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BlueCaliDem

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190. Ask yourself . . . would Al Gore have made a better president than GWBush?

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:29 PM

Oct 2012

Because that's all that matters - who's in the WH and in control of Congress. We wouldn't have a Justice Roberts or Scalia. We'd have Progressives on the highest court that is set to rule on Affirmative Action, the 1965 Voter Rights Law, and Women's Rights. In addition, the meme that "there's no difference between Gore and Bush" gave us Citizens United. Brilliant!

All that other you're concerned about means squat if the Dems are so disillusioned and unenthusiastic that they just simply NOT vote. Unlike RepubLemmings, it doesn't take much for a Democrat to sit out an election, as we've seen in 2010.

I'm not a self-defeatist. I want Democrats to WIN and I'm not interested in what the Ultra-Left are whining about as much as I'm not interested in what TeaBaggers whine about. To me, those groups are two sides of the same coin. I'm a Democrat first and foremost, and a pragmatic progressive, and I will NOT do anything to jeopardize Democrats from winning. I'll save my whining for after the elections. That's the smarter thing to do.

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It's time for this destructive meme about shutting up during elections to stop, [View all] woo me with science Oct 2012 OP

whatever Hamlette Oct 2012 #1

+1 eggplant Oct 2012 #29

"accomplishes nothing". Since when do comments on a comment board need to "accomplish" ANYthing? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #32

The comments DO accomplish one thing. They show the reaction. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #52

Well said. davidthegnome Oct 2012 #233

this is sad roguevalley Oct 2012 #251

"you don't have to praise him for the debate..." quinnox Oct 2012 #49

silence is bs. to say discussion is treason is bs. no one is roguevalley Oct 2012 #247

Remember how Gingrich and Rush respond to tough questions? twins.fan Oct 2012 #2

"If not now, when?" Hydra Oct 2012 #3

Great post, and great example. woo me with science Oct 2012 #12

Spooky stuff going on here Hydra Oct 2012 #17

And do you remember that Bush "won" TWICE? BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #24

Ummm...what? Hydra Oct 2012 #36

+10 RC Oct 2012 #82

The elections were close enough to STEAL. Fact remains, GWBush won by cheating, but he won. BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #89

Umm, not really Hydra Oct 2012 #96

They didn't *block* primarying Blanche Lincoln Art_from_Ark Oct 2012 #216

Yes. nt freedom fighter jh Oct 2012 #238

Never run 'Republican-lite' is the lesson I learned. appal_jack Oct 2012 #140

Ask yourself . . . would Al Gore have made a better president than GWBush? BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #190

+1! robinlynne Oct 2012 #201

And yet Obama is not protecting our elections. If there is anything to learn from "bush stole 2 robinlynne Oct 2012 #200

You can't speak bad of the candidate during an election! A Simple Game Oct 2012 #37

That's my POV too Hydra Oct 2012 #48

I don't really believe this forum helps Democrats get elected, A Simple Game Oct 2012 #59

I tend to agree with you Hydra Oct 2012 #69

More like that may be coming. freedom fighter jh Oct 2012 #239

Excellent post. The very BEST time to speak out on issues is during Elections. Whoever sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #56

The best time to speak up is ALL THE TIME. Zalatix Oct 2012 #70

Great post. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2012 #80

+1 twins.fan Oct 2012 #151

thanks, but I won't be shutting up my support for President Obama. n/t Whisp Oct 2012 #4

Nobody asked you to, Occulus Oct 2012 #66

we only want people who do nothing but campaign against democrats to shut up during elections. dionysus Oct 2012 #5

you should settle this in that other disaster of a thread bigtree Oct 2012 #6

+1 leftstreet Oct 2012 #7

ON DU people can be made to shut up treestar Oct 2012 #8

People need to accept that Dem policy has shifted right n/t leftstreet Oct 2012 #9

You think you are changing any minds here? great white snark Oct 2012 #15

Huh? leftstreet Oct 2012 #18

it is? 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #31

What I think snark is saying is that electing Democrats in important, RC Oct 2012 #85

How's that working out? leftstreet Oct 2012 #105

The Statement of Purpose also mentions Liberals and progressives. RC Oct 2012 #116

How does this forum help get Democrats elected? A Simple Game Oct 2012 #43

I have no idea leftstreet Oct 2012 #47

That is not what the rules say, it is how the rules are interrupted by the purity crowd. RC Oct 2012 #87

