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LiberalLovinLug

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147. I agree with you, "timing" is lost on people

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:07 PM

Jan 2021

I've been around awhile, and if nothing else I've learned how in politics, a week is like a month, and a month might as well have been a year ago. We strike while the iron is hot.

And one of the reasons I support Democrats is that they allow a big tent, they don't all walk in lockstep. If you don't think there are any disagreements within the party on this, I guess that's your view.
Biden himself is described as luke warm to the idea entirely.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-08/biden-doesnt-take-position-on-trumps-possible-impeachment

Biden Calls Trump 'Unfit' but Doesn't Endorse Impeachment

President-elect Joe Biden says President Donald Trump isn’t “fit for the job,” but he repeatedly refused to endorse growing Democratic calls that he be impeached for a second time.

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The idea of waiting to send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate is brilliant [View all] StarfishSaver Jan 2021 OP

It doesn't get Trump out of office BainsBane Jan 2021 #1

McConnell said the Senate padah513 Jan 2021 #6

The let McConnell be responsible for Trump for the time in between. nt Gore1FL Jan 2021 #72

No! StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #78

So they are on record supporting sedition. Gore1FL Jan 2021 #111

Trump's not going to be removed no matter when they send the Articles StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #8

Yes, I know McConnell said that BainsBane Jan 2021 #15

Preventing him from running again sweetloukillbot Jan 2021 #22

There is another reason too: for the future, making it clear that inciting a coup against the US... CousinIT Jan 2021 #34

hey lou, does that pension and SS protection still get removed if panader0 Jan 2021 #41

No. The Former Presidents act denies benefits only to presidents who have been removed from office StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #48

The Senate can't impose as part of the penalty? LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #81

No, they can't StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #97

Can he be tried after leaving office? Wednesdays Jan 2021 #114

That's not settled law since it's never been done StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #117

Trump could care less about the pension. DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #143

True. He can raise that with a couple of emails from his marks StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #145

I don't care if he gets a pension and Secret Service protection. LisaM Jan 2021 #104

Yes. One of the reasons to hold a trial in the Senate StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #107

Agreed, 100,000% ShazzieB Jan 2021 #113

The way he is living/eating DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #144

I'm pretty sure he'll be prevented from running again, one way or another. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2021 #174

This won't take away his protection or pension StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #57

I'm hearing that could also happen via censure. ??? CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #127

No. Censure cannot do it StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #131

George Wallace couldn't run for governor of Alabama in 1966 misanthrope Jan 2021 #126

I agree. Aristus Jan 2021 #37

Interesting insight and true, but if "it relieves the Republicans" would we be helping them? KS Toronado Jan 2021 #77

Yes, but we would also be helping ourselves. Aristus Jan 2021 #79

That's kind of what I'm wondering wryter2000 Jan 2021 #116

Him running again would screw things up for the republiCONs and help our side. IMHO KS Toronado Jan 2021 #167

Be careful. A lot of people thought that same thing in 2015 an 2016 StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #170

IMPOTUS II will be branded a double loser mcar Jan 2021 #55

Were McConnell not supporting Trump, Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #138

Yup StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #142

There is another point to consider. Happy Hoosier Jan 2021 #13

Not true dansolo Jan 2021 #46

HH said that once convicted, it takes a majority to disqualify them. That is correct. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #49

Yes, I said AFTER conviction for barring from office. Happy Hoosier Jan 2021 #58

He must be made not to run again. gldstwmn Jan 2021 #17

That's part of it, but if its stalled for any reason, it's over, while... TreasonousBastard Jan 2021 #20

It is not the only point Generic Brad Jan 2021 #84

That would be my hope as well... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #112

With Fox News and hate radio still around, Wednesdays Jan 2021 #122

Only if you care about the immediate safety of the nation over your tribe's interests misanthrope Jan 2021 #123

It doesn't accomplish that BainsBane Jan 2021 #125

Doesn't accomplish which? misanthrope Jan 2021 #129

Yes, I agree BainsBane Jan 2021 #135

immediate removal is not possible at this time stopdiggin Jan 2021 #136

the "Do Something Now!" crowd stopdiggin Jan 2021 #130

What is the aim? BainsBane Jan 2021 #134

Yes, that is the question. stopdiggin Jan 2021 #140

Send the articles right away BainsBane Jan 2021 #152

which of course DOESN'T remove Trump from the nuclear codes stopdiggin Jan 2021 #161

