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lumberjack_jeff

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72. By 1920 the arguments against were obviously considered archaic by most.
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 04:41 PM
Jan 2012

Nevertheless, here are comments against the bill in the Senate by US Senator JE Brown] on Wednesday, December 8, 1886.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Brown
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11114/11114-h/11114-h.htm

Mr. BROWN. Mr. President, the joint resolution introduced by my friend, the Senator from New Hampshire [Mr. BLAIR], proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, conferring the right to vote upon the women of the United States, is one of paramount importance, as it involves great questions far reaching in their tendency, which seriously affect the very pillars of our social fabric, which involve the peace and harmony of society, the unity of the family, and much of the future success of our Government. The question should therefore he met fairly and discussed with firmness, but with moderation and forbearance.

No one contributes anything valuable to the debate by the use of harsh terms, or by impugning motives, or by disparaging the arguments of the opposition. Where the prosperity of the race and the peace of society are involved, we should, on both sides, meet fairly the arguments of our respective opponents.

This question has been discussed a great deal outside of Congress, sometimes in bad temper and sometimes illogically and unprofitably, but the advocates of the proposed amendment and the opponents of it have each put forth, probably in their strongest form, the reasons and arguments which are considered by each as conclusive in favor of the cause they advocate. I do not expect to contribute much that is new on a subject that has been so often and so ably discussed; but what I have to say will be in the main a reproduction in substance of what I and others have already said on the subject, and which I think important enough to be placed upon the record in the argument of the case.

In connection with my friend, the honorable Senator from Missouri [Mr. COCKRELL], I have in a report set forth substantially the reasons and arguments which to my mind establish the fact that the proposed legislation would be injudicious and unwise, and I shall not hesitate to reiterate here such portions of what was then said as seem to me to be important.

I believe that the Creator intended that the sphere of the males and females of our race should be different, and that their duties and obligations, while they differ materially, are equally important and equally honorable, and that each sex is equally well qualified by natural endowments for the discharge of the important duties which pertain to each, and that each sex is equally competent to discharge those duties.

We find an abundance of evidence, both in the works of nature and in the Divine revelation, to establish the fact that the family properly regulated is the foundation and pillar of society, and is the most important of any other human institution.

In the Divine economy it is provided that the man shall be the head of the family, and shall take upon himself the solemn obligation of providing for and protecting the family.

Man, by reason of his physical strength, and his other endowments and faculties, is qualified for the discharge of those duties that require strength and ability to combat with the sterner realities and difficulties of life. The different classes of outdoor labor which require physical strength and endurance are by nature assigned to man, the head of the family, as part of his task. He discharges such labors as require greater physical endurance and strength than the female sex are usually found to possess.

It is not only his duty to provide for and protect the family, but as a member of the community it is also his duty to discharge the laborious and responsible obligations which the family owe to the State, and which obligations must be discharged by the head of the family, until the male members of the family have grown up to manhood and are able to aid in the discharge of those obligations, when it becomes their duty each in his turn to take charge of and rear a family, for which he is responsible.

Among other duties which the head of the family owes to the State, is military duty in time of war, which he, when able-bodied, is able to discharge, and which the female members of the family are unable to discharge.

He is also under obligation to discharge jury duty, and by himself or his representatives to perform his part of the labor necessary to construct and keep in order roads, bridges, streets, and all grades of public highways. And in this progressive age upon the male sex is devolved the duty of constructing and operating our railroads, and the engines and other rolling-stock with which they are operated; of building, equipping, and launching, shipping and other water craft of every character necessary for the transportation of passengers and freight upon our rivers, our lakes, and upon the high seas.

The labor in our fields, sowing, cultivating, and reaping crops must be discharged mainly by the male sex, as the female sex, for want of physical strength, are generally unable to discharge these duties. As it is the duty of the male sex to perform the obligations to the State, to society, and to the family, already mentioned, with numerous others that might be enumerated, it is also their duty to aid in the government of the State, which is simply a great aggregation of families. Society can not be preserved nor can the people be prosperous without good government. The government of our country is a government of the people, and it becomes necessary that the class of people upon whom the responsibility rests should assemble together and consider and discuss the great questions of governmental policy which from time to time are presented for their decision.

This often requires the assembling of caucuses in the night time, as well as public assemblages in the daytime. It is a laborious task, for which the male sex is infinitely better fitted than the female sex; and after proper consideration and discussion of the measures that may divide the country from time to time, the duty devolves upon those who are responsible for the government, at times and places to be fixed by law, to meet and by ballot to decide the great questions of government upon which the prosperity of the country depends.

These are some of the active and sterner duties of life to which the male sex is by nature better fitted than the female sex. If in carrying out the policy of the State on great measures adjudged vital such policy should lead to war, either foreign or domestic, it would seem to follow very naturally that those who have been responsible for the management of the State should be the parties to take the hazards and hardships of the struggle.

Here, again, man is better fitted by nature for the discharge of the duty—woman is unfit for it. So much for some of the duties imposed upon the male sex, for the discharge of which the Creator has endowed them with proper strength and faculties.

On the other hand, the Creator has assigned to woman very laborious and responsible duties, by no means less important than those imposed upon the male sex, though entirely different in their character. In the family she is a queen. She alone is fitted for the discharge of the sacred trust of wife and the endearing relation of mother.

While the man is contending with the sterner duties of life, the whole time of the noble, affectionate, and true woman is required in the discharge of the delicate and difficult duties assigned her in the family circle, in her church relations, and in the society where her lot is cast. When the husband returns home weary and worn in the discharge of the difficult and laborious task assigned him, he finds in the good wife solace and consolation, which is nowhere else afforded. If he is despondent and distressed, she cheers his heart with words of kindness; if he is sick or languishing, she soothes, comforts, and ministers to him as no one but an affectionate wife can do. If his burdens are onerous, she divides their weight by the exercise of her love and her sympathy.

