I am not pushing for rules to be broken. Get a grip. Red Oak Jan 2021 #141

Why do you think I was referring to you? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #142

Looks like that's what they are doing mcar Jan 2021 #173

+1,000,000 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #190

ANYTHING in there refute what the OP said? (nt) stopdiggin Jan 2021 #197

We shouldn't be attacking Dems right now PERIOD! n/t AwakeAtLast Jan 2021 #71

Translation:. They have to agree on which bill to introduce Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #76

Cicilline and Ihan drafted two separate bills, neither of which they have yet introduced StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #106

Impeach Trump again so Senate GOP is responsible for 12 days plus 2024 bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #77

I am aware that time is very short, but the process must start, even if it never reaches the Senate. patphil Jan 2021 #79

Thank you! Reality bites sometimes. pandr32 Jan 2021 #82

I missed the other thread Progressive dog Jan 2021 #83

Glad I slept through such attacks. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #87

GUYS, BEST thing to do: calimary Jan 2021 #88

Already done. orangecrush Jan 2021 #94

No one is attacking Democrats. orangecrush Jan 2021 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #98

Thank you! nt SunSeeker Jan 2021 #170

You're welcome! orangecrush Jan 2021 #191

Go back, it always comes down to that accusation. Always. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #187

Yup. orangecrush Jan 2021 #189

It's the swarm/disrupt/squelch strategy Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #198

Yes. orangecrush Jan 2021 #211

How about they work through the weekend? PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #102

They ARE working through the weekend StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #107

The RBG replacement felt like two days. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #108

RBG died on September 18. Her hearings began on October 12. was confirmed on October 26 StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #111

Thanks, Star Hekate Jan 2021 #104

Well, yeah. Starfish is right. Just elevating the discussion as has been done PatrickforO Jan 2021 #105

I'm going to trust the leadership to deal with it. BrightKnight Jan 2021 #113

And between the time of the attack and now, there were some minor bureaucratic issues. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #118

NO. They should have stopped everything and voted to impeach right then and there StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #122

Too many times people think what they want can be done with a snap of the fingers. LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #121

And then they want to argue about House rules without even bothering to read them. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #123

The rules are there for a reason. To reduce chaos. LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #133

Funny how some people insist we should just disregard the rules because they think the ends are just StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #135

Article I Nasruddin Jan 2021 #151

Impeachment is a legislative process governed by House rules, not the Constitution (except that the StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #154

Don't forget that the US Capitol is now a crime scene. summer_in_TX Jan 2021 #126

I'd say Pelosi & the House Dems are doing great under the circumstances. backscatter712 Jan 2021 #136

in a crisis situation endangering the very foundations of our democracy & maybe the planet itself OneBlueSky Jan 2021 #143

You could use a less confrontational approach when addressing the entire membership of the forums usajumpedtheshark Jan 2021 #145

Thank you for your advice on how I should express myself StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #148

(sigh) I did not tell you how you "should" communicate usajumpedtheshark Jan 2021 #160

K and R Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #152

Folks PLEASE! STOP attacking the Dems for not impeaching TODAY FelineOverlord Jan 2021 #161

Sounds like he's just as tired as I am of the Dems being criticized for not doing anything StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #162

Hmm. Checks schedule.. Uh no. Can't do it. MyNameGoesHere Jan 2021 #163

TY.. GD.. I'm so sick of Dems being Cha Jan 2021 #165

48 hours after Wednesday's terror attack is today. ecstatic Jan 2021 #166

Thank you. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #168

Kind of hard to draft and pass Articles of Impeachment when you're barricaded in the House chamber StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #177

StarfishSaver PLEASE! STOP attacking the DUers for wanting impeachment TODAY SunSeeker Jan 2021 #169

I agree! Democrats have to toughen up if we're going to undo the harm that trump & mitch have ecstatic Jan 2021 #175

Always happens. Lectures and denigration Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #192

I hear you. This is really not the optimal tool for this job IMO. D23MIURG23 Jan 2021 #174

Exactly StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #183

True. And they won't do that. How would you possibly explain Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #199

Republican senators can come up with a bad excuse for not convicting, if they want one... D23MIURG23 Jan 2021 #212

Great points,! Don't care why or how they got here., Just Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #213

K&R betsuni Jan 2021 #185

IMMEDIATE REMOVAL - that is the phrase that has been used by a large number of people usajumpedtheshark Jan 2021 #200

Even if he were impeached today, there's no way he would be removed before next week StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #201

I agree. I am sure the leadership is doing all they can to achieve removal. usajumpedtheshark Jan 2021 #203

Thank you AmyStrange Jan 2021 #204

House Democrats to Introduce Article of Impeachment Against Trump (on Monday)... AmyStrange Jan 2021 #205

Speaker Pelosi threatens impeachment if Trump refuses to step down 'immediately' AmyStrange Jan 2021 #207

Thanks for the info. I wish DU had a kind of General Discussion stickey area or similar Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2021 #209

Samantha Corbin on Twitter said that they were ready to go this weekend but needed unanimous consent catrose Jan 2021 #210

Well that sucks Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2021 #214