Defending the New Deal used to be normal for Democrats eridani Oct 2012 #101

+1 leftstreet Oct 2012 #106

We got lots and lots of Dems elected in 2008 Doctor_J Oct 2012 #146

What we got was rudycantfail Oct 2012 #167

Yep Doctor_J Oct 2012 #177

They will have to drag my fucking dead body to the right Autumn Oct 2012 #16

From the Rules section.... YoungDemCA Oct 2012 #13

Yes, it says "AND" Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #25

And when the "Democrat" does not support progressive goals? RC Oct 2012 #88

"does not support progressive goals" Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #99

+1 As progressives we do best when we organize around goals KurtNYC Oct 2012 #28

Do you know how we advertise ourselves? A Simple Game Oct 2012 #50

This is why I think the Troll Patrol is so active. RC Oct 2012 #92

Telling Democrats who read political forums, what the people want and expect IS sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #63

Well Rmoney is hardly going to listen treestar Oct 2012 #71

How is pushing Democratic principles, pushing Democratic Issues, 'helping Romney'? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #72

That's not what he's doing treestar Oct 2012 #102

Nonsense. woo me with science Oct 2012 #112

If this forum serves any useful function tama Oct 2012 #97

That is not true treestar Oct 2012 #103

See post #13 tama Oct 2012 #113

Read the TOS treestar Oct 2012 #124

As you know, tama Oct 2012 #128

Eh? treestar Oct 2012 #174

If tama Oct 2012 #199

No, I am against non-Democrats being against Democratic candidates treestar Oct 2012 #221

IMHO tama Oct 2012 #235

Do you think that wins elections? treestar Oct 2012 #257

Again that pernicious, absolutely ridiculous myth woo me with science Oct 2012 #129

If you want to support the Democrats treestar Oct 2012 #176

They're not listening. BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #180

yes, everyone on here who does not agree with treestar 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #203

Uncalled for treestar Oct 2012 #222

hell, you've got the TOS 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #230

Hello the TOS does not tombstone treestar Oct 2012 #254

again you invite another member to leave 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #261

please, everyone here supports the dem candidates 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #202

DU has gotten some attention treestar Oct 2012 #220

and it must have been some game changer 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #231

Keith Olberman mentioned some stuff on DU treestar Oct 2012 #256

and changes nothing. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #260

And that attracts a LOT BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #268

Glenn Greenwald referred to MineralMan as a "simple-minded Manichean." WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #269

"This board is for Democrats" enlightenment Oct 2012 #155

Look at the TOS part about supporting Democrats treestar Oct 2012 #170

'In times like these people have to watch what they say and watch what they do'. KG Oct 2012 #10

Four days of screaming bloody murder at President Obama lunatica Oct 2012 #11

Accompanied by four days of ridiculously hyperbolic descriptions (e.g., "screaming bloody murder"). WinkyDink Oct 2012 #35

Except I haven't been doing it for 4 days lunatica Oct 2012 #38

Good comeback! eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #181

+1,000!!! Zalatix Oct 2012 #206

I can scream bloody murder at him but still support him. gateley Oct 2012 #184

Remember, dissent is unpatriotic! Zalatix Oct 2012 #207

You're whining? ProSense Oct 2012 #14

i'm not willing to give it to romney shanti Oct 2012 #19

I think some ascribe more sway to DU than it actually deserves. As if posting something here might cherokeeprogressive Oct 2012 #20

Bingo. KurtNYC Oct 2012 #40

" creepy, paranoid and cult-ish behavior".... bvar22 Oct 2012 #84

Absolutely, "Herd of Cats"! RC Oct 2012 #95

yep 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #208

No thanks. Primary time is over so be decisive for once and either elect or defect. great white snark Oct 2012 #21

lol, I like that, "elect or defect" quinnox Oct 2012 #46

Yes, and as Democrats we should be very decisive about Democratic principles and issues. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #83

Agreed. But some people just don't like President Obama BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #183

Blind unquestioning allegiance... 99Forever Oct 2012 #22

Amen... daleanime Oct 2012 #27

Is it really? tama Oct 2012 #86

How President Obama and Mitt Romney compare on preserving Social Security for America�s seniors ProSense Oct 2012 #23

I had heard that wrt to social security rudycantfail Oct 2012 #182

thank you 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #26

It's only "extremely disturbing".... jberryhill Oct 2012 #30

A corporate talking point, and utterly false. woo me with science Oct 2012 #51

Very revealing post. So now it's 'so far out there' to support Democratic principles and issues sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #127

