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ChoppinBroccoli

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Sun Oct 7, 2012, 10:33 PM Oct 2012

Rmoney WANTED Obama To Attack Him, But Obama Outsmarted Him [View all]

I know there's been much discussion on why Obama didn't hammer Rmoney with the 47% thing and all the other "red meat" gaffes Rmoney has made over the past few months. Place me firmly in the "Obama was right NOT to bring those things up" camp. Not only am I pretty sure that Rmoney had rehearsed, canned "zingers" for all of them, I'm now pretty much convinced that Rmoney was actually BAITING Obama, hoping he'd bring them up.

As I was watching my recording of the debate a couple days after the fact, I noticed that at the end of the debate, Rmoney got desperate and hung a slow-breaking curve over the heart of the plate, just daring the President to take a cut at it. Towards the end, Rmoney repeated one of Ted Strickland's lines from the Convention. When discussing budgetary priorities, he said something to the effect of, "Where you put your money is an indicator of where your loyalties lie." Ted Strickland used that line as a segue into a zinger about Rmoney's offshore accounts, but I'm convinced Rmoney said it on purpose, hoping Obama would seize on it in the exact same way, thus opening the door for one of his pre-rehearsed, canned "zingers." But Obama didn't take the bait.

Now, I suppose Rmoney MIGHT have said it, honestly believing it was a great line to attack Obama, and not knowing how the exact same line was used at the Convention. And I suppose there's a possibility that Obama let the slow, hanging curve go right over the plate, not realizing he'd let a pitch right in his wheelhouse go by. But what are the chances that either one of those are true? Do we REALLY think that no one in the Rmoney campaign watched the Democratic Convention, and that his use of that phrase came out of the blue? And do we HONESTLY believe that Obama just didn't catch the fact that he said it, and that it matched up perfectly to something Ted Strickland said just a few weeks ago?

No, I believe that Rmoney was HOPING that Obama would respond with the Ted Strickland line about his offshore accounts. And I think Obama outsmarted him by NOT responding the way he'd hoped. But for all the people who are upset that Obama didn't bring up all the controversial ammunition he has against Rmoney in the first debate, I have this one question: How many people who would tune in to watch a Presidential debate do you think DON'T ALREADY KNOW about all those things? Do you REALLY think that someone would watch a debate, and an hour into it go, "What?!?!?!? What's he talking about? Mitt Romney said WHAT?!?!?!?" All Obama did by NOT bringing them up is fail to give Rmoney a chance to explain them away (which I'm sure he spent about 50 of his 55 preparation hours preparing to do).