But a still more important duty devolves upon the mother. After having brought into existence the offspring of the nuptial union, the children are dependent upon the mother as they are not upon any other human being. The trust is a most sacred, most responsible, and most important one. To watch over them in their infancy, and as the mind begins to expand to train, direct, and educate it in the paths of virtue and usefulness is the high trust assigned to the mother. She trains the twig as the tree should be inclined.

She molds the character. She educates the heart as well as the intellect, and she prepares the future man, now the boy, for honor or dishonor. Upon the manner in which she discharges her duty depends the fact whether he shall in future be a useful citizen or a burden to society. She inculcates lessons of patriotism, manliness, religion, and virtue, fitting the man by reason of his training to be an ornament to society, or dooming him by her neglect to a life of dishonor and shame. Society acts unwisely when it imposes upon her the duties that by common consent have always been assigned to the stronger and sterner sex, and the discharge of which causes her to neglect those sacred and all important duties to her children and to the society of which they are members.

In the church, by her piety, her charity, and her Christian purity, she not only aids society by a proper training of her own children, but the children of others, whom she encourages to come to the sacred altar, are taught to walk in the paths of rectitude, honor, and religion. In the Sunday-school room the good woman is a princess, and she exerts an influence which purifies and ennobles society, training the young in the truths of religion, making the Sunday-school the nursery of the church, and elevating society to the higher planes of pure religion, virtue, and patriotism. In the sick room and among the humble, the poor, and the suffering, the good woman, like an angel of light, cheers the hearts and revives the hopes of the poor, the suffering, and the despondent.

It would be a vain attempt to undertake to enumerate the refining, endearing, and ennobling influences exercised by the true woman in her relations to the family and to society when she occupies the sphere assigned to her by the laws of nature and the Divine inspiration, which are our surest guide for the present and the future life. But how can woman be expected to meet these heavy responsibilities, and to discharge these delicate and most important duties of wife, Christian, teacher, minister of mercy, friend of the suffering, and consoler of the despondent and needy, if we impose upon her the grosser, rougher, and harsher duties which nature has assigned to the male sex?

If the wife and the mother is required to leave the sacred precincts of home, and to attempt to do military duty when the state is in peril; or if she is to be required to leave her home from day to day in attendance upon the court as a juror, and to be shut up in the jury room from night to night with men who are strangers while a question of life or property is being discussed; if she is to attend political meetings, take part in political discussions, and mingle with the male sex at political gatherings; if she is to become an active politician; if she is to attend political caucuses at late hours of the night; if she is to take part in all the unsavory work that may be deemed necessary for the triumph of her party; and if on election day she is to leave her home and go upon the streets electioneering for votes for the candidates who receive her support, and mingling among the crowds of men who gather round the polls, she is to press her way through them to the precinct and deposit her ballot; if she is to take part in the corporate struggles of the city or town in which she resides, attend to the duties of his honor, the mayor, the councilman, or of policeman, to say nothing of the many other like obligations which are disagreeable even to the male sex, how is she, with all these heavy duties of citizen, politician, and officeholder resting upon her shoulders, to attend to the more sacred, delicate, and refining trust to which we have already referred, and for which she is peculiarly fitted by nature? If she is to discharge the duties last mentioned, how is she, in connection with them, to discharge the more refining, elevating, and ennobling duties of wife, mother, Christian, and friend, which are found in the sphere where nature has placed her? Who is to care for and train the children while she is absent in the discharge of these masculine duties?

If it were proper to reverse the order of nature and assign woman to the sterner duties devolved upon the male sex, and to attempt to assign man to the more refining, delicate, and ennobling duties of the woman, man would be found entirely incompetent to the discharge of the obligations which nature has devolved upon the gentler sex, and society must be greatly injured by the attempted change. But if we are told that the object of this movement is not to reverse this order of nature, but only to devolve upon the gentler sex a portion of the more rigorous duties imposed by nature upon the stronger sex, we reply that society must be injured, as the woman would not be able to discharge those duties so well, by reason of her want of physical strength, as the male, upon whom they are devolved, and to the extent that the duties are to be divided, the male would be infinitely less competent to discharge the delicate and sacred trusts which nature has assigned to the female.

But it has been said that the present law is unjust to woman; that she is often required to pay tax on the property she holds without being permitted to take part in framing or administering the laws by which her property is governed, and that she is taxed without representation. That is a great mistake.

It may be very doubtful whether the male or female sex in the present state of things has more influence in the administration of the affairs of the Government and the enactment of the laws by which we are governed.

While the woman does not discharge military duty, nor does she attend courts and serve on juries, nor does she labor on the public streets, bridges, or highways, nor does she engage actively and publicly in the discussion of political affairs, nor does she enter the crowded precincts of the ballot-box to deposit her suffrage, still the intelligent, cultivated, noble woman is a power behind the throne. All her influence is in favor of morality, justice, and fair dealing, all her efforts and her counsel are in favor of good government, wise and wholesome regulations, and a faithful administration of the laws. Such a woman, by her gentleness, kindness, and Christian bearing, impresses her views and her counsels upon her father, her husband, her brothers, her sons, and her other male friends who imperceptibly yield to her influence many times without even being conscious of it. She rules not with a rod of iron, but with the queenly scepter; she binds not with hooks of steel but with silken cords; she governs not by physical efforts, but by moral suasion and feminine purity and delicacy. Her dominion is one of love, not of arbitrary power.

We are satisfied, therefore, that the pure, cultivated, and pious ladies of this country now exercise a very powerful, but quiet, imperceptible influence in popular affairs, much greater than they can ever again exercise if female suffrage should be enacted and they should be compelled actively to take part in the affairs of state and the corruptions of party politics.

It would be a gratification, and we are always glad to see the ladies gratified, to many who have espoused the cause of woman suffrage if they could take active part in political affairs, and go to the polls and cast their votes alongside the male sex; but while this would be a gratification to a large number of very worthy and excellent ladies who take a different view of the question from that which we entertain, we feel that it would be a great cruelty to a much larger number of the cultivated, refined, delicate, and lovely women of this country who seek no such distinction, who would enjoy no such privilege, who would with woman-like delicacy shrink from the discharge of any such obligation, and who would sincerely regret that, what they consider the folly of the state, had imposed upon them any such unpleasant duties.

But should female suffrage be once established it would become an imperative necessity that the very large class, indeed much the largest class, of the women of this country of the character last described should yield, contrary to their inclinations and wishes, to the necessity which would compel them to engage in political strife. We apprehend no one who has properly considered this question will doubt if female suffrage should be established that the more ignorant and less refined portions of the female population of this country, to say nothing of the baser class of females, laying aside feminine delicacy and disregarding the sacred duties devolving upon them, to which we have already referred, would rush to the polls and take pleasure in the crowded association which the situation would compel, of the two sexes in political meetings, and at the ballot-box.

If all the baser and more ignorant portion of the female sex crowd to the polls and deposit their suffrage this compels the very large class of intelligent, virtuous, and refined females, including wives and mothers, who have much more important duties to perform, to leave their sacred labors at home, relinquishing for a time the God-given important trust which has been placed in their hands, to go contrary to their wishes to the polls and vote, to counteract the suffrage of the less worthy class of our female population. If they fail to do this the best interests of the country must suffer by a preponderance of ignorance and vice at the polls.

It is now a problem which perplexes the brain of the ablest statesmen to determine how we will best preserve our republican system as against the demoralizing influence of the large class of our present citizens and voters who by reason of their illiteracy are unable to read or write the ballot they cast.

Certainly no statesman who has carefully observed the situation would desire to add very largely to this burden of ignorance. But who does not apprehend the fact if universal female suffrage should be established that we will, especially in the Southern States, add a very large number to the voting population whose ignorance utterly disqualifies them for discharging the trust. If our colored population who were so recently slaves that even the males who are voters have had but little opportunity to educate themselves or to be educated, whose ignorance is now exciting the liveliest interest of our statesmen, are causes of serious apprehension, what is to be said in favor of adding to the voting population all the females of that race, who, on account of the situation in which they have been placed, have had much less opportunity to be educated than even the males of their own race.

We do not say it is their fault that they are not educated, but the fact is undeniable that they are grossly ignorant, with very few exceptions, and probably not one in a hundred of them could read and write the ballot that they would be authorized to cast. What says the statesman to the propriety of adding this immense mass of ignorance to the voting population of the Union in its present condition?

It may be said that their votes could be offset by the ballots of the educated and refined ladies of the white race in the same section; but who does not know that the ignorant female voters would be at the polls en masse, while the refined and educated, shrinking from public contact on such occasions, would remain at home and attend to their domestic and other important duties, leaving the country too often to the control of those who could afford under the circumstances to take part in the strifes of politics, and to come in contact with the unpleasant surroundings before they could reach the polls. Are we ready to expose the country to the demoralization, and our institutions to the strain, which would be placed upon them for the gratification of a minority of the virtuous and good of our female population at the expense of the mortification of a very large majority of the same sex?

It has been frequently urged with great earnestness by those who advocate woman suffrage that the ballot is necessary to the women to enable them to protect themselves in securing occupations, and to enable them to realize the same compensation for the like labor which is received by men. This argument is plausible, but upon a closer examination it will be found to possess but little real force. The price of labor is and must continue to be governed by the law of supply and demand, and the person who has the most physical strength to labor, and the most pursuits requiring such strength open for employment, will always command the higher prices.

Ladies make excellent teachers in public schools; many of them are every way the equals of their male competitors, and still they secure less wages than males. The reason is obvious. The number of ladies who offer themselves as teachers is much larger than the number of males who are willing to teach. The larger number of females offer to teach because other occupations are not open to them. The smaller number of males offer to teach because other more profitable occupations are open to most males who are competent to teach. The result is that the competition for positions of teachers to be filled by ladies is so great as to reduce the price: but as males can not be employed at that price, and are necessary in certain places in the schools, those seeking their services have to pay a higher rate for them.

Persons having a larger number of places open to them with fewer competitors command higher wages than those who have a smaller number of places open to them with more competitors. This is the law of society. It is the law of supply and demand, which can not be changed by legislation. Then it follows that the ballot can not enable those who have to compete with the larger number to command the same prices as those who compete with the smaller number in the labor market. As the Legislature has no power to regulate in practice that of which the advocates of woman suffrage complain, the ballot in the hands of females could not aid its regulation.

The ballot can not impart to the female physical strength which she does not possess, nor can it open to her pursuits which she does not have physical ability to engage in; and as long as she lacks the physical strength to compete with men in the different departments of labor, there will be more competition in her department, and she must necessarily receive less wages.

But it is claimed again, that females should have the ballot as a protection against the tyranny of bad husbands. This is also delusive. If the husband is brutal, arbitrary, or tyrannical, and tyrannizes over her at home, the ballot in her hands would be no protection against such injustice, but the husband who compelled her to conform to his wishes in other respects would also compel her to use the ballot, if she possessed it, as he might please to dictate. The ballot would therefore be of no assistance to the wife in such case, nor could it heal family strifes or dissensions. On the contrary, one of the gravest objections to placing the ballot in the hands of the female sex is that it would promote unhappiness and dissensions in the family circle. There should be unity and harmony in the family.

At present the man represents the family in meeting the demands of the law and of society upon the family. So far as the rougher, coarser duties are concerned, the man represents the family, and the individuality of the woman is not brought into prominence; but when the ballot is placed in the hands of woman her individuality is enlarged, and she is expected to answer for herself the demands of the law and of society on her individual account, and not as the weaker member of the family to answer by her husband. This naturally draws her out from the dignified and cultivated refinement of her womanly position, and brings her into a closer contact with the rougher elements of society, which tends to destroy that higher reverence and respect which her refinement and dignity in the relation of wife and mother have always inspired in those who approached her in her honorable and useful retirement.

When she becomes a voter she will be more or less of a politician, and will form political alliances or unite with political parties which will frequently be antagonistic to those to which her husband belongs. This will introduce into the family circle new elements of disagreement and discord which will frequently end in unhappy divisions, if not in separation or divorce. This must frequently occur when she becomes an active politician, identified with a party which is distasteful to her husband. On the other hand, if she unites with her husband in party associations and votes with him on all occasions so as not to disturb the harmony and happiness of the family, then the ballot is of no service as it simply duplicates the vote of the male on each side of the question and leaves the result the same.

Again, if the family is the unit of society, and the state is composed of an aggregation of families, then it is important to society that there be as many happy families as possible, and it becomes the duty of man and woman alike to unite in the holy relations of matrimony.

As this is the only legal and proper mode of rendering obedience to the early command to multiply and replenish the earth, whatever tends to discourage the holy relation of matrimony is in disobedience of this command, and any change which encourages such disobedience is violative of the Divine law, and can not result in advantage to the state. Before forming this relation it is the duty of young men who have to take upon themselves the responsibilities of providing for and protecting the family to select some profession or pursuit that is most congenial to their tastes, and in which they will be most likely to be successful; but this can not be permitted to the young ladies, or if permitted it can not be practically carried out after matrimony.

As it might frequently happen that the young man had selected one profession or pursuit, and the young lady another, the result would be that after marriage she must drop the profession or pursuit of her choice, and employ herself in the sacred duties of wife and mother at home, and in rearing, educating, and elevating the family, while the husband pursues the profession of his choice.

It may be said, however, that there is a class of young ladies who do not choose to marry, and who select professions or avocations and follow them for a livelihood. This is true, but this class, compared with the number who unite in matrimony with the husbands of their choice, is comparatively very small, and it is the duty of society to encourage the increase of marriages rather than of celibacy. If the larger number of females select pursuits or professions which require them to decline marriage, society to that extent is deprived of the advantage resulting from the increase of population by marriage.

It is said by those who have examined the question closely that the largest number of divorces is now found in the communities where the advocates of female suffrage are most numerous, and where the individuality of woman as related to her husband, which such a doctrine inculcates, is increased to the greatest extent.

If this be true, it is a strong plea in the interests of the family and of society against granting the petition of the advocates of woman suffrage.

After all, this is a local question, which properly belongs to the different States of the Union, each acting for itself, and to the Territories of the Union, when not acting in conflict with the laws of the United States.

The fact that a State adopts the rule of female suffrage neither increases nor diminishes its power in the Union, as the number of Representatives in Congress to which each State is entitled and the number of members in the electoral college appointed by each is determined by its aggregate population and not by the proportion of its voting population, so long as no race or class as defined by the Constitution is excluded from the exercise of the right of suffrage.

Now, Mr. President, I shall make no apology for adding to what I have said some extracts from an able and well-written volume, entitled "Letters from the Chimney Corner," written by a highly cultivated lady of Chicago. This gifted lady has discussed the question with so much clearness and force that I can make no mistake by substituting some of the thoughts taken from her book for anything I might add on this question. While discussing the relations of the sexes, and showing that neither sex is of itself a whole, a unit, and that each requires to be supplemented by the other before its true structural integrity can be achieved, she adds:

Now, everywhere throughout nature, to the male and female ideal, certain distinct powers and properties belong. The lines of demarkation are not always clear, not always straight lines: they are frequently wavering, shadowy, and difficult to follow, yet on the whole whatever physical strength, personal aggressiveness, the intellectual scope and vigor which manage vast material enterprises are emphasized, there the masculine ideal is present. On the other hand, wherever refinement, tenderness, delicacy, sprightliness, spiritual acumen, and force, are to the fore, there the feminine ideal is represented, and these terms will be found nearly enough for all practical purposes to represent the differing endowments of actual men and women. Different powers suggest different activities, and under the division of labor here indicated the control of the state, legislation, the power of the ballot, would seem to fall to the share of man. Nor does this decision carry with it any injustice, any robbery of just or natural right to woman.

In her hands is placed a moral and spiritual power far greater than the power of the ballot. In her married or reproductive state the forming and shaping of human souls in their most plastic period is her destiny. Nor do her labors or her responsibilities end with infancy or childhood. Throughout his entire course, from the cradle to the grave, man is ever under the moral and spiritual influence and control of woman. With this power goes a tremendous responsibility for its true management and use. If woman shall ever rise to the full height of her power and privileges in this direction, she will have enough of the world's work upon her hands without attempting legislation.

It may be argued that the possession of civil power confers dignity, and is of itself a re-enforcement of whatever natural power an individual may possess; but the dignity of womanhood, when it is fully understood and appreciated, needs no such re-enforcement, nor are the peculiar needs of woman such as the law can reach.

Whenever laws are needed for the protection of her legal status and rights, there has been found to be little difficulty in obtaining them by means of the votes of men; but the deeper and more vital needs of woman and of society are those which are outside altogether of the pale of the law, and which can only be reached by the moral forces lodged in the hands of woman herself, acting in an enlarged and general capacity.

For instance, whenever a man or woman has been wronged in marriage the law may indeed step in with a divorce, but does that divorce give back to either party the dream of love, the happy home, the prattle of children, and the sweet outlook for future years which were destroyed by that wrong? It is not a legal power which is needed in this case; it is a moral power which shall prevent the wrong, or, if committed, shall induce penitence, forgiveness, a purer life, and the healing of the wound.

This power has been lodged by the Creator in the hands of woman herself, and if she has not been rightly trained to use it there is no redress for her at the hands of the law. The law alone can never compel men to respect the chastity of woman. They must first recognize its value in themselves by living up to the high level of their duties as maidens, wives, and mothers; they must impress men with the beauty and sacredness of purity, and then whatever laws are necessary and available for its protection will be easily obtained, with a certainty, also, that they can be enforced, because the moral sentiments of men will be enlisted in their support.

Privileges bring responsibilities, and before women clamor for more work to do, it were better that they should attend more thoughtfully to the duties which lie all about them, in the home and social circle. Until society is cleansed of the moral foulness which infests it, which, as we have seen, lies beyond the reach of civil law, women have no call to go forth into wider fields, claiming to be therein the rightful and natural purifiers. Let them first make the home sweet and pure, and the streams which flow therefrom will sweeten and purify all the rest.

As between the power of the ballot and this moral force exerted by women there can not be an instant's doubt as to the choice. In natural refinement and elevation of character, the ideal woman stands a step above the ideal man. If she descends from this fortunate position to take part in the coarse scramble for material power, what chance will she have as against man's aggressive forces; and what can she possibly gain that she can not win more directly, more effectually, and with far more dignity and glory to herself by the exercise of her own womanly prerogatives? She has, under God, the formation and rearing of men in her own hands.

If they do not turn out in the end to be men who respect woman, who will protect and defend her in the exercise of every one of her God-given rights, it is because she has failed in her duty toward them; has not been taught to comprehend her own power and to use it to its best ends. For women to seek to control men by the power of suffrage is like David essaying the armor of Saul. What woman needs is her own sheepskin sling and her few smooth pebbles from the bed of the brook, and then let her go forth in the name of the Lord God of Hosts, and a victory as sure and decisive as that of the shepherd of Israel awaits her.

Again, in chapter 4, entitled "The Power of the Home," the author says, in substance: It is, perhaps, of minor consequence that women should have felt themselves emancipated from buttons and bread making; but that they should have learned to look in the least degree slightingly upon the great duties of women as lovers of husbands, as lovers of children, as the fountain and source of what is highest and purest and holiest, and not less of what is homely and comfortable and satisfying in the home, is a serious misfortune. Women can hardly be said to have lost, perhaps what they have so rarely in any age generally attained, that dignity which knows how to command, united with a sweetness which seems all the while to be complying, the power, supple and strong, which rescues the character of the ideal woman from the charge of weakness, and at the same time exhibits its utmost of grace and fascination.

But that of late years the gift has not been cultivated, has not, in fact, thrown out such natural off-shoots as gave grace and glory to some earlier social epochs, must be evident, it would seem, to any thoughtful observer.

If, instead of trying to grasp more material power, women would pursue those studies and investigations which tend to make them familiar with what science teaches concerning the influence of the mother and the home upon the child; of how completely the Creator in giving the genesis of the human race into the hands of woman has made her not only capable of, but responsible for, the regeneration of the world; if they would reflect that nature by making man the bond slave of his passions has put the lever into the hands of woman by which she can control him, and if they would learn to use these powers, not as bad women do for vile and selfish ends, but as the mothers of the race ought, for pure, holy, and redemptive purposes, then would the sphere of women be enlarged to some purpose; the atmosphere of the home would be purified and vitalized, and the work of redeeming man from his vices would be hopefully begun.

The following thoughts are also from the same source: Is this emancipation of woman, if that is the proper phrase for it, a final end, or only the means to an end? Are women to be as the outcome of it emancipated from their world-old sphere of marriage and motherhood, and control of the moral and spiritual destinies of the race, or are they to be emancipated, in order to the proper fulfillment of these functions? It would seem that most of the advanced women of the day would answer the first of these questions affirmatively. Women, I think it has been authoritatively stated, are to be emancipated in order that they may become fully developed human beings, something broader and stronger, something higher and finer, more delicate, more aesthetic, more generally rarefied and sublimated than the old-fashioned type of womanhood, the wife and the mother.

And the result of the woman movement seems more or less in a line thus far with this theoretic aim. Of advanced women a less proportion are inclined to marry than of the old-fashioned type; of those who do marry a great proportion are restless in marriage bonds or seek release from them, while of those who do remain in married life many bear no children, and few, indeed, become mothers of large families. The woman's vitality is concentrated in the brain and fructifies more in intellectual than in physical forms.

Now, women who do not marry are one of two things; either they belong to a class which we shrink from naming or they become old maids.

An old maid may be in herself a very useful and commendable person and a valuable member of society; many are all this. But she has still this sad drawback, she can not perpetuate herself; and since all history and observation go to prove that the great final end of creation, whatever it may be, can only be achieved through the perpetuity and increasing progress of the race, it follows that unmarried woman is not the most necessary, the indispensable type of woman. If there were no other class of females left upon the earth but the women who do not bear children, then the world would be a failure, creation would be nonplussed.

If, then, the movement for the emancipation of woman has for its final end the making of never so fine a quality, never so sublimated a sort of non-child-bearing women, it is an absurdity upon the face of it.

From the standpoint of the Chimney Corner it appears that too many even of the most gifted and liberal-minded of the leaders in the woman's rights movement have not yet discovered this flaw in their logic. They seek to individualize women, not seeing, apparently, that individualized women, old maids, and individualized men, old bachelors, though they may be useful in certain minor ways, are, after all, to speak with the relentlessness of science, fragmentary and abortive, so far as the great scheme of the universe is concerned, and often become, in addition, seriously detrimental to the right progress of society. The man and woman united in marriage form the unit of the race; they alone rightly wield the self-perpetuating power upon which all human progress depends; without which the race itself must perish, the universe become null.

Reaching this point of the argument, it becomes evident that while the development of the individual man or individual woman is no doubt of great importance, since, as Margaret Fuller has justly said, "there must be units before there can be union," it is chiefly so because of their relation to each other. Their character should be developed with a view to their future union with each other, and not to be independent of it. When the leaders of the woman's movement fully realize this, and shape their course accordingly, they will have made a great advance both in the value of their work and its claim upon public sympathy. Moreover, they will have reached a point from which it will be possible for them to investigate reform and idealize the relations existing between men and women.

Mr. President, it is no part of my purpose in any manner whatever to speak disrespectfully of the large number of intelligent ladies, sometimes called strong-minded, who are constantly going before the public, agitating this question of female suffrage. While some of them may, as is frequently charged, be courting notoriety, I have no doubt they are generally earnestly engaged in a work which, in their opinion, would better their condition and would do no injury to society.

In all this, however, I believe they are mistaken.

I think the mental and physical structure of the sexes, of itself, sufficiently demonstrates the fact that the sterner, more laborious, and more difficult duties of society are to be performed by the male sex; while the more delicate duties of life, which require less physical strength, and the proper training of youth, with the proper discharge of domestic duties, belong to the female sex. Nature has so arranged it that the male sex can not attend properly to the duties assigned by the law of nature to the female sex, and that the female sex can not discharge the more rigorous duties required of the male sex.

This movement is an attempt to reverse the very laws of our being, and to drag woman into an arena for which she is not suited, and to devolve upon her onerous duties which the Creator never intended that she should perform.

While the husband discharges the laborious and fatiguing duties of important official positions, and conducts political campaigns, and discharges the duties connected with the ballot-box, or while he bears arms in time of war, or discharges executive or judicial duties, or the duties of juryman, requiring close confinement and many times great mental fatigue; or while the husband in a different sphere of life discharges the laborious duties of the plantation, the workshop, or the machine shop, it devolves upon the wife to attend to the duties connected with home life, to care for infant children, and to train carefully and properly those who in the youthful period are further advanced towards maturity.

The woman with the infant at the breast is in no condition to plow on the farm, labor hard in the workshop, discharge the duties of a juryman, conduct causes as an advocate in court, preside in important cases as a judge, command armies as a general, or bear arms as a private. These duties, and others of like character, belong to the male sex; while the more important duties of home, to which I have already referred, devolve upon the female sex. We can neither reverse the physical nor the moral laws of our nature, and as this movement is an attempt to reverse these laws, and to devolve upon the female sex important and laborious duties for which they are not by nature physically competent, I am not prepared to support this bill.

My opinion is that a very large majority of the American people, yes, a large majority of the female sex, oppose it, and that they act wisely in doing so. I therefore protest against its passage.


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A serious yet more relevant question is why they decided to grant them that franchise in 1920. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #1
I suspect it was getting pretty hard to justify after slaves had been freed and MGKrebs Jan 2012 #11
That is not an answer to the question that I asked in my OP. I'm not beating anyone over the head. Zorra Jan 2012 #19
By 1920 the arguments against were obviously considered archaic by most. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #72
What a bunch of bullshit. CrispyQ Jan 2012 #155
Men "granted" women the franchise? Hardly! frazzled Jan 2012 #43
Uh, no. Women could not vote themselves the franchise ...... oldhippie Jan 2012 #116
Time to resurrect the term frazzled Jan 2012 #121
Poor analogy. Martin Luther King Jr and his adult supporters were voters. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #145
Agreed. frazzled has made a poor argument via a poor analogy TalkingDog Jan 2012 #150
Poor analogy: The Civil Rights Acts were not voted on by the electorate frazzled Jan 2012 #161
You're missing the point. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #168
You "men" would never have done it on their own frazzled Jan 2012 #171
"The powerful never cede power unless they have no other choice" Mimosa Jan 2012 #174
As a woman and a strong feminist, I disagree with you. yardwork Jan 2012 #206
Compel and coerce rather than 'convince' LanternWaste Jan 2012 #209
Because Harry Burn loved and respected his mother obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #58
Fascinating link. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #146
The Tenn. Leg wasn't too pleased, either obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #147
I do agree with that point treestar Jan 2012 #183
because they considered women more like property than like equals DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #2
Yes, look up the term "chattels". trof Jan 2012 #165
This is not a serious question itsrobert Jan 2012 #3
Why do you think the question in the OP is not serious? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #219
I recently watched the PBS series on Prohibition. no_hypocrisy Jan 2012 #4
That was inaccurate Charlemagne Jan 2012 #12
Thank you. nt Zorra Jan 2012 #23
It was the political confederacy zipplewrath Jan 2012 #25
Well stated Charlemagne Jan 2012 #37
I loved that series. Thanks for mentioning it. The temperance movement did play a role. slackmaster Jan 2012 #13
I would answer but my Delorean time machine is all out of plutonium so I can't go find out.. ddeclue Jan 2012 #5
I know a guy in Libya Charlemagne Jan 2012 #14
I think it's mostly just a historical legacy. MGKrebs Jan 2012 #6
Distinct possibilities, I believe. Thanks! Zorra Jan 2012 #38
That's what I would say Major Nikon Jan 2012 #157
Why did so many people, both men and women, accept the practice of slavery? drm604 Jan 2012 #7
That is not an answer to the question that I asked. If you start your own OP with your question, Zorra Jan 2012 #27
It is an answer. drm604 Jan 2012 #36
My request was for men to offer opinions on a subject. I am not attacking anyone. Zorra Jan 2012 #48
Perhaps men just didn't view women DocMac Jan 2012 #110
It's hard for me to believe that political leaders didn't consult with their significant others Major Nikon Jan 2012 #159
I doubt that men confided in their wives that way. DocMac Jan 2012 #228
is there a reason why you asked specifically for men's answers tnvoter Jan 2012 #172
lumberjack_jeff is on the right track salvorhardin Jan 2012 #8
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #17
Oh, those angry feminists! Did those in power granting freedom to slaves do away with redqueen Jan 2012 #44
Wow. demmiblue Jan 2012 #55
Right? "the gift giving group" redqueen Jan 2012 #59
Sounds like something straight from FR. demmiblue Jan 2012 #66
That's a nauseating post. But he knows that. Matariki Jan 2012 #201
I'm far more cynical than you on this one. redqueen Jan 2012 #208
"The Doldrums" were the nadir of women's rights obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #61
If you look at this timeline for women's suffrage by country, you will find that the US was not Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #9
Because that was always the way things were done previously slackmaster Jan 2012 #10
I would assume fear of losing the privileges they'd become accustomed to. qb Jan 2012 #15
There seems to be a lot of testeria in response to your question a simple pattern Jan 2012 #16
A very apt word, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2012 #26
testeria, Whisp Jan 2012 #40
LOL, nice one. redqueen Jan 2012 #49
I love it! Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #63
I approve! City Lights Jan 2012 #139
Yup. What DU needs is more pejoratives for people who disagree with you. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #148
Great coinage, fills a real need. bemildred Jan 2012 #175
^Duzy?^ Zorra Jan 2012 #190
(testeria isn't a new word, sorry) nt greyl Jan 2012 #227
It's a good question, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2012 #18
Thanks, MM, for this insightful response. Zorra Jan 2012 #60
Those are tough questions, and I'll be speculating, but: MineralMan Jan 2012 #85
Another interesting response, thanks! nt Zorra Jan 2012 #96
Women/Bible DryHump Jan 2012 #131
Disagree. It's strict literal interpretation that's the problem n/t arcane1 Jan 2012 #164
Perhaps. But the Quran has similar issues. MineralMan Jan 2012 #170
As does the Torah. Patriarchy is deeply entrenched in the big 3 religions nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #176
The library Charlemagne Jan 2012 #20
OK, you have several responses now. What's the upshot? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #21
That's going to take awhile to process, because Zorra Jan 2012 #198
Not just in the US, you know, and the reason at the core was what it is in places they Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #22
If you look at this of countries and when they granted women the right to vote RZM Jan 2012 #46
Yes, Wyoming led the way. Probably because it was frontier territory, MineralMan Jan 2012 #111
And the States right next to them did not. Was their territory so different? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #123
You know, I don't know. MineralMan Jan 2012 #169
You know many Native American tribes were matrilineal. Women owned the property riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #178
Because we could mdmc Jan 2012 #24
So that we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now The Straight Story Jan 2012 #28
Bad TSS! Bad! EOTE Jan 2012 #51
LOL! Trust me on this bro, the shit we're in would be soooo much deeper right now if Zorra Jan 2012 #64
Patriarchal Religion that has passed from generation to generation n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #29
oh wait, I'm not a man - can I still participate? n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #30
Yeah, but it's men's night. Women have to pay a cover. nt Zorra Jan 2012 #67
Because people can be jerks? RevStPatrick Jan 2012 #31
this is veganlush Jan 2012 #32
LOL! No, unless people consider a question posed in order to provoke thought Zorra Jan 2012 #69
... progressoid Jan 2012 #204
We are all captives of the culture we are born into. bemildred Jan 2012 #33
It's hard to escape when most people insist on maintaining the status quo. redqueen Jan 2012 #53
I think we have only begun to explore the possibilities. bemildred Jan 2012 #179
Exactly - cultural intertia tjwmason Jan 2012 #203
control rurallib Jan 2012 #34
It was considered rational at the time to only allow white men to vote arcane1 Jan 2012 #35
The United States, like all other countries in the 19th century, was patriarchal muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #39
That's along the lines of what I was thinking deutsey Jan 2012 #52
Not having lived in that period or the time previous to it, I am at a loss to answer your question Sherman A1 Jan 2012 #41
but the answer is veganlush Jan 2012 #42
The US was even more of a Patriarchy then, than it is now. mojowork_n Jan 2012 #45
Interesting Ineeda Jan 2012 #47
i think i might look to the church dembotoz Jan 2012 #50
People with power strive to keep it. Orangepeel Jan 2012 #54
I would like to disagree with everyone blaming religion or the church. redqueen Jan 2012 #56
And you are incorrect in doing so cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #65
I disagree. redqueen Jan 2012 #71
link please jorno67 Jan 2012 #74
Religion is a creation of mankind, is it not? dawg Jan 2012 #87
That's a good point, about virtues being expressed as well. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #112
Yes - Religion is the creation of man jorno67 Jan 2012 #120
Even if the misogyny came later, it is still the creation of man. dawg Jan 2012 #124
well there's where we differ... jorno67 Jan 2012 #133
I think we agree more than we disagree. dawg Jan 2012 #138
I agree jorno67 Jan 2012 #143
You're right. I didn't mean to imply that... redqueen Jan 2012 #126
fair enough! jorno67 Jan 2012 #135
It's not just christianity RainDog Jan 2012 #118
But did religions create the attitude in the dominant group? And by religions, Zorra Jan 2012 #82
I doubt it. redqueen Jan 2012 #89
Then logic would suggest that those who hold sexist opinions today could come up with Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #97
You'd have to ask them for their reasons. redqueen Jan 2012 #98
Religion was crafted at a certain point to codify these sexist 'laws' Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #122
Patriarchal religions were not the first religions? redqueen Jan 2012 #125
2,000 years of wrong-headed history WilliamPitt Jan 2012 #57
No. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #80
Meh - that doesn't show women were ever more influential than men in Christianity muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #95
What? Who was trying to show they had MORE influence? Union Scribe Jan 2012 #99
Men were dominant in Christianity right from the start until 1920 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #103
If you want to ignore actual scholarship Union Scribe Jan 2012 #113
familiarize yourself with the Gnostics DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #136
who were not the dominant form of Christianity, and were still male-dominated muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #142
Gnosticism clearly did not have dominant women as one of its dominant features DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #152
In 1790, New Jersey granted the vote to "all free inhabitants," including women. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #62
They thought women were emotionally inferior. Hysterical. dawg Jan 2012 #68
IMO Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #70
To maintain power. Simple as that. Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #73
Laura Ingram's grandmother had a strong following? snooper2 Jan 2012 #75
men were considered the "head of the family", hence in the position to grant rights (or deny them) DrDan Jan 2012 #76
I'm not a man, but I'm gonna venture an answer justiceischeap Jan 2012 #77
We got tired of the constant nagging? sledwreck13 Jan 2012 #78
Because it's a man's man's man's world MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #79
That is, of course, just the opinion of a self described sex machine. Zorra Jan 2012 #86
But it wouldn't be NOTHIN' without a woman or a girl. nt mistertrickster Jan 2012 #182
Short answer: history onenote Jan 2012 #81
Women who marched for suffrage were physically attacked RainDog Jan 2012 #88
Hmmm... Why do you wonder, did the police do nothing? midnight Jan 2012 #104
Activists were arrested (unconstitutionally) and abused. redqueen Jan 2012 #92
Thanks for the info onenote Jan 2012 #101
Alice Paul~what an amazing woman!! DearHeart Jan 2012 #195
Patriarchy is an ancient system and we still haven't really gotten rid of it. white_wolf Jan 2012 #83
Why ask just men? Union Scribe Jan 2012 #84
apparently yes Charlemagne Jan 2012 #90
Because I've only ever had this conversation, in any depth, with women, and Zorra Jan 2012 #93
"Men" didn't do shit. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #91
The OP makes me think of this video. frogmarch Jan 2012 #94
I loved that show Gregorian Jan 2012 #102
What is the history of women and the vote over two thousand years? Gregorian Jan 2012 #100
I think it's because society evolves right along with the brain and intelligence. Lint Head Jan 2012 #105
Thank you all so very much for all of these interesting responses! Zorra Jan 2012 #106
Because of their small penis size bigwillq Jan 2012 #107
Social and religious tradition killbotfactory Jan 2012 #108
The first things that comes to mind. PETRUS Jan 2012 #109
Because men at the time didn't think women were very smart...... oldhippie Jan 2012 #114
Why did Wyoming grant suffrage before the US did and refuse admittance unless it was recognized? REP Jan 2012 #115
+1 lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #151
(see .sig) REP Jan 2012 #153
Tradition mostly dmallind Jan 2012 #117
they just continued the way things were hfojvt Jan 2012 #119
I think the roots were there long before anyone could vote, I have no idea how women became TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #127
Because they liked beer Bok_Tukalo Jan 2012 #128
Damn right! greytdemocrat Jan 2012 #140
I think it it started as Roles, then became tradition and then became a way to retain power stevenleser Jan 2012 #129
coverture--something structural and thus implicit rather than explicit MisterP Jan 2012 #130
“The bicycle has done more for the emancipation of women than anything else in the world.” Fumesucker Jan 2012 #132
+1 Zorra Jan 2012 #196
Fear and insecurity. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #134
The simple truth. A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2012 #141
Power. n/t Fearless Jan 2012 #137
Interesting question. I guess because history is, in the long perspective, a story of progress. downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #144
I think that was just the way it had always been, and nobody thought to change it. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #149
Many women were against it. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #154
Duh. Women against equality. It seems that most anti-suffragist women were, naturally, RWers. Zorra Jan 2012 #193
"Duh"? So will a follow up thread ask women the same question? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #205
It appears that you are looking for a fight. Zorra Jan 2012 #210
That's the way their fathers, grandfathers, . . . . . had always done things. n/t jody Jan 2012 #156
I do not know. quaker bill Jan 2012 #158
Because women didn't demand it here until 1920. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #160
They'd been demanding it since 1848, at Seneca Falls frazzled Jan 2012 #162
Now, that's so unfair. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #181
I'm sorry, but what was I to think frazzled Jan 2012 #185
Actually, women in the US could vote in New Jersey for awhile until the early 1800's IRCC. nt mistertrickster Jan 2012 #186
You could just tell us what our answer is supposed to be Codeine Jan 2012 #163
Why the hostility? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #221
You couldn't have the 19th Amendment till you passed the 18th. Bruce Wayne Jan 2012 #166
Don't know for sure, but I'm feeling very guilty, thanks quinnox Jan 2012 #167
I'm a woman, but I have an opinion about it. Sparkly Jan 2012 #173
Lack of enlightenment, which thankfully gradually increased and still seems to. flvegan Jan 2012 #177
I'm not sure but maybe the same reason that France did not give women the vote until 1944 or Synicus Maximus Jan 2012 #180
Add Washington State as #5 - with an asterisk suffragette Jan 2012 #187
Among plain sexism, this is what I was told by my father who was old enough to Cleita Jan 2012 #184
Because men had brute force boston bean Jan 2012 #188
I've made a mistake-- I answered from an incorrect perspective. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #189
"Those who have gained compassion and love,... Zorra Jan 2012 #217
In history there is something called the "Sin Of Presentism." Yupster Jan 2012 #191
Because... WiffenPoof Jan 2012 #192
Because women are stupid and soft and emotional krispos42 Jan 2012 #194
Because most men are jerks lovemydog Jan 2012 #197
My thought? This is the definition of self-loathing. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #207
My thoughts? Yeh, some people act like ignorant jerks sometimes. Zorra Jan 2012 #214
thanks for the thoughtful reply lovemydog Jan 2012 #225
America was 98% farmers til 1900. ErikJ Jan 2012 #199
Woo-hoo! Another Men vs Women thread! Iggo Jan 2012 #200
It's not intended as such; please don't try to make it that way. Zorra Jan 2012 #215
I'm not making it that way. They get that way all by themselves. (n/t) Iggo Jan 2012 #218
Uh-oh, black magic! No prob, bro! Close your eyes, click your heels together 3 times, and... Zorra Jan 2012 #220
The issue of bigotry has to be addressed in order to be alleviated. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #222
This woman thinks it was because corporate America feared that women would be harder to control McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #202
Religious views played a role... spin Jan 2012 #211
How in gods name am I supposed to know what the fuck SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #212
Please, see post #214. Zorra Jan 2012 #216
Holy shit. Discussing sexism in our society is no more man bashing ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #223
Because power over another is hard to give up superpatriotman Jan 2012 #213
Wow, a simple question has inspired a lot of anger. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #224
The new word describing this phenomenon is Zorra Jan 2012 #229
I did not live in that time. I did not grow up in that time. I am not a historian. HuckleB Jan 2012 #226
. snagglepuss Jan 2012 #230
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