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5. I would answer but my Delorean time machine is all out of plutonium so I can't go find out..

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A very serious question for the men here at DU: [View all] Zorra Jan 2012 OP

A serious yet more relevant question is why they decided to grant them that franchise in 1920. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #1

I suspect it was getting pretty hard to justify after slaves had been freed and MGKrebs Jan 2012 #11

That is not an answer to the question that I asked in my OP. I'm not beating anyone over the head. Zorra Jan 2012 #19

By 1920 the arguments against were obviously considered archaic by most. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #72

What a bunch of bullshit. CrispyQ Jan 2012 #155

Men "granted" women the franchise? Hardly! frazzled Jan 2012 #43

Uh, no. Women could not vote themselves the franchise ...... oldhippie Jan 2012 #116

Time to resurrect the term frazzled Jan 2012 #121

Poor analogy. Martin Luther King Jr and his adult supporters were voters. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #145

Agreed. frazzled has made a poor argument via a poor analogy TalkingDog Jan 2012 #150

Poor analogy: The Civil Rights Acts were not voted on by the electorate frazzled Jan 2012 #161

You're missing the point. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #168

You "men" would never have done it on their own frazzled Jan 2012 #171

"The powerful never cede power unless they have no other choice" Mimosa Jan 2012 #174

As a woman and a strong feminist, I disagree with you. yardwork Jan 2012 #206

Compel and coerce rather than 'convince' LanternWaste Jan 2012 #209

Because Harry Burn loved and respected his mother obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #58

Fascinating link. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #146

The Tenn. Leg wasn't too pleased, either obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #147

I do agree with that point treestar Jan 2012 #183

because they considered women more like property than like equals DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #2

Yes, look up the term "chattels". trof Jan 2012 #165

This is not a serious question itsrobert Jan 2012 #3

Why do you think the question in the OP is not serious? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #219

I recently watched the PBS series on Prohibition. no_hypocrisy Jan 2012 #4

That was inaccurate Charlemagne Jan 2012 #12

Thank you. nt Zorra Jan 2012 #23

It was the political confederacy zipplewrath Jan 2012 #25

Well stated Charlemagne Jan 2012 #37

I loved that series. Thanks for mentioning it. The temperance movement did play a role. slackmaster Jan 2012 #13

I would answer but my Delorean time machine is all out of plutonium so I can't go find out.. ddeclue Jan 2012 #5

I know a guy in Libya Charlemagne Jan 2012 #14

I think it's mostly just a historical legacy. MGKrebs Jan 2012 #6

Distinct possibilities, I believe. Thanks! Zorra Jan 2012 #38

That's what I would say Major Nikon Jan 2012 #157

Why did so many people, both men and women, accept the practice of slavery? drm604 Jan 2012 #7

That is not an answer to the question that I asked. If you start your own OP with your question, Zorra Jan 2012 #27

It is an answer. drm604 Jan 2012 #36

My request was for men to offer opinions on a subject. I am not attacking anyone. Zorra Jan 2012 #48

Perhaps men just didn't view women DocMac Jan 2012 #110

It's hard for me to believe that political leaders didn't consult with their significant others Major Nikon Jan 2012 #159

I doubt that men confided in their wives that way. DocMac Jan 2012 #228

is there a reason why you asked specifically for men's answers tnvoter Jan 2012 #172

lumberjack_jeff is on the right track salvorhardin Jan 2012 #8

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #17

Oh, those angry feminists! Did those in power granting freedom to slaves do away with redqueen Jan 2012 #44

Wow. demmiblue Jan 2012 #55

Right? "the gift giving group" redqueen Jan 2012 #59

Sounds like something straight from FR. demmiblue Jan 2012 #66

That's a nauseating post. But he knows that. Matariki Jan 2012 #201

I'm far more cynical than you on this one. redqueen Jan 2012 #208

"The Doldrums" were the nadir of women's rights obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #61

If you look at this timeline for women's suffrage by country, you will find that the US was not Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #9

Because that was always the way things were done previously slackmaster Jan 2012 #10

