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RoccoR5955

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35. Even though these machines and the programs on them can be hacked.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:29 AM
Oct 2012

If we get out and vote, then after election day, PAY ATTENTION to our LOCAL VOTING PRECINCT'S results, we can protest the count if it looks like there's funny business.

I do know that in NY State, the machines that they chose, use a Microsoft SQL database for the elections. The machines come back from the polls, and their results are fed into one computer, which compiles all the results. The problem is that these databases and other applications are not secure, and they can be manipulated. Because the code is proprietary, it cannot be examined legally. This leaves them open to anyone who could construct a simple algorithm to flip a certain percentage of votes, provided they have access to the machines. One should also take note that the main computer runs Windows XP. This version of windows is known to have bugs in doing simple math problems.

At least in NY, the code is not secure, but the machines are fairly secure. There are seals on any place where one could tamper with them. This includes the place where the memory card is installed, and removed for compilation on the main election computer. The chain of custody is well documented, so should something arise, at least one could tell who had custody of the machine, and when they had it.

NY was the last state that went to these computerized voting machines, because we didn't like them, and raised a big stink to the State Board of Elections about it. Some of us explained that we already had our Tammany Hall, and had fixed it with the mechanical machines that we all used since the 1930s and 40s. I have worked on these machines as well, and they are impossible to hack, due to the interlocking mechanical elements of the machines, and the counters within them. I had insisted that NY not use proprietary software to count votes. That we needed to be able to examine the code to make sure that it was counting correctly, and compiling results correctly.

The machines in NY are not the type mentioned, so as far as being able to be hacked by remote control, I do not see how this can be done. The machines that count the ballots read into them are stand alone, with no connection, either wired or wireless. Each ballot counting machine has a self-contained PC inside of it with an oversized UPS, in case of a power outage. This could be different if there is a wireless connection, or if votes are sent to the main computer over public telephone or data lines. Perhaps the Diebold machines have this capability. I just don't know.

I do know that if we turn out in large numbers, it will be harder for them to change the results. Especially if people pay attention to their local precinct's counts. These counts are generally available from county boards of elections within a few days of an election. If the counts are way off, one could bring this to the attention of these boards, as well as the press, and perhaps something can be done with it before the election is certified.

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We need paper ballots and bkkyosemite Oct 2012 #1
I'm so proud that my county (Columbia County, NY) hand counts paper ballots eggplant Oct 2012 #18
I'm glad that you think your paper ballot gets counted, because it rarely does. RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #33
See this article from BradBlog eggplant Oct 2012 #36
It's good to see RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #37
is it still legal to ask for a paper ballot, instead of using the machines? Kurovski Oct 2012 #2
The absentees are counted by the same company that makes the hackable machines..... robinlynne Oct 2012 #25
oh god... Kurovski Oct 2012 #28
Wasn't remote. "It was carried out by inserting a piece of inexpensive “alien electronics” jtuck004 Oct 2012 #3
And cameras or zylaphones, or whatever you durn kids take pictures with. Kurovski Oct 2012 #6
Ironically, it is illegal to bring/use a camera when you vote. eggplant Oct 2012 #19
why am I recalling video of voter intimidation? Kurovski Oct 2012 #21
There is a spectacular group called video the vote. they document voting. robinlynne Oct 2012 #26
I meant specifically *in* the booth (recording your actual vote) eggplant Oct 2012 #31
Any IT tech can tell you that Microsoft Net Meeting Submariner Oct 2012 #4
well a big fat 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #5
this was all discussed at length for years. Many people just claimed Kurovski Oct 2012 #8
in fact, at the end of the article, there is a link Kurovski Oct 2012 #10
yes, but nothing has been done about it. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #13
Yeah, I know! that Ricky Ricardo...what a card! Kurovski Oct 2012 #17
Ricky Ricardo? 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #23
Post 10 Kurovski Oct 2012 #32
We need paper ballots. Surely someone can go to court and get an order for these. McCamy Taylor Oct 2012 #7
sure makes you wonder why the dems haven't taken up the issue 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #15
We knew 10 years ago that the electronic voting machines could be hacked various ways. RC Oct 2012 #9
Because SALON didn't want to hear it 10 years ago. Glitterati Oct 2012 #12
thank you. I felt like a bleedin' battered spouse for three years Kurovski Oct 2012 #16
Yeah, lots of nefarious things Glitterati Oct 2012 #24
Yup. The only way election fraud will ever be taken seriously, KitSileya Oct 2012 #38
it seems there is improved equipment in Venezeula. Maybe. Who knows. Kurovski Oct 2012 #14
It's not that hard to build a trustable electronic voting device. TheMadMonk Oct 2012 #39
Actually it's worse than that. Most of the OLD methodologies still work. TheMadMonk Oct 2012 #34
Another thing. The software now is propitiatory. It needs to be open source. RC Oct 2012 #40
From Boris Bazhanov's 'Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary' Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #11
GET OUT THE VOTE, my friends! Kurovski Oct 2012 #20
Romney’s buddies from Bain are connected to Hart Intercivic which makes voting machines... L0oniX Oct 2012 #22
+1000000000000000000 everyone needs to know about Hart Intercivic & the Romney connection flamingdem Oct 2012 #30
The US doesn't need any outside influence to F us up. The US is very capable of RKP5637 Oct 2012 #27
We go through this every damn election and yet the stupidity continues! Damn I RKP5637 Oct 2012 #29
Even though these machines and the programs on them can be hacked. RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #35
We are totally insane to have allowed these machines into our voting procedures. INSANE. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #41
I can't undersdtand WHY "Transparent, Verifiable Elections" ... bvar22 Oct 2012 #42
Maybe one day we'll know that reason why it isn't all that important to them. Kurovski Oct 2012 #43
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