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tokenlib

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203. No I don't get it...

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 07:30 PM

Oct 2012

I am speaking about the knee-jerk reaction of those who seem to be displeased with anyone bringing up legitimate concerns on legitimate issues. Just because some of us feel the President's defense on Social Security has weakened since 2008 does not mean that we are not working for him, voting for him, and contributing to him and other democratic candidates. For some to respond to posts by those concerned about an issue with snark, belittling, and insults (which I have noticed or been the recipient of) on a few of the Social Security threads in the past 24 hours or so) instead of the issue at hand is why I speak of respect. These are legitimate concerns to some of us.Just because someone may not like or approve of a particular poster on DU is no reason to generalize about all those who share a concern in a negative manner-assuming they are the enemy.
I've been here long enough to know how upset and annoyed some people get with "trolls" and "troublemakers." Sadly I have seen attitudes get carried away so that people with legit concerns get stereotyped and labeled by those who overreact and decide they are all of a sudden the enemy. Most all of us are supporting the President and the democratic slate. Fortunately most people on DU are welcoming, agree to disagree when necessary, and make this a great place.

I made no comment about the terms "godfather" and "consigliere" and do not get your lecturing tone.

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Obama campaign REFUSES to disclose plans on Social Security, says discussion belongs with senators [View all] woo me with science Oct 2012 OP

Ya this is what we really need at this time on DU awake Oct 2012 #1

I think all he'll do is ann--- Oct 2012 #2

Jeez, at the rate we're going w/age increase, it won't be long before it's 70, 75. Why not 80? nc4bo Oct 2012 #3

Give those mother fers time they will get there. The dems aren't any more honest then the repubs. southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #60

Raising the retirement age is not acceptable policy but rather a massive effective cut TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #30

Your 4th paragraph ChazII Oct 2012 #181

Excellent! Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #202

Raising retirement age, and Medicare eligibility age = mass murder n/t eridani Oct 2012 #58

Stalin would be proud. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2012 #76

regardless of your snark, it will kill people. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #106

Who said it is snark? He killed about 3 million, irrc, we have about 80 million jtuck004 Oct 2012 #108

apologies then. i thought it was snark. and in fact, most of the folk who died under stalin HiPointDem Oct 2012 #112

This is extremely dangerous, and even the people who want so desperately to jtuck004 Oct 2012 #115

no, just 'the law'. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #120

To hell with raising the age abelenkpe Oct 2012 #251

"All he'll do is . . . raise the retirement age" OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #293

of course now is the time. after the election we have no leverage. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #18

Just curious, but what "leverage" do you think you have now?... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #23

'Neither party is going to discuss this topic before the election.' = oh really? and why is that, i HiPointDem Oct 2012 #25

Why don't you ask the candidates? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #78

I don't have to. There's only one possible answer. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #82

Yes, and I told you what that answer will be, whether we like it or not. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #88

Yes. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #92

Who is running who then? You're argument is we choose masters rather than representatives. TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #36

Yes, I've been a registered Democrat since I was old enough to vote back in 1970... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #75

Democracy is far older than you and yes it seems the truth is a problem for you. TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #356

We can make it politically untenable to cut Social Security. OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #294

Thank you for a great post that sums it all up. woo me with science Oct 2012 #302

I like it as well Oilwellian Oct 2012 #306

Thanks! OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #338

Sadly, I thought the name would be less relevant OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #337

We have less leverage than ever, right now. w4rma Oct 2012 #31

social security is a sideshow to other issues? that's bs. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #37

With 56% of November's electorate age 55 and over? eridani Oct 2012 #59

It is not that SS in not a issue it is that Medicare is a better battle field to fight on awake Oct 2012 #65

Both are important eridani Oct 2012 #66

I am not saying Both are not important awake Oct 2012 #72

We don't have time to wait. The "grand bargain" may be struck within weeks of the election... tokenlib Oct 2012 #91