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I think you're right. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #1
Yes. A handful of us at DU saw this immediately. NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #2
Yes. Yes we did. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #59
I agree. nm rhett o rick Oct 2012 #68
Mitt suckered a lot of people, and ProSense Oct 2012 #3
No doubt that Romney had the zingers ready for being called out as a liar andym Oct 2012 #4
Yes, and I'm sure that Romney thought Obama would bring up the 47% issue too, but ... Tx4obama Oct 2012 #5
+1 flamingdem Oct 2012 #6
Agreed.. I think too many failed to see what might be happening. LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #10
I think President Obama and his team had canned responses to Rmoney's anticipated stances. TheDebbieDee Oct 2012 #7
The next Obama-Romney debate: Obama will be awesome and Romney will suck Tx4obama Oct 2012 #8
Thanks Texas! The last one is going to be in Boca Raton Cha Oct 2012 #17
Undecided voters will be the audience at one of them jonthebru Oct 2012 #26
SNL on Saturday ran a mock ad that skwered so-called coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #45
if I have learned anything about Obama Skittles Oct 2012 #40
Sorry but I don't buy this premise. MotherPetrie Oct 2012 #9
The polls showing Obama lost must be skewed. nt geek tragedy Oct 2012 #14
LOL jsmirman Oct 2012 #38
I don't need any analysis. jonthebru Oct 2012 #27
Obama didn't "blow" the debate Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #33
First of all Obama didn't lose, he debated smart the only way to debate when you're Raine Oct 2012 #35
So if Rmoney comes out next time with another batch of lies, Doctor_J Oct 2012 #61
Whether it was intentional or not, Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #11
So Romney is surging in the polls... Julien Sorel Oct 2012 #23
You have to look at the big picture Tx4obama Oct 2012 #28
+1 krawhitham Oct 2012 #30
Obama's approval is up to 54 percent in the right leaning Gallup polls. But hey, whatever. MADem Oct 2012 #32
"surging in the polls"??? he went up a point or two that is not surging and Obama is still ahead. nt Raine Oct 2012 #36
I have to agree. But, I'm moving on jsmirman Oct 2012 #39
STOP IT!! STOP IT!! You do NOT ...NOT let a lie stand in front of 70 million people... uponit7771 Oct 2012 #12
Romney told 27 lies during the debate. Tx4obama Oct 2012 #20
wasn't it 27 lies in the 1st 37 minutes? magical thyme Oct 2012 #46
That also gives Romney 70M viewers for his defence Trekologer Oct 2012 #50
Nah. Not that many undecided people were watching, for one thing. NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #60
Ugh, please. Obama realizes he stunk the place up. So should we. nt geek tragedy Oct 2012 #13
Part of Obama's strategy worked, part of it didn't work alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #15
Precisely! Cha Oct 2012 #19
Yes that sounds right. anAustralianobserver Oct 2012 #21
Strongly agree! I wasn't here that night, but I watched with friends and was pretty surprised patrice Oct 2012 #37
Exactly. Further, Romney got a 2-3 point bump at most and magical thyme Oct 2012 #48
Maybe, BUT... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #16
I've paid close attention to the President and the way he operates. Lugnut Oct 2012 #18
here is the proof of your argument grasswire Oct 2012 #22
He also used the exact wording jonthebru Oct 2012 #24
It is possible. Fearless Oct 2012 #25
Yes. And also see Comment #28 :) n/t Tx4obama Oct 2012 #29
obama is a very smart and calculating man Mothdust Oct 2012 #31
Absolutely agree with you, Obama played three dimensional chess and played Mitt like violin. nt. Raine Oct 2012 #34
I posted about 30 threads on how Obama won the debate by winning the election 11/7/12 graham4anything Oct 2012 #41
Obama outsmarted him by losing, interesting strategy...... bowens43 Oct 2012 #42
Abysmal? mattclearing Oct 2012 #47
Rmoney wanted an argument quaker bill Oct 2012 #43
Wow. The denial is breathtaking Doctor_J Oct 2012 #44
I don't consider a 2-3 point bump a major hit, and there are 2 more debates magical thyme Oct 2012 #49
2-3 is very big at this point Doctor_J Oct 2012 #55
1. bs. magical thyme Oct 2012 #58
The apologists have got me surrounded Doctor_J Oct 2012 #62
and now the Gallup 7 day tracking poll is out, and Romney's magical thyme Oct 2012 #63
Show me the "major hit" in the polls... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #51
Well, at least we've gone from "He outsmarted Rmoney!!11!1!1" to ""molehill" Doctor_J Oct 2012 #53
Forget it man. SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #57
"Took a hit for it", from who? The corporate media? If he would have bickered back, then Rmoney rhett o rick Oct 2012 #69
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #52
That may be, however, Obama did NOT strongly point out the lies and contradictions that romney was still_one Oct 2012 #54
CHECKMATE ROMNEY! Capt. Obvious Oct 2012 #56
Genius inchhigh Oct 2012 #64
I don't think Obama was really present. Something was going on. I don't know what. robinlynne Oct 2012 #65
you obviously Kltpzyxm Oct 2012 #66
sarcasm, I hope..... robinlynne Oct 2012 #67
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