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Lonestarblue

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94. I have to disagree with a delay.

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 02:19 PM

Jan 2021

Chuck Shumer will take over effectively as Majority Leader in January 20, so the impeachment articles could be sent on that date. While I agree with you that more evidence could be collected with more time, Donald Trump urged his mob to commit insurrection on live TV with his rally speech. That’s enough for conviction. If and when further evidence is uncovered by the FBI after Biden takes office, Trump can be indicted for further crimes. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems that the US Constitution would not allow someone to be pardoned for insurrection against the government.

My reason for wanting to go ahead with the impeachment and the trial is that in a hundred days,,the news cycle will have moved on, the horror of the attack on the Capitol and the deaths will have moved to the back of people’s minds, and right-wing media will have had a hundred days to rehabilitate Trump’s image. The delayed trial will then look like a partisan vendetta against Trump. Striking now while his crimes are the focus of the news cycle seems better.

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The idea of waiting to send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate is brilliant [View all] StarfishSaver Jan 2021 OP

It doesn't get Trump out of office BainsBane Jan 2021 #1

McConnell said the Senate padah513 Jan 2021 #6

The let McConnell be responsible for Trump for the time in between. nt Gore1FL Jan 2021 #72

No! StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #78

So they are on record supporting sedition. Gore1FL Jan 2021 #111

Trump's not going to be removed no matter when they send the Articles StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #8

Yes, I know McConnell said that BainsBane Jan 2021 #15

Preventing him from running again sweetloukillbot Jan 2021 #22

There is another reason too: for the future, making it clear that inciting a coup against the US... CousinIT Jan 2021 #34

hey lou, does that pension and SS protection still get removed if panader0 Jan 2021 #41

No. The Former Presidents act denies benefits only to presidents who have been removed from office StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #48

The Senate can't impose as part of the penalty? LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #81

No, they can't StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #97

Can he be tried after leaving office? Wednesdays Jan 2021 #114

That's not settled law since it's never been done StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #117

Trump could care less about the pension. DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #143

True. He can raise that with a couple of emails from his marks StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #145

I don't care if he gets a pension and Secret Service protection. LisaM Jan 2021 #104

Yes. One of the reasons to hold a trial in the Senate StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #107

Agreed, 100,000% ShazzieB Jan 2021 #113

The way he is living/eating DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #144

I'm pretty sure he'll be prevented from running again, one way or another. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2021 #174

This won't take away his protection or pension StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #57

I'm hearing that could also happen via censure. ??? CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #127

No. Censure cannot do it StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #131

George Wallace couldn't run for governor of Alabama in 1966 misanthrope Jan 2021 #126

I agree. Aristus Jan 2021 #37

Interesting insight and true, but if "it relieves the Republicans" would we be helping them? KS Toronado Jan 2021 #77

Yes, but we would also be helping ourselves. Aristus Jan 2021 #79

That's kind of what I'm wondering wryter2000 Jan 2021 #116

Him running again would screw things up for the republiCONs and help our side. IMHO KS Toronado Jan 2021 #167

Be careful. A lot of people thought that same thing in 2015 an 2016 StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #170

IMPOTUS II will be branded a double loser mcar Jan 2021 #55

Were McConnell not supporting Trump, Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #138

Yup StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #142

There is another point to consider. Happy Hoosier Jan 2021 #13

Not true dansolo Jan 2021 #46

HH said that once convicted, it takes a majority to disqualify them. That is correct. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #49

Yes, I said AFTER conviction for barring from office. Happy Hoosier Jan 2021 #58

He must be made not to run again. gldstwmn Jan 2021 #17

That's part of it, but if its stalled for any reason, it's over, while... TreasonousBastard Jan 2021 #20

It is not the only point Generic Brad Jan 2021 #84

That would be my hope as well... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #112

With Fox News and hate radio still around, Wednesdays Jan 2021 #122

Only if you care about the immediate safety of the nation over your tribe's interests misanthrope Jan 2021 #123

It doesn't accomplish that BainsBane Jan 2021 #125

Doesn't accomplish which? misanthrope Jan 2021 #129

Yes, I agree BainsBane Jan 2021 #135

immediate removal is not possible at this time stopdiggin Jan 2021 #136

the "Do Something Now!" crowd stopdiggin Jan 2021 #130

What is the aim? BainsBane Jan 2021 #134

Yes, that is the question. stopdiggin Jan 2021 #140

Send the articles right away BainsBane Jan 2021 #152

which of course DOESN'T remove Trump from the nuclear codes stopdiggin Jan 2021 #161