All the more reason to stop Mitt from being elected awake Oct 2012 #98

We must do both..too many dems are open to a Simpson-Bowle-SHIT" "grand bargain." tokenlib Oct 2012 #103

+1 HiPointDem Oct 2012 #104

bull. what use is medical care if you're homeless? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #100

You have it exactly backwards. hay rick Oct 2012 #243

Aww, tama Oct 2012 #20

^^This^^ kurtzapril4 Oct 2012 #69

Too true Blecht Oct 2012 #241

Thanks, awake; you've got a good sense of proportion an timing. elleng Oct 2012 #29

I see a lot of right wingers lately posting on this board Iliyah Oct 2012 #68

There is no fearmongering involved here, only a reality check. Zalatix Oct 2012 #144

so you don't care that they raise the retirement age because you already are recieving ss? me b zola Oct 2012 #189

Right Welcme to DU! goclark Oct 2012 #32

Thanks guys awake Oct 2012 #73

Welcome. awake! freshwest Oct 2012 #308

I agree, let's not get into attack out of fear mode flamingdem Oct 2012 #43

Like hell we don't know. Raising the FICA cap and setting the initial benefits eridani Oct 2012 #253

Why dont you make a listing of what we may or may not discuss. nm rhett o rick Oct 2012 #52

Yes! I would very much love to see a list of what is forbidden speech. nm kurtzapril4 Oct 2012 #70

What should concern us all woo me with science Oct 2012 #204

Well said. hay rick Oct 2012 #227

exactly. Imagine the "outrage" if Romney is in office pasto76 Oct 2012 #64

If you are one of the "tweakees" to be "tweaked" it is a worry RIGHT NOW!! tokenlib Oct 2012 #86

May I suggest a name change? march starling Oct 2012 #123

No this is not a game awake Oct 2012 #131

No one said anything about not voting OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #295

Ditto. Not now. We know the philosophies & policies of the 2 parties. We don't need Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #213

Wrong, defending Social Security strenuously, is a WINNING election tactic and everyone sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #229

I trust Sen Sanders--- fredamae Oct 2012 #4

My thinking is with Axelrod. What will be the balance of the House/Senate starting 2013? Ninga Oct 2012 #5

We are going to get a bi-partisan f*cking, absolutely, no doubt about it. Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #6

Congress is ultimately responsible for this bigtree Oct 2012 #7

Seriously, what's the point? ProSense Oct 2012 #9

There have been major differences between the parties on Social Security TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #44

We absolutely deserve to know. kentuck Oct 2012 #133

Hold your tongues, knaves! Just send us your tributes! Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #8

You're worried about Obama's plan for Social Security?? Do you know what Romney's REAL plan is? JaneyVee Oct 2012 #10

Ah, but see, the beauty of scaring off Obama voters is that glorious revolution by the workers! freshwest Oct 2012 #309

From the Obama TRUTH TEAM: Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #11

+1 "under no circumstances" will he privatize social security K8-EEE Oct 2012 #13

privatization is a red herring. cuts are the danger. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #19

With Romney + teabaggers we would be starting on the road to "private accounts" a la GWB and FAST K8-EEE Oct 2012 #94

There won't be enough time after the election to get mobilized..the "grand bargain" is coming... tokenlib Oct 2012 #113

Look, you're right. uberblonde Oct 2012 #290

We saved you from privatization, now eat your catfood. hay rick Oct 2012 #245

and 'for now' is the operative phrase. it's a steady process of boiling the frog. for 30 years. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #250

All they need to do is raise the cap, problem solved, yet no one brings that up still_one Oct 2012 #56

Or they can pay back the $1.7 trillion BushCo embezzled from the SS fund. savannah43 Oct 2012 #273

That was actually one of the things the Simpsons Bowles commission said to do. Sirveri Oct 2012 #275

Obama is not to be trusted, which ProSense Oct 2012 #15

What are you saying, Obama is lying? still_one Oct 2012 #57

Obama is good person who may think "a grand bargain" best for the country.. tokenlib Oct 2012 #99

He's a fool if he thinks that. alarimer Oct 2012 #134

No, I'm saying this ProSense Oct 2012 #145

The decisions were made long ago. girl gone mad Oct 2012 #333

Any article that uses the word "consigliere" is immediately suspect, imo frazzled Oct 2012 #12

I'm proud and determined to take no prisoners and go for the jugular on this. TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #77

Because I believe the promise that has been made frazzled Oct 2012 #84

Obviously you missed the administration's clever word game on "cut" versus "slash" woo me with science Oct 2012 #129

Oh, it's you. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #14

kr. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #16

You people have heard enough about Social Security. Fumesucker Oct 2012 #17

Indeed. woo me with science Oct 2012 #200

recommended quinnox Oct 2012 #21

"stop asking questions and just vote damnit" ProSense Oct 2012 #22

Tama's post #20 said it much more cleverly and quinnox Oct 2012 #24

To me this issue is of no help to our cause awake Oct 2012 #26

what is 'our cause' then? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #27

Our cause is to awake Oct 2012 #33

i am happy to elect democrats that will enact & protect democratic policies. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #38

did someone appoint you as discussion monitor or something? quinnox Oct 2012 #41

why do you always talk using "we" and "our" quinnox Oct 2012 #34

I am sorry if my use of "we" or "our" offends you awake Oct 2012 #49

but...what if other people still want to discuss it? quinnox Oct 2012 #48

ATTENTION, Third Way calendar watchers! woo me with science Oct 2012 #28

Or we can remove the cap on the level of income that SS tax is applied awake Oct 2012 #40

The problem is all the positive comments about "Simpson-Bowle-shit"..they've telegraphed too much... tokenlib Oct 2012 #111

you forgot to throw a "truthy to power!" in there snooper2 Oct 2012 #224

Thank you dflprincess Oct 2012 #238

Busted. n/t rudycantfail Oct 2012 #248

Most excellent n/t Oilwellian Oct 2012 #307

Obama's going after social security again, eh? jberryhill Oct 2012 #35

This time, for sure...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #74

Surprised he has the time, what with fighting against equality and all jberryhill Oct 2012 #175

He just sucks at it. Robb Oct 2012 #119

LOL. DevonRex Oct 2012 #152

So you're equally sure that Obama doesn't want the Bush tax cuts to expire for the 1%? MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #237

Yes, I am a horrid person who supports an equally horrid candidate jberryhill Oct 2012 #249

You won't get screwed. Current and almost there retirees are a protected class. Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #272

Well I'm the kinda guy who pulls the ladder up behind him jberryhill Oct 2012 #274

I want this issue discussed by Obama BEFORE I vote. 99Forever Oct 2012 #39

Oh? you might want to reread our terms of service awake Oct 2012 #42

I'll highlight... Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #47

You will be happy to know that I do not see my self as a awake Oct 2012 #53

TOS Xedniw Oct 2012 #276

. blue neen Oct 2012 #51

I didn't ... 99Forever Oct 2012 #89

Well, you basically stated that you may or may not vote for the President. blue neen Oct 2012 #132

Thanks for permission. 99Forever Oct 2012 #137

Who the fuck died and made you Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #205

Weird. You're the second poster I've seen use the term "binary thinkers". blue neen Oct 2012 #324

I've used the term for decades. Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #349

Really? lonestarnot Oct 2012 #46

Are you encouraging people not to vote by way of foot stomp? lonestarnot Oct 2012 #50

Do you always put words in other peoples mouths? 99Forever Oct 2012 #93

What about encouraging people to walk and chew gum at the same time? Would that be OK? eridani Oct 2012 #255

N. s. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #292

You must have the archaic notion that your vote belongs to you rather than to a politcian. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #71

Yes I know... 99Forever Oct 2012 #85

I wouldn't CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #95

I want to hear it directly... 99Forever Oct 2012 #102

His payroll tax "holiday" has harmed it. n/t dflprincess Oct 2012 #239

LOL. Please VOTE FOR ROMNEY.. seriously. Because I think THEIR plans are really awesome. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #118

