My answer to ALL of you who want secession in some form. (And my hair is on fire!)

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12. It won't be secession; it will be a nasty, brother-against-sister religious war...

(Sorry, this is rambling and unfocussed. Dashed off in five minutes on my way out the door to work.)

This country was founded by people who had the carnage of religious wars just behind them, who wanted a nation free from religious strife. (Among other things.)

The fundamentalists are explicitly against the Enlightenment. They piss on our government and on education. And the fundamentalists are in every state, in every city - shoving their propaganda down everyone's throat. And that propaganda is as old as patriarchy: women are property, the other (minorities, glbts) are not even human, don't think, just obey.

So, I agree with you that there won't be secession. But there will be violence. Brutal, friend on friend violence. Up close and personal violence. The kind that always ensues in stupid, irrational religious fights.

The fundies have already been going on random murder sprees (like the guy in California who intended to shoot up the Tides Institute).

But, the worst thing about the fundies is that they WANT to be peasants and worship kings; and the corporations love this, so they support this authoritarian, anti-science, pseudo-Christian crapola, even as they use science (computers) to spy on everyone and enslave us.

I consider states that have passed medieval religious laws (Kansas comes to mind) to have been captured by anti-Constitution seditionists. The last time we had sedition on such a large and organized scale, we had a Civil War. Before that, the Revolutionary War had an overtone of religion (high church Anglican Tories, and low church Americans). The big fights in this country have always been about religion.

If you think that saying "no secession" is going to prevent massive bloodshed when the corporate takeover of America is completed and the fundies are put in as the local tyrant to suppress dissent and collect the taxes for the multinationals, you are whistling past a graveyard waiting to be filled.