I would assume fear of losing the privileges they'd become accustomed to. qb Jan 2012 #15

There seems to be a lot of testeria in response to your question a simple pattern Jan 2012 #16

A very apt word, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2012 #26

testeria, Whisp Jan 2012 #40

LOL, nice one. redqueen Jan 2012 #49

I love it! Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #63

I approve! City Lights Jan 2012 #139

Yup. What DU needs is more pejoratives for people who disagree with you. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #148

Great coinage, fills a real need. bemildred Jan 2012 #175

^Duzy?^ Zorra Jan 2012 #190

(testeria isn't a new word, sorry) nt greyl Jan 2012 #227

It's a good question, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2012 #18

Thanks, MM, for this insightful response. Zorra Jan 2012 #60

Those are tough questions, and I'll be speculating, but: MineralMan Jan 2012 #85

Another interesting response, thanks! nt Zorra Jan 2012 #96

Women/Bible DryHump Jan 2012 #131

Disagree. It's strict literal interpretation that's the problem n/t arcane1 Jan 2012 #164

Perhaps. But the Quran has similar issues. MineralMan Jan 2012 #170

As does the Torah. Patriarchy is deeply entrenched in the big 3 religions nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #176

The library Charlemagne Jan 2012 #20

OK, you have several responses now. What's the upshot? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #21

That's going to take awhile to process, because Zorra Jan 2012 #198

Not just in the US, you know, and the reason at the core was what it is in places they Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #22

If you look at this of countries and when they granted women the right to vote RZM Jan 2012 #46

Yes, Wyoming led the way. Probably because it was frontier territory, MineralMan Jan 2012 #111

And the States right next to them did not. Was their territory so different? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #123

You know, I don't know. MineralMan Jan 2012 #169

You know many Native American tribes were matrilineal. Women owned the property riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #178

Because we could mdmc Jan 2012 #24

So that we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now The Straight Story Jan 2012 #28

Bad TSS! Bad! EOTE Jan 2012 #51

LOL! Trust me on this bro, the shit we're in would be soooo much deeper right now if Zorra Jan 2012 #64

Patriarchal Religion that has passed from generation to generation n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #29

oh wait, I'm not a man - can I still participate? n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #30

Yeah, but it's men's night. Women have to pay a cover. nt Zorra Jan 2012 #67

Because people can be jerks? RevStPatrick Jan 2012 #31

this is veganlush Jan 2012 #32

LOL! No, unless people consider a question posed in order to provoke thought Zorra Jan 2012 #69

... progressoid Jan 2012 #204

We are all captives of the culture we are born into. bemildred Jan 2012 #33

It's hard to escape when most people insist on maintaining the status quo. redqueen Jan 2012 #53

I think we have only begun to explore the possibilities. bemildred Jan 2012 #179

Exactly - cultural intertia tjwmason Jan 2012 #203

control rurallib Jan 2012 #34

It was considered rational at the time to only allow white men to vote arcane1 Jan 2012 #35

The United States, like all other countries in the 19th century, was patriarchal muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #39

That's along the lines of what I was thinking deutsey Jan 2012 #52

Not having lived in that period or the time previous to it, I am at a loss to answer your question Sherman A1 Jan 2012 #41

but the answer is veganlush Jan 2012 #42

The US was even more of a Patriarchy then, than it is now. mojowork_n Jan 2012 #45

Interesting Ineeda Jan 2012 #47

i think i might look to the church dembotoz Jan 2012 #50

People with power strive to keep it. Orangepeel Jan 2012 #54

I would like to disagree with everyone blaming religion or the church. redqueen Jan 2012 #56

And you are incorrect in doing so cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #65

I disagree. redqueen Jan 2012 #71

link please jorno67 Jan 2012 #74

Religion is a creation of mankind, is it not? dawg Jan 2012 #87

That's a good point, about virtues being expressed as well. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #112

Yes - Religion is the creation of man jorno67 Jan 2012 #120

Even if the misogyny came later, it is still the creation of man. dawg Jan 2012 #124

well there's where we differ... jorno67 Jan 2012 #133

I think we agree more than we disagree. dawg Jan 2012 #138

I agree jorno67 Jan 2012 #143

You're right. I didn't mean to imply that... redqueen Jan 2012 #126

fair enough! jorno67 Jan 2012 #135

It's not just christianity RainDog Jan 2012 #118

But did religions create the attitude in the dominant group? And by religions, Zorra Jan 2012 #82

I doubt it. redqueen Jan 2012 #89

Then logic would suggest that those who hold sexist opinions today could come up with Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #97

You'd have to ask them for their reasons. redqueen Jan 2012 #98

Religion was crafted at a certain point to codify these sexist 'laws' Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #122

Patriarchal religions were not the first religions? redqueen Jan 2012 #125

2,000 years of wrong-headed history WilliamPitt Jan 2012 #57

No. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #80

Meh - that doesn't show women were ever more influential than men in Christianity muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #95

What? Who was trying to show they had MORE influence? Union Scribe Jan 2012 #99

Men were dominant in Christianity right from the start until 1920 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #103

If you want to ignore actual scholarship Union Scribe Jan 2012 #113

familiarize yourself with the Gnostics DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #136

who were not the dominant form of Christianity, and were still male-dominated muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #142

Gnosticism clearly did not have dominant women as one of its dominant features DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #152

In 1790, New Jersey granted the vote to "all free inhabitants," including women. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #62

They thought women were emotionally inferior. Hysterical. dawg Jan 2012 #68

IMO Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #70

To maintain power. Simple as that. Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #73

Laura Ingram's grandmother had a strong following? snooper2 Jan 2012 #75

men were considered the "head of the family", hence in the position to grant rights (or deny them) DrDan Jan 2012 #76

I'm not a man, but I'm gonna venture an answer justiceischeap Jan 2012 #77

We got tired of the constant nagging? sledwreck13 Jan 2012 #78

Because it's a man's man's man's world MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #79

That is, of course, just the opinion of a self described sex machine. Zorra Jan 2012 #86

But it wouldn't be NOTHIN' without a woman or a girl. nt mistertrickster Jan 2012 #182

Short answer: history onenote Jan 2012 #81

Women who marched for suffrage were physically attacked RainDog Jan 2012 #88

Hmmm... Why do you wonder, did the police do nothing? midnight Jan 2012 #104

Activists were arrested (unconstitutionally) and abused. redqueen Jan 2012 #92

Thanks for the info onenote Jan 2012 #101

Alice Paul~what an amazing woman!! DearHeart Jan 2012 #195

Patriarchy is an ancient system and we still haven't really gotten rid of it. white_wolf Jan 2012 #83

Why ask just men? Union Scribe Jan 2012 #84

apparently yes Charlemagne Jan 2012 #90

Because I've only ever had this conversation, in any depth, with women, and Zorra Jan 2012 #93

"Men" didn't do shit. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #91

The OP makes me think of this video. frogmarch Jan 2012 #94

I loved that show Gregorian Jan 2012 #102

What is the history of women and the vote over two thousand years? Gregorian Jan 2012 #100

I think it's because society evolves right along with the brain and intelligence. Lint Head Jan 2012 #105

Thank you all so very much for all of these interesting responses! Zorra Jan 2012 #106

Because of their small penis size bigwillq Jan 2012 #107

Social and religious tradition killbotfactory Jan 2012 #108

The first things that comes to mind. PETRUS Jan 2012 #109

Because men at the time didn't think women were very smart...... oldhippie Jan 2012 #114

Why did Wyoming grant suffrage before the US did and refuse admittance unless it was recognized? REP Jan 2012 #115

+1 lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #151

(see .sig) REP Jan 2012 #153

Tradition mostly dmallind Jan 2012 #117

they just continued the way things were hfojvt Jan 2012 #119

I think the roots were there long before anyone could vote, I have no idea how women became TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #127