Obama is not gutting social security jberryhill Oct 2012 #130

And 'you and your cohorts' are afraid to let people ask him to clearly explain some of the sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #149

Who said you don't have a right to do whatever you want? jberryhill Oct 2012 #159

Are you aware of the title of the OP you are commenting in? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #160

You were not appointed as the spokesperson for "most DU dems" jberryhill Oct 2012 #214

And what has your comment got to do what I stated? sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #219

+1 n/t zappaman Oct 2012 #267

Thousands of lobbyists are in DC Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #33

Thank you. This is a great post. woo me with science Oct 2012 #58

Pushing the party to represent us strengthens electability. woo me with science Oct 2012 #34

This is what the appeasers, DINO's "centrists", and apologists won't admit Doctor_J Oct 2012 #147

So, Woo, are you going to vote for President Obama and straight Democratic ticket BlueCaliDem Oct 2012 #185

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #225

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #39

There's a difference between "speaking out" & the obscenity filled foaming at the mouth common on DU Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #41

Not to mention Glitterati Oct 2012 #42

Why don't more people get that? RC Oct 2012 #100

Because they're too damned busy FIGHTING Glitterati Oct 2012 #104

Read? Context? RC Oct 2012 #118

ROFL Glitterati Oct 2012 #143

Another path to disaster. hay rick Oct 2012 #44

People should feel free to discuss the issues. But I'm saving some things for after the election. dawg Oct 2012 #45

"People get defensive about their candidate and will not listen to any criticism of his positions" sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #90

Fool me once... :) tama Oct 2012 #139

Now is not the time to point this out. After Thanksgiving we can talk about this topic. Bucky Oct 2012 #53

could you pencil us in? 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #204

Why not just use other social media, such as Facebook, Twitter, etc.? ZombieHorde Oct 2012 #54

Oh just put a sock in it for four weeks. Nt. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #55

In a word. No. 99Forever Oct 2012 #57

If you attacked Republicans with the same fervor Son of Gob Oct 2012 #60

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #111

There are no Republicans here to attack tama Oct 2012 #121

+1 Spot on. FSogol Oct 2012 #152

I don't really CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #61

Interesting. The corporate one percent foment and use the tribe mentality woo me with science Oct 2012 #73

This CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #74

+2 justabob Oct 2012 #77

"Our social alliances are the most powerful behavioral shapers there are" tama Oct 2012 #131

DURec for Post #73 by woo me with science bvar22 Oct 2012 #246

If we had half that attitude treestar Oct 2012 #98

Aww... tama Oct 2012 #142

Its about being rational as most people see it treestar Oct 2012 #173

It is the reponsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #62

Wrote a song about this kind of post. Wanna hear it? Here goes: AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #64

I definately relate more to the kids being creative and making noise Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #68

"Help, help. I'm being repressed." AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #107

Nah, clowns don't bother me n/t Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #138

lol n/t 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #205

More pots&pans, enjoy! tama Oct 2012 #144

grow up already fascisthunter Oct 2012 #242

Let's play Devil's Advocate for a second, shall we?... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #65

I am making an argument woo me with science Oct 2012 #75

Okay, you've made your "vociferous response" ad nauseum... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #133

"Hell no!" along with a good dose of civic education woo me with science Oct 2012 #135

Good grief! Nobody's telling you to "shut up"!... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #179

wmws has told no one to "shut up" -- quite the opposite KurtNYC Oct 2012 #172

It is you who are "clearly" mistaken. Quite a few people in this thread believe,.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #186

Please point me to the post where WMWS tells YOU to 'shut up' because I can't find it here. KurtNYC Oct 2012 #194

Oh, the irony. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #237

Du rec. Nt xchrom Oct 2012 #67

No one is being asked to shut up. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #76

It's not so much about "shut up during elections," though some use that. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #78

I miss unrec. n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #79

While I agree with you generally in spirit, the rub is that Butterbean Oct 2012 #81

Skinner had to address this at one point(or more than one? I only saw one of them) Hydra Oct 2012 #91

Good grief ProSense Oct 2012 #94

*lol* Hydra Oct 2012 #109

Yeah, I've ProSense Oct 2012 #114

Goodness Hydra Oct 2012 #119

I disagree ProSense Oct 2012 #120

I don't feel the need to post, since there are plenty of examples in this thread Hydra Oct 2012 #122

And yet you're still expressing your opinion. ProSense Oct 2012 #125

Oh, no, it's predictable Hydra Oct 2012 #126

Oh my, ProSense Oct 2012 #136

IMO, you are one of them who HATE any critic on Obama. People like you, IMO, are as bad.... Logical Oct 2012 #161

"Hate"? Disagreeing with someone is not "hate" ProSense Oct 2012 #163

You seriously are not open minded about Obama. Hurts the cause when you defend everything. n-t Logical Oct 2012 #165

Nonsense ProSense Oct 2012 #168

Scuse me, but... davidthegnome Oct 2012 #249

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #117

It's hysterical.. stillcool Oct 2012 #93

Only the number of Tombstones Hydra Oct 2012 #110

careful someone will think you are silencing them DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #171

... SidDithers Oct 2012 #108

HERE! HERE! Th1onein Oct 2012 #115

No one on here is shutting you up Progressive dog Oct 2012 #123

+1. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #134

That's quite a misrepresentation of what I have said here. woo me with science Oct 2012 #137

Hmm. blue neen Oct 2012 #141

^Post of the Day^ Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #145

Ironic post of the day dreamnightwind Oct 2012 #154

No, that's ironic ProSense Oct 2012 #158

Entirely irrelevant to my post dreamnightwind Oct 2012 #264

The President has committed himself to cutting social security me b zola Oct 2012 #192

Really? ProSense Oct 2012 #193

Simpson Bowles. Perhaps you have heard of it. me b zola Oct 2012 #195

"join the AARP...", you mean this one with Bush on the cover of their magazine? just1voice Oct 2012 #211

Eight years of Cheney/Bush really has poisoned the concept of what liberty is in this nation. Kurovski Oct 2012 #132

If we shut up, the prez will once again lurch to the right Doctor_J Oct 2012 #148

This is just unspeakably sad. Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #150

Well said. FSogol Oct 2012 #153

Thank you for this post dreamnightwind Oct 2012 #156

My two cents Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #157

+1, people here want only "Obama is Perfect" posts. I am sick of it. Logical Oct 2012 #162

Bullshit! n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #164

LOL, you again. What a shock! n-t Logical Oct 2012 #166

I'm "sick" of "Obama is perfect" ProSense Oct 2012 #169

makes you wonder DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #188

I just no longer give a fuck what people like that think Marrah_G Oct 2012 #175

LOL, angry much? What does age have to do with it? n-t Logical Oct 2012 #178

Nope not angry Marrah_G Oct 2012 #196

Well, I think it's important to expose it explicitly woo me with science Oct 2012 #189

Our power and our responsibility is in our voices....*especially* during elections. Exactly nt Vincardog Oct 2012 #187

There are two camps: ProSense Oct 2012 #191

There are three camps: Vincardog Oct 2012 #197

One camp believes ProSense Oct 2012 #198

Meh, not "any criticism" treestar Oct 2012 #223

Exactly. Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #252

Rec'd, �the time is always right to do the right thing� - MLK just1voice Oct 2012 #209

Did not see anything about Axelrod telling you to shut up? faith woos science Oct 2012 #210

I'm eager to know what Axelrod can do to me if I don't shut up. Zalatix Oct 2012 #212

First he would have to say it ;) faith woos science Oct 2012 #213

Welcome to the DU! littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #217

Thanks faith woos science Oct 2012 #218

This is not a new poster. Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #228

Yes, I'm sure the Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #229

check this out... littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #232

you do it... you seem to fit that mold fascisthunter Oct 2012 #243

This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #262

so does faith woo science fascisthunter Oct 2012 #245

I was going to agree with you, OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #215

I completely agree with you. I disagreed with someone on some thread and was told IndyJones Oct 2012 #224

Lockem up! davidthegnome Oct 2012 #255

Excellent! Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #226

Irony from a whistleblower: ProSense Oct 2012 #234

Sad that someone alerted on that... davidthegnome Oct 2012 #253

Agreed. davidthegnome Oct 2012 #236

Better Believe It! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #240

lol fascisthunter Oct 2012 #244

Maybe if I am lucky, woo me with science Oct 2012 #266

Nobody can stop you from being counter-productive. Jester Messiah Oct 2012 #241

It is counter productive to speak the truth about how one feels? davidthegnome Oct 2012 #248

Never heaven05 Oct 2012 #250

It is reassuring to find this post receiving 119 recs (as of this AM). bvar22 Oct 2012 #258

Amen. davidthegnome Oct 2012 #259

Indeed. :) woo me with science Oct 2012 #265

Say whatever you want to. Bake Oct 2012 #263