Doing something later is pointless BainsBane Jan 2021 #163

getting the codes away from him prior stopdiggin Jan 2021 #171

Holding the articles until the Democrats control the Senate is more than "gamesmanship." StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #141

I was not supporting this. (my first thoughts) BUT bluestarone Jan 2021 #148

Exactly! StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #149

an investigation is not the same as impeachment BainsBane Jan 2021 #154

No because I knew he wouldn't be convicted BainsBane Jan 2021 #151

At least you're consistent StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #155

I do support acting to get him out of office BainsBane Jan 2021 #157

But the issue is that there is no chance in hell he'll be removed from office before his term ends StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #159

I don't see any productive point to doing it after the fact BainsBane Jan 2021 #162

It's not "after the fact." StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #164

I guess we'll see BainsBane Jan 2021 #165

Yes. And then Democrats should vote to send the impeachment investigation to committee. servermsh Jan 2021 #2

Excellent Idea. Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #7

I agree padah513 Jan 2021 #3

Agree. This will put gldstwmn Jan 2021 #4

there are consequences if he is impeached UpInArms Jan 2021 #5

They need to vote separately on that last bit soothsayer Jan 2021 #14

Those consequences only attach if he is convicted and removed from office StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #26

And I guess if trump and company pull anything it could dramaticaaly increase the pressure to act captain queeg Jan 2021 #9

They will have the excuse... lame54 Jan 2021 #10

He'll already be gone when the Senate takes up impeachment, even if they send the articles today StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #29

Just pointing out it's not brilliant... lame54 Jan 2021 #35

"The more time goes by the less pressure to do the right thing" LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #105

I think it's just the opposite StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #108

Yes and much more evidence, details and info. will come to light Dream Girl Jan 2021 #118

Who in the Democratic Party wants to "ride it out?" mcar Jan 2021 #124

This is typical of a certain kind of binary thinking we often see here StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #133

I agree with you, "timing" is lost on people LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #147

⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Jan 2021 #11

And he can't run in 2024 IrishObserver Jan 2021 #12

They need to vote separately on barring him from future office soothsayer Jan 2021 #21

Impeachment does not bring that penalty. former9thward Jan 2021 #176

Is it even allowed,... to impeach after the term is over. magicarpet Jan 2021 #16

I've always heard it was soothsayer Jan 2021 #23

Yes, it's possible. And if it passes the Senate it would still stop Trump from running for federal highplainsdem Jan 2021 #24

I don't think he can be impeached after he leaves office. But he can be convicted StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #31

Seems doable,... magicarpet Jan 2021 #40

It's unclear qazplm135 Jan 2021 #150

They will impeach ... BEFORE .. his term is over. The Senate Trial can happen later uponit7771 Jan 2021 #168

Definitely Brilliant... Deacon Blue Jan 2021 #18

Definitely Brilliant... Deacon Blue Jan 2021 #19

Are you advocating that the House vote to impeach now but Pelosi withhold the Articles until Biden in2herbs Jan 2021 #25

Yes. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #38

Only disqualified from holding a future office? and not stripped of his salary and benefits? will in2herbs Jan 2021 #47

Right StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #52

I understand that a criminal complaint is separate and apart from impeachment I just put it out in2herbs Jan 2021 #59

Convicting him after he leaves office would allow them to disqualify him from holding office in the StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #63

Yes yes yes roscoeroscoe Jan 2021 #27

I think this is a master stroke. gibraltar72 Jan 2021 #28

What does the Constitution say about impeaching after leaving? superpatriotman Jan 2021 #30

Please be sure to separate "impeaching" from "convicting" StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #39

pragmatically speaking perhaps... jcgoldie Jan 2021 #32

Impeaching immediately is treating it like an emergency StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #43

I dont see how it can "die under McConnell" jcgoldie Jan 2021 #56

Mitch can dispose of the impeachment so that it's gone by the time Schumer takes control StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #60

How does he "dispose of" it without a vote? jcgoldie Jan 2021 #65

He can hold a vote on the 20th to dismiss the impeachment when they come back into session StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Jan 2021 #137

+ in2herbs Jan 2021 #64

Seems to me an open Case of Impeachment would void any self-pardon Fozzledick Jan 2021 #33

If McConnell won't reconvene until the 19th, then yes, it makes sense to hold off. tinrobot Jan 2021 #36

Trump is confident that he won't be removed C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #42

What's risky about it? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #44

10 days of Trump with unrestrained power. C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #45

Those 10 days of unrestrained power will happen anyway, no matter when the Articles are sent StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #50

25th is really what should be happening C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #51

True StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #53

Also gives Biden time to get his cabinet approved mcar Jan 2021 #54

As long as they impeach him this week, I'll trust they know the best road Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #61

Under a new administration, subpoenas will actually be honored and enforced again. mackdaddy Jan 2021 #62

He won't lose his pension or Secret Service, but can be disqualified from future office StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #66

Would he not loose his pardon power on these charges as soon as he is impeached? mackdaddy Jan 2021 #70

No. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #71

So what does the "except in cases of impeachment" actually stop the president from doing? mackdaddy Jan 2021 #82

It prevents a president from using his pardon power to prevent an impeachment StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #99

Yeah, what about that legal eagles? Ligyron Jan 2021 #120

It also gives time to censure and possibly expel the Congressional traitorous enablers Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #68

Huh? No it's not brilliant blue-wave Jan 2021 #69

Do you understand the difference between impeachment in the House and the trial in the Senate? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #73

I most certainly do blue-wave Jan 2021 #80

You don't seem to understand. But humor me. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #96

I actually prefer invoking the 25th amendment blue-wave Jan 2021 #115

+1 mdbl Jan 2021 #128

"Do nothing, wait and see" apologists don't survive to write the history Ponietz Jan 2021 #106

That's why Pelosi has set a time of Monday for removing Trump so that's a done deal the rest of it uponit7771 Jan 2021 #169

Exactly! Duppers Jan 2021 #173

Whichever gets Drumpf banned from public office works for me. BlueWavePsych Jan 2021 #74

When I heard Clyburn say that this morning I thought the same thing. They can still convict him.... George II Jan 2021 #75

I tend to agree. While seeing him impeached, convicted and PatrickforO Jan 2021 #76

I disagree MoonlitKnight Jan 2021 #83

I agree with you. Duppers Jan 2021 #172

McConnell won't be able to control what evidence can be presented eleny Jan 2021 #85

My reading of Section 2 LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #86

I'm very curious about this. MontanaMama Jan 2021 #95

It means he can't use his pardon power to prevent an impeachment StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #100

McConnell would quash this just like he did with Impeachment #1 Mr. Ected Jan 2021 #87

Sorry, my brain is spinning. Can tRump be impeached even if the 25th is invoked Cozmo Jan 2021 #88

Yes, he can be StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #101

Agree, you can't trust McConnell when his eyes are open, nor when they're closed bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #89

this llashram Jan 2021 #90

Only brilliant in part as Dumpy is a complete and total danger to this country judesedit Jan 2021 #91

IT WOULD BE A COUP nvme Jan 2021 #92

tRUMP isn't done F'ing things up. SayItLoud Jan 2021 #93

I have to disagree with a delay. Lonestarblue Jan 2021 #94

Schumer will not take over as Majority Leader on January 20 StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #102

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Klaralven Jan 2021 #98

KnR Hekate Jan 2021 #103

Yes it is a great idea.... Jon King Jan 2021 #109

Plus, wryter2000 Jan 2021 #110

Ah...the rope-a-dope trick Ponietz Jan 2021 #119

Um StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #121

Yeah, and if waiting 100 days makes any sense at all, Ponietz Jan 2021 #132

Agree kentuck Jan 2021 #139

I agree. roamer65 Jan 2021 #146

Counterpoint melman Jan 2021 #153

Thanks for your thoughtful and compelling response. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #156

Thanks for your thoughtful and compelling OP melman Jan 2021 #158

You're more than welcome StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #160

What is ironic about this is that Trump screwed the GA Republicans allowing Dems to get the Senate Quixote1818 Jan 2021 #166

I agree with Representative Ro Khanna... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #175

When did Khanna say that Pelosi would be wrong not to send the Articles to the Senate immediately StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #177

Just a little while ago on CNN, here's the link to the video: AntiFascist Jan 2021 #178

Thanks StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #179

I believe McConnell made it clear that he would start a trial on the 19th... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #181

Oh, yes. Let's base what we do on an assurance from Mitch McConnell StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #182

Waiting 100 days is too long... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #183

I doubt they will wait 100 days. I think that's just a number they threw out StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #184

If the House waited until the 20th or 21st then McConnell would not have control... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #185

McConnell will be in control at least until 1/23, perhaps even longer. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #186

I think time is of the essence no matter what... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #187

Why StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #188

I won't pretend to know what the people who are in charge understand... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #189

We will see. Neither of us have a crystal ball. IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #180