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In reply to the discussion: Matt Stoller rebuts his critics [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)37. Really?
You illustrate precisely why it is important to read the entire article...
"Perhaps its worthy to argue that lives saved by presumed expanded health care coverage in 2013 are worth the lives lost in the drug war. It is potentially a tough calculation (depending on whether you think coverage will in fact expand in 2013)"...
Then, his next paragraph begins with this:
"But this obscures the real question, of why Paul disdains the Fed..."
In other words, perhaps this is worthy but this is why I think it isn't.
"Perhaps its worthy to argue that lives saved by presumed expanded health care coverage in 2013 are worth the lives lost in the drug war. It is potentially a tough calculation (depending on whether you think coverage will in fact expand in 2013)"...
Then, his next paragraph begins with this:
"But this obscures the real question, of why Paul disdains the Fed..."
In other words, perhaps this is worthy but this is why I think it isn't.
Stoller's argument is bullshit!
But this obscures the real question, of why Paul disdains the Fed (and implicitly, why liberals do not), and the relationship between the Federal Reserve and American empire. If you go back and look at some of libertarian allies, like Fox Newss Judge Napolitano, they will answer that question for you. Napolitano hates, absolutely hates, Abraham Lincoln. He sometimes slyly refers to Lincoln as Americas first dictator. Libertarians also detest Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
What connects all three of these Presidents is one thing big ass wars, and specifically, war financing. If you think todays deficits are bad, well, Abraham Lincoln financed the Civil War pretty much entirely by money printing and debt creation, taking America off the gold standard. He oversaw the founding of the nations first national financial regulator, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which chartered national banks and forced them to hold government debt to back currency they issued. The dollar then became the national currency, and Lincoln didnt even back those dollars by gold (and gold is written into the Constitution). This financing of the Civil War was upheld in a series of cases over the Legal Tender Act of 1862. Prior to Lincoln, it was these United States. Afterwards, it was the United States. Lincoln fought the Civil War and centralized authority in the Federal government to do it, freeing slaves and transforming America into one nation.
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This is why Ron Paul can critique the Federal Reserve and American empire, and why liberals have essentially no answer to his ideas, arguing instead over Paul having character defects. Ron Pauls stance should be seen as a challenge to better create a coherent structural critique of the American political order. Its quite obvious that there isnt one coming from the left, otherwise the figure challenging the war on drugs and American empire wouldnt be in the Republican primary as the libertarian candidate. To get there, liberals must grapple with big finance and war, two topics that are difficult to handle in any but a glib manner that separates us from our actual traditional and problematic affinity for both. War financing has a specific tradition in American culture, but there is no guarantee war financing must continue the way it has. And theres no reason to assume that centralized power will act in a more just manner these days, that we will see continuity with the historical experience of the New Deal and Civil Rights Era. The liberal alliance with the mechanics of mass mobilizing warfare, which should be pretty obvious when seen in this light, is deep-rooted.
What connects all three of these Presidents is one thing big ass wars, and specifically, war financing. If you think todays deficits are bad, well, Abraham Lincoln financed the Civil War pretty much entirely by money printing and debt creation, taking America off the gold standard. He oversaw the founding of the nations first national financial regulator, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which chartered national banks and forced them to hold government debt to back currency they issued. The dollar then became the national currency, and Lincoln didnt even back those dollars by gold (and gold is written into the Constitution). This financing of the Civil War was upheld in a series of cases over the Legal Tender Act of 1862. Prior to Lincoln, it was these United States. Afterwards, it was the United States. Lincoln fought the Civil War and centralized authority in the Federal government to do it, freeing slaves and transforming America into one nation.
<...>
This is why Ron Paul can critique the Federal Reserve and American empire, and why liberals have essentially no answer to his ideas, arguing instead over Paul having character defects. Ron Pauls stance should be seen as a challenge to better create a coherent structural critique of the American political order. Its quite obvious that there isnt one coming from the left, otherwise the figure challenging the war on drugs and American empire wouldnt be in the Republican primary as the libertarian candidate. To get there, liberals must grapple with big finance and war, two topics that are difficult to handle in any but a glib manner that separates us from our actual traditional and problematic affinity for both. War financing has a specific tradition in American culture, but there is no guarantee war financing must continue the way it has. And theres no reason to assume that centralized power will act in a more just manner these days, that we will see continuity with the historical experience of the New Deal and Civil Rights Era. The liberal alliance with the mechanics of mass mobilizing warfare, which should be pretty obvious when seen in this light, is deep-rooted.
Liberal economists have dismantled Paul's loony economic theories. It's completely disingenuous to claim that no liberals have. As Krugman says (paraphrase), they keep insisting that they're right despite the evidence to the contrary.
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Stoller has now teamed up with the Paul people - he is forever tainted.
banned from Kos
Jan 2012
#16
Great. Just in case anyone missed it, the correct link to the article by Stoller...
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#20
Actually, you linked to your link of Stoller's original article. Jack Riddler linked to
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#13
Stoller & GG are right about the illiberal ends of the modern economy and state finance. Krugman
leveymg
Jan 2012
#4
Actually, he is defining a hypothetical dilemma and then elaborates in the following paragraphs...
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#26
He presents the hypothetical dilemma and then dismisses it as immaterial...
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#32
You illustrate precisely why it is important to read the entire article...
Luminous Animal
Jan 2012
#34
Past a point, "failed policies, including the lack of oversight" is structural failure.
leveymg
Jan 2012
#17
So the President agrees with Paul on marriage equality. And they state the same religious
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2012
#31
they are consumed with destroying the Federal Reserve and Ron Paul is their ally
banned from Kos
Jan 2012
#23
I just came across Stoller's stupid screed this am and literally laughed out loud.
jefferson_dem
Jan 2012
#35
I wish you all would laugh out loud at Paul and the President on marriage equality on
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2012
#39