Doing something later is pointless BainsBane Jan 2021 #163

getting the codes away from him prior stopdiggin Jan 2021 #171

Holding the articles until the Democrats control the Senate is more than "gamesmanship." StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #141

I was not supporting this. (my first thoughts) BUT bluestarone Jan 2021 #148

Exactly! StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #149

an investigation is not the same as impeachment BainsBane Jan 2021 #154

No because I knew he wouldn't be convicted BainsBane Jan 2021 #151

At least you're consistent StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #155

I do support acting to get him out of office BainsBane Jan 2021 #157

But the issue is that there is no chance in hell he'll be removed from office before his term ends StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #159

I don't see any productive point to doing it after the fact BainsBane Jan 2021 #162

It's not "after the fact." StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #164

I guess we'll see BainsBane Jan 2021 #165

Yes. And then Democrats should vote to send the impeachment investigation to committee. servermsh Jan 2021 #2

Excellent Idea. Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #7

I agree padah513 Jan 2021 #3

Agree. This will put gldstwmn Jan 2021 #4

there are consequences if he is impeached UpInArms Jan 2021 #5

They need to vote separately on that last bit soothsayer Jan 2021 #14

Those consequences only attach if he is convicted and removed from office StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #26

And I guess if trump and company pull anything it could dramaticaaly increase the pressure to act captain queeg Jan 2021 #9

They will have the excuse... lame54 Jan 2021 #10

He'll already be gone when the Senate takes up impeachment, even if they send the articles today StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #29

Just pointing out it's not brilliant... lame54 Jan 2021 #35

"The more time goes by the less pressure to do the right thing" LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #105

I think it's just the opposite StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #108

Yes and much more evidence, details and info. will come to light Dream Girl Jan 2021 #118

Who in the Democratic Party wants to "ride it out?" mcar Jan 2021 #124

This is typical of a certain kind of binary thinking we often see here StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #133

I agree with you, "timing" is lost on people LiberalLovinLug Jan 2021 #147

⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Jan 2021 #11

And he can't run in 2024 IrishObserver Jan 2021 #12

They need to vote separately on barring him from future office soothsayer Jan 2021 #21

Impeachment does not bring that penalty. former9thward Jan 2021 #176

Is it even allowed,... to impeach after the term is over. magicarpet Jan 2021 #16

I've always heard it was soothsayer Jan 2021 #23

Yes, it's possible. And if it passes the Senate it would still stop Trump from running for federal highplainsdem Jan 2021 #24

I don't think he can be impeached after he leaves office. But he can be convicted StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #31

Seems doable,... magicarpet Jan 2021 #40

It's unclear qazplm135 Jan 2021 #150

They will impeach ... BEFORE .. his term is over. The Senate Trial can happen later uponit7771 Jan 2021 #168

Definitely Brilliant... Deacon Blue Jan 2021 #18

Definitely Brilliant... Deacon Blue Jan 2021 #19

Are you advocating that the House vote to impeach now but Pelosi withhold the Articles until Biden in2herbs Jan 2021 #25

Yes. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #38

Only disqualified from holding a future office? and not stripped of his salary and benefits? will in2herbs Jan 2021 #47

Right StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #52

I understand that a criminal complaint is separate and apart from impeachment I just put it out in2herbs Jan 2021 #59

Convicting him after he leaves office would allow them to disqualify him from holding office in the StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #63

Yes yes yes roscoeroscoe Jan 2021 #27

I think this is a master stroke. gibraltar72 Jan 2021 #28

What does the Constitution say about impeaching after leaving? superpatriotman Jan 2021 #30

Please be sure to separate "impeaching" from "convicting" StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #39

pragmatically speaking perhaps... jcgoldie Jan 2021 #32

Impeaching immediately is treating it like an emergency StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #43

I dont see how it can "die under McConnell" jcgoldie Jan 2021 #56

Mitch can dispose of the impeachment so that it's gone by the time Schumer takes control StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #60

How does he "dispose of" it without a vote? jcgoldie Jan 2021 #65

He can hold a vote on the 20th to dismiss the impeachment when they come back into session StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Jan 2021 #137

+ in2herbs Jan 2021 #64

Seems to me an open Case of Impeachment would void any self-pardon Fozzledick Jan 2021 #33

If McConnell won't reconvene until the 19th, then yes, it makes sense to hold off. tinrobot Jan 2021 #36

Trump is confident that he won't be removed C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #42

What's risky about it? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #44

10 days of Trump with unrestrained power. C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #45

Those 10 days of unrestrained power will happen anyway, no matter when the Articles are sent StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #50