I've never said I would ... 99Forever Oct 2012 #136

You did say that you might not vote for the President. blue neen Oct 2012 #171

"leave the top of the ticket blank " NCTraveler Oct 2012 #315

Voting. For President Obama. It's fun. blue neen Oct 2012 #323

No it is not. I fully agree. nt NCTraveler Oct 2012 #325

Well...it won't be. So keep wishing. randome Oct 2012 #172

You misplaced this steaming pile. n/t 99Forever Oct 2012 #188

K & R! lonestarnot Oct 2012 #45

If Obama does anything with social security, it will benefit us...not hurt us. If Rob-me gets hold judesedit Oct 2012 #54

Well, like Obama said in the debate... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #55

I think that is a discussion that belongs to the American people Autumn Oct 2012 #61

Yeah, Bernie is the best--may he be blessed with great health and a long life!! tokenlib Oct 2012 #116

There is probably going to be an attempt to fuck with Social Security regardless of the election tularetom Oct 2012 #62

We drown in bullshit propaganda, lies, and deceptions. woo me with science Oct 2012 #63

You drown DU in propaganda, lies, and deception emulatorloo Oct 2012 #67

Perhaps the problem lies with our President. Autumn Oct 2012 #79

Did you think that maybe Obama was baiting Romoney awake Oct 2012 #83

I don't fucking play games and have no use for that shit. If you are posting that for Obama Autumn Oct 2012 #97

Was he "baiting Romney" when... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #101

Woo and Goldstein have been pushing this bullshit "secret plan" emulatorloo Oct 2012 #138

Read what Axelrod said and re watch the debate and hear what Autumn Oct 2012 #142

The problem is Woo NEVER goes after Republican in his posts emulatorloo Oct 2012 #146

Look. We are intelligent liberals. We know republicans. Autumn Oct 2012 #155

You are right, there is no need to fight emulatorloo Oct 2012 #167

I think we are all a little tired and a little touchy. Autumn Oct 2012 #173

. . . emulatorloo Oct 2012 #174

This exactly. Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #87

What about Obama's Grand Bargain... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #105

No, that was a bluff to EXPOSE BOEHNER was not serious about deficit reduction. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #149

A bluff? Really? What are you basing that opinion on? Oilwellian Oct 2012 #209

Thank you. I am sick to death of those who are willing to put blinders on until it is way too sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #353

Name the "propaganda, lies and deception" Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #208

+100000 dionysus Oct 2012 #320

This is what we do after the election.. Larkspur Oct 2012 #80

"I�ll tell you what, when you get elected to the United States Senate and sit at that table" Axelrod jtuck004 Oct 2012 #81

Nice awake Oct 2012 #90

You think killing millions of seniors is a prize? What a pathetic, ill-thought out opinion. jtuck004 Oct 2012 #96

No awake Oct 2012 #107

Who is the enemy when we are sending $40 billion a month to wealthy people so their jtuck004 Oct 2012 #148

Beautiful, important post. Thank you. woo me with science Oct 2012 #201

An Excellent Post...! Thank you....because that fills in the details about Bailing out the Banks KoKo Oct 2012 #316

It really bothers me. People are losing their homes, seniors were told their equity would jtuck004 Oct 2012 #334

Nice post from you about our Economy and Stock Market...and how much we don't know..and KoKo Oct 2012 #339

It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #151

Axelrod is the one you should "admonish"..for sounding like "Willard" with his "quiet room" comment. tokenlib Oct 2012 #124

THANK YOU. This should be the response by every citizen who is *EVER* woo me with science Oct 2012 #121

Uh huh. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #109

awesome post arely staircase Oct 2012 #110

56 & over = a majority of the electorate. SS is an important issue; I don't understand why HiPointDem Oct 2012 #114

it is a very important issue to me - one of the main reasons i am a democrat and an obama arely staircase Oct 2012 #128

Then I think we should be able to discuss it. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #222

I'm sorry that you think Obama's White House Senior Adviser sucks. Autumn Oct 2012 #117

here is the truth - and it bothers me not one bit. arely staircase Oct 2012 #130

Obama and the Democrats need to CLEARLY be pro social security. Autumn Oct 2012 #139

well, they are arely staircase Oct 2012 #298

The problem might be solved in your mind Autumn Oct 2012 #299

please, by all means continue to worry over non-existent things. here in the reality based community arely staircase Oct 2012 #350

Well bless your heart arely. It's good you feel so positive about things. Autumn Oct 2012 #354

positive? hell i am fired up! arely staircase Oct 2012 #355

I can not help but think that this issue will backfire awake Oct 2012 #122

If this issue backfires, it will be Obamas and Axelrods fault. Autumn Oct 2012 #127

Election night, DU 2004. The Great Reveal emulatorloo Oct 2012 #140

I see some at this time that are masked very poorly Autumn Oct 2012 #143

Sorry no - that's not how it works. "Pot Stirrers" emulatorloo Oct 2012 #150

Okay. So, Axelrods words are projecting republican policies onto Democrats. Autumn Oct 2012 #163

He said in the debate he had a version of Simpson-Bowles in front of congress. I wonder if this is dkf Oct 2012 #125

When I read the piece here about Peter G. Peterson, I finally understood. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #126

Authoritarians attempt to breed passivity in those they control. woo me with science Oct 2012 #135

What do you propose? LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #141

"If I have to take half a loaf or none, I'll take the half." woo me with science Oct 2012 #154

NOT BEING PASSIVE!!! LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #158

Ah, the Third Way bids for passivity. Textbook. woo me with science Oct 2012 #177

Lot of words and no substance. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #180

Voting is not enough all by itself anymore, and voting is absolutely NOT the only voice we have. woo me with science Oct 2012 #183

Just a critique. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #184

If this weren't such familiar, textbook spin, woo me with science Oct 2012 #185

"There is no alternative" tama Oct 2012 #263

and the alternative is much MUCH FUCKING WORSE, so howzabout we stop enabling it? nt LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #147

It is the reponsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #153

Yes and if your elected "servant" is not elected or reelected awake Oct 2012 #156

Obama is the public servant in question at this time. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #194

Maybe you and Woo can provide me a list of Democrats in the House and Senate emulatorloo Oct 2012 #157

Well, let's start with the Senators who didn't sign the letter opposing Soc Sec cuts.... tokenlib Oct 2012 #160

And yet we have a problem when Republicans take the 'Norquist' pledge. randome Oct 2012 #162

At least we know where the Norquest pledge signers stand--they make better targets.. tokenlib Oct 2012 #165

Not signing something is evidence of nothing. randome Oct 2012 #170

Right. Because a 'discussion' with 300 million people will certainly clear things up. randome Oct 2012 #159

Actually, no, tama Oct 2012 #264

You've cried wolf so many times on SS we're laughing DevonRex Oct 2012 #161

bless their little hearts, they try so, so hard... dionysus Oct 2012 #321

I'd love one!! DevonRex Oct 2012 #327

The campaign cleaned up the confusion last night kentuck Oct 2012 #164

They cleaned it up with holes large enough to drive a "Simpson-Bowles" bannered semi through.... tokenlib Oct 2012 #168

That is not a cleanup. Those words are disturbing as hell. woo me with science Oct 2012 #179

The President's "consigliere"? lolz JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #166

Thanks Julie..now this Cha Oct 2012 #169

Instead of insulting those who raise concerns--a little respect for their positions would be welcome tokenlib Oct 2012 #176

So I'll put you down as "OK with the Godfather comparison." DevonRex Oct 2012 #195

No I don't get it... tokenlib Oct 2012 #203

The term is in the link. Credibility lost. Nt DevonRex Oct 2012 #220

You seem so eager to just diss me... tokenlib Oct 2012 #223

He's right, he could propose the most enlightened plan in the world Warpy Oct 2012 #178

I enjoy the new "transparency" system at DU. mzmolly Oct 2012 #182

Is this supposed to be some bizarre version of "Are you now or have you ever been..."? woo me with science Oct 2012 #186

I have a problem with people here not supporting the Democratic mzmolly Oct 2012 #187

Oh kewl! 99Forever Oct 2012 #190

No. Just the reminder police. This IS a discussion board for those supportive of Democrats mzmolly Oct 2012 #193

Good bye. 99Forever Oct 2012 #196

Cheerio. mzmolly Oct 2012 #198

There is voting for Democrats period. And then there is voting for Democrats comma. eridani Oct 2012 #258

It's pretty clear what the DU TOS says - mzmolly Oct 2012 #284

You can have your lockstep.. girl gone mad Oct 2012 #335

DU has been a "viable discussion board" mzmolly Oct 2012 #336

Well, that was ugly beyond words. woo me with science Oct 2012 #191

Oh. mzmolly Oct 2012 #192

No she should not. Transparency is here for a DevonRex Oct 2012 #197

Exactly. n/t FSogol Oct 2012 #199

Thank you DevonRex. mzmolly Oct 2012 #232

Perhaps you don't get it tama Oct 2012 #265

Actually it's how this board works. mzmolly Oct 2012 #283

Actually not tama Oct 2012 #287

Skinner has clarified his position on numerous occasions. I quoted him, specifically in my sig line. mzmolly Oct 2012 #289

Don't worry, I will carry on tama Oct 2012 #291

You can toss out laughable analogies about abuse of authority if you wish. mzmolly Oct 2012 #296

My question is more general tama Oct 2012 #297

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Oct 2012 #301

Politics is "us against them." mzmolly Oct 2012 #303

I'm sorry you see it that way. tama Oct 2012 #305

When we vote on Novemeber 6th, it's for Obama or Romney. mzmolly Oct 2012 #329

In that sense tama Oct 2012 #331

I suggest finding a discussion board that isn't so mzmolly Oct 2012 #332

I love you woo, but Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #211

Expecting, and voicing the expectation, that Democrats will not attack Social Security benefits woo me with science Oct 2012 #217

Oh, I completely agree Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #219

Define purity in terms of electoral outcome. mzmolly Oct 2012 #233

Ah, the Electoral Outcome triteness... Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #236

Romney winning is trite? mzmolly Oct 2012 #285

"...list?" What is this "list?" "Please be careful" you warn and then mention "purity." KoKo Oct 2012 #317

It's a great feature NoGOPZone Oct 2012 #216

Tis mzmolly Oct 2012 #218

This is one of the most disgusting things... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #221

A high complement, considering the source. mzmolly Oct 2012 #230

Damn, you really let your authoritarian flag fly quinnox Oct 2012 #225

Ha ha ha ha ha. mzmolly Oct 2012 #228

Thanks for the opportunity tama Oct 2012 #266

Whatever the F mzmolly Oct 2012 #282

Wow! That was very enlightning! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #244

FDR is dead. mzmolly Oct 2012 #286

I personally do not like that statement. I want to know IF I have to work until I'm 70 or 80. diabeticman Oct 2012 #206

I wouldn't want Obama to veto any bill that extends retirement age. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #234

And how bloody convenient it is that people get jobs right out of school and stay eridani Oct 2012 #260

This should explain it all....don't worry! ann--- Oct 2012 #207

K & R Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #210

So how about you join in giving him a House and Senate Skidmore Oct 2012 #212

I know their plan. porphyrian Oct 2012 #214

remember woo: 'In times like these people have to watch what they say and watch what they do'. KG Oct 2012 #215

more like, "don't be a douchebag and campaign against dems at the end of a presidential campaign" dionysus Oct 2012 #347

The plans are exactly what they have always been.. and-justice-for-all Oct 2012 #226

"...and I will not believe otherwise." rudycantfail Oct 2012 #246

A chained CPI and hike in the retirement age, minimum. MadHound Oct 2012 #231

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #235

here's the thing shanti Oct 2012 #240

For 20 years we've been accepting Democrats behaving very badly MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #242

Fourth way? nt hay rick Oct 2012 #256

"i plan to leave it alone now and hammer obama after he gets elected" rudycantfail Oct 2012 #247

Glad there are still some of us FDR/New Deal democrats who aren't just going to "go along" with cuts tokenlib Oct 2012 #259

That looks ProSense Oct 2012 #271

Is it less true today then before? nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #288

I HEAR YOU WOO ME Skittles Oct 2012 #252

:) woo me with science Oct 2012 #343

Good thread. I think SS needs to he debated. Rather have debate with Obama Hoyt Oct 2012 #254

Could you (and everyone on this thread who does so) quit using bullshit terminology like eridani Oct 2012 #261

As an eventual "tweakee", your presentation is absolutely where we should stand.. tokenlib Oct 2012 #262

As a current tweakee, I'd like the discussion. I also like increased FICA cap and increased benefits Hoyt Oct 2012 #270

Unfortunately "simpleton" approaches and trying to put everything into simple boxes/questions Hoyt Oct 2012 #269

So, how do you decide who "certain people" are? eridani Oct 2012 #280

I am elderly, but I'm willing to discuss ways of improving Hoyt Oct 2012 #300

Chained CPI dosn't improve jackshit for anyone eridani Oct 2012 #310

I really don't care to waste my time trying to explain it to you. You won't get it. Hoyt Oct 2012 #311

I get that you think getting slowly poorer with each advancing year is wonderful for old folks eridani Oct 2012 #312

I don't think I'll get slowly "poorer" from chained-cpi. I do think we'll get poorer if we don't Hoyt Oct 2012 #313

Helping the 1% fuck over the 99% doesn't bring any kind of change I want eridani Oct 2012 #340

I will be depending on SS for damn near all my retirement income, but that means I'm dependent on Hoyt Oct 2012 #342

There is a SocSec Trust Fund in surplus to the tune of a couple of trillion, invested in T-bills eridani Oct 2012 #346

Great Points...! Hope folks will read as this thread is getting longer... KoKo Oct 2012 #318

Raise the damn cap! TexasBushwhacker Oct 2012 #257

I agree with this proposal but if we bring it up now awake Oct 2012 #268

Rmoney's campaign refuses to tell voters that he will get rid of the home mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #267

How President Obama and Mitt Romney compare on preserving Social Security for America�s seniors ProSense Oct 2012 #277

Obama loved and respected his grandparents and his mother - hedgehog Oct 2012 #278

His Mother had to battle insurance companies as she was dying from cancer. Autumn Oct 2012 #279

She did have health insurance. Beacool Oct 2012 #314

If enough Dems get elected.. stillcool Oct 2012 #281

Never liked Axeltod, nor Plouffe for that matter. Beacool Oct 2012 #304

WHOAAAA.. now.. where have YOU been young lady? carousing, i assume... dionysus Oct 2012 #322

Banky!!!! Beacool Oct 2012 #328

you know i wouldn't miss out on your appearances, however rare... dionysus Oct 2012 #344

It's going OK. Beacool Oct 2012 #345

Well...they are good at what they do as Political Operatives...BUT..are they good for the Rest of Us KoKo Oct 2012 #341

then take your bullshit to the old elm tree where it belongs. nt. dionysus Oct 2012 #319

What a thoughtful response! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #351

+1 n/t progree Oct 2012 #352

He needs a Democratic Senate. This is one way to say "make it so, or bad things CAN happen", a.k.a.. patrice Oct 2012 #326

The more you make what happens all about the top/king/daddy/power/authority & NOT about us the more patrice Oct 2012 #330

Meh... Javaman Oct 2012 #348