Because they liked beer Bok_Tukalo Jan 2012 #128

Damn right! greytdemocrat Jan 2012 #140

I think it it started as Roles, then became tradition and then became a way to retain power stevenleser Jan 2012 #129

coverture--something structural and thus implicit rather than explicit MisterP Jan 2012 #130

“The bicycle has done more for the emancipation of women than anything else in the world.” Fumesucker Jan 2012 #132

+1 Zorra Jan 2012 #196

Fear and insecurity. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #134

The simple truth. A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2012 #141

Power. n/t Fearless Jan 2012 #137

Interesting question. I guess because history is, in the long perspective, a story of progress. downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #144

I think that was just the way it had always been, and nobody thought to change it. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #149

Many women were against it. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #154

Duh. Women against equality. It seems that most anti-suffragist women were, naturally, RWers. Zorra Jan 2012 #193

"Duh"? So will a follow up thread ask women the same question? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #205

It appears that you are looking for a fight. Zorra Jan 2012 #210

That's the way their fathers, grandfathers, . . . . . had always done things. n/t jody Jan 2012 #156

I do not know. quaker bill Jan 2012 #158

Because women didn't demand it here until 1920. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #160

They'd been demanding it since 1848, at Seneca Falls frazzled Jan 2012 #162

Now, that's so unfair. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #181

I'm sorry, but what was I to think frazzled Jan 2012 #185

Actually, women in the US could vote in New Jersey for awhile until the early 1800's IRCC. nt mistertrickster Jan 2012 #186

You could just tell us what our answer is supposed to be Codeine Jan 2012 #163

Why the hostility? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #221

You couldn't have the 19th Amendment till you passed the 18th. Bruce Wayne Jan 2012 #166

Don't know for sure, but I'm feeling very guilty, thanks quinnox Jan 2012 #167

I'm a woman, but I have an opinion about it. Sparkly Jan 2012 #173

Lack of enlightenment, which thankfully gradually increased and still seems to. flvegan Jan 2012 #177

I'm not sure but maybe the same reason that France did not give women the vote until 1944 or Synicus Maximus Jan 2012 #180

Add Washington State as #5 - with an asterisk suffragette Jan 2012 #187

Among plain sexism, this is what I was told by my father who was old enough to Cleita Jan 2012 #184

Because men had brute force boston bean Jan 2012 #188

I've made a mistake-- I answered from an incorrect perspective. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #189

"Those who have gained compassion and love,... Zorra Jan 2012 #217

In history there is something called the "Sin Of Presentism." Yupster Jan 2012 #191

Because... WiffenPoof Jan 2012 #192

Because women are stupid and soft and emotional krispos42 Jan 2012 #194

Because most men are jerks lovemydog Jan 2012 #197

My thought? This is the definition of self-loathing. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #207

My thoughts? Yeh, some people act like ignorant jerks sometimes. Zorra Jan 2012 #214

thanks for the thoughtful reply lovemydog Jan 2012 #225

America was 98% farmers til 1900. ErikJ Jan 2012 #199

Woo-hoo! Another Men vs Women thread! Iggo Jan 2012 #200

It's not intended as such; please don't try to make it that way. Zorra Jan 2012 #215

I'm not making it that way. They get that way all by themselves. (n/t) Iggo Jan 2012 #218

Uh-oh, black magic! No prob, bro! Close your eyes, click your heels together 3 times, and... Zorra Jan 2012 #220

The issue of bigotry has to be addressed in order to be alleviated. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #222

This woman thinks it was because corporate America feared that women would be harder to control McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #202

Religious views played a role... spin Jan 2012 #211

How in gods name am I supposed to know what the fuck SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #212

Please, see post #214. Zorra Jan 2012 #216

Holy shit. Discussing sexism in our society is no more man bashing ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #223

Because power over another is hard to give up superpatriotman Jan 2012 #213

Wow, a simple question has inspired a lot of anger. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #224

The new word describing this phenomenon is Zorra Jan 2012 #229

I did not live in that time. I did not grow up in that time. I am not a historian. HuckleB Jan 2012 #226

. snagglepuss Jan 2012 #230