Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: What will be the reaction to Trump's conviction? [View all]Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)30. Ah yes, I see, now. Force does seem to be key.
LII U.S. Code Title 18 PART I CHAPTER 115 § 2384
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
U.S. Code
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
U.S. Code
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
I read the pertinent part this way:
If two or more persons...conspire to
overthrow (with or w/o force) the Government of the United States
put down (with or w/o force) the Government of the United States
or to destroy by force the Government of the United States
they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned...
I still believe that Trump incited his mob of insurrectionists to use force for one or more of the reasons cited, and that many of them are guilty of seditious conspiracy.
However, reading further, I was reminded of how sedition laws have been used just to silence vocal critics of the government, rather than to protect the nation & uphold democracy. Especially certain iterations and prosecutions which blatantly violated free speech.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
34 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Some folks here seem to want to make up their own definition of sedition,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2021
#25
Is it certain beyond a reasonable dought that he meant they should use physical force? No.
Cicada
Jan 2021
#22