25th is really what should be happening C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #51

True StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #53

Also gives Biden time to get his cabinet approved mcar Jan 2021 #54

As long as they impeach him this week, I'll trust they know the best road Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #61

Under a new administration, subpoenas will actually be honored and enforced again. mackdaddy Jan 2021 #62

He won't lose his pension or Secret Service, but can be disqualified from future office StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #66

Would he not loose his pardon power on these charges as soon as he is impeached? mackdaddy Jan 2021 #70

No. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #71

So what does the "except in cases of impeachment" actually stop the president from doing? mackdaddy Jan 2021 #82

It prevents a president from using his pardon power to prevent an impeachment StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #99

Yeah, what about that legal eagles? Ligyron Jan 2021 #120

It also gives time to censure and possibly expel the Congressional traitorous enablers Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #68

Huh? No it's not brilliant blue-wave Jan 2021 #69

Do you understand the difference between impeachment in the House and the trial in the Senate? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #73

I most certainly do blue-wave Jan 2021 #80

You don't seem to understand. But humor me. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #96

I actually prefer invoking the 25th amendment blue-wave Jan 2021 #115

+1 mdbl Jan 2021 #128

"Do nothing, wait and see" apologists don't survive to write the history Ponietz Jan 2021 #106

That's why Pelosi has set a time of Monday for removing Trump so that's a done deal the rest of it uponit7771 Jan 2021 #169

Exactly! Duppers Jan 2021 #173

Whichever gets Drumpf banned from public office works for me. BlueWavePsych Jan 2021 #74

When I heard Clyburn say that this morning I thought the same thing. They can still convict him.... George II Jan 2021 #75

I tend to agree. While seeing him impeached, convicted and PatrickforO Jan 2021 #76

I disagree MoonlitKnight Jan 2021 #83

I agree with you. Duppers Jan 2021 #172

McConnell won't be able to control what evidence can be presented eleny Jan 2021 #85

My reading of Section 2 LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #86

I'm very curious about this. MontanaMama Jan 2021 #95

It means he can't use his pardon power to prevent an impeachment StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #100

McConnell would quash this just like he did with Impeachment #1 Mr. Ected Jan 2021 #87

Sorry, my brain is spinning. Can tRump be impeached even if the 25th is invoked Cozmo Jan 2021 #88

Yes, he can be StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #101

Agree, you can't trust McConnell when his eyes are open, nor when they're closed bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #89

this llashram Jan 2021 #90

Only brilliant in part as Dumpy is a complete and total danger to this country judesedit Jan 2021 #91

IT WOULD BE A COUP nvme Jan 2021 #92

tRUMP isn't done F'ing things up. SayItLoud Jan 2021 #93

I have to disagree with a delay. Lonestarblue Jan 2021 #94

Schumer will not take over as Majority Leader on January 20 StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #102

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Klaralven Jan 2021 #98

KnR Hekate Jan 2021 #103

Yes it is a great idea.... Jon King Jan 2021 #109

Plus, wryter2000 Jan 2021 #110

Ah...the rope-a-dope trick Ponietz Jan 2021 #119

Um StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #121

Yeah, and if waiting 100 days makes any sense at all, Ponietz Jan 2021 #132

Agree kentuck Jan 2021 #139

I agree. roamer65 Jan 2021 #146

Counterpoint melman Jan 2021 #153

Thanks for your thoughtful and compelling response. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #156

Thanks for your thoughtful and compelling OP melman Jan 2021 #158

You're more than welcome StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #160

What is ironic about this is that Trump screwed the GA Republicans allowing Dems to get the Senate Quixote1818 Jan 2021 #166

I agree with Representative Ro Khanna... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #175

When did Khanna say that Pelosi would be wrong not to send the Articles to the Senate immediately StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #177

Just a little while ago on CNN, here's the link to the video: AntiFascist Jan 2021 #178

Thanks StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #179

I believe McConnell made it clear that he would start a trial on the 19th... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #181

Oh, yes. Let's base what we do on an assurance from Mitch McConnell StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #182

Waiting 100 days is too long... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #183

I doubt they will wait 100 days. I think that's just a number they threw out StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #184

If the House waited until the 20th or 21st then McConnell would not have control... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #185

McConnell will be in control at least until 1/23, perhaps even longer. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #186

I think time is of the essence no matter what... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #187

Why StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #188

I won't pretend to know what the people who are in charge understand... AntiFascist Jan 2021 #189

We will see. Neither of us have a crystal ball. IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #180