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peggysue2

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77. I think we all want unity but . . .
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 12:50 PM
Jan 2021

That will never happen without a reckoning, a thorough investigation of what happened and who was involved. It means weeding out those representatives, senators, other government officials as well as private citizens who were complicit and holding participants accountable.

This isn't simply a revenge thing. It's excising a deadly infection in the body politic. To do anything less is asking for continued ideological spread, then another push to overwhelm the system.

We cannot, must not allow that to happen.

There's no reason why the Biden Administration cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. Maybe we've become too accustomed to total incompetence over the last 4 years. Biden has assembled the best of the best to head his Administration. That's not to minimize the extent of the rubble Trump and his goons have left behind or the gargantuan task Biden is facing: Covid, economy, social injustice, environment, immigration, etc.
But pretending that the hateful, disgraceful, dangerous display we saw on January 6th can be swept under the rug without repercussions is ignoring the warnings of history.

People need to be held accountable because we can't expect anything approaching justice without it. Yes, we need to heal and want unity. But regardless of political leanings, IMHO we all need a large dose of truth before that happens, as in how did we get here, how do we make sure this never happens again?

Because on a next round? We won't have a choice.

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They need to make amends, period! fantase56 Jan 2021 #1
The Capitol was under siege edhopper Jan 2021 #2
I doubt any but fervent Democrats give two shits about the vote. They want an end to the Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #22
We can walk edhopper Jan 2021 #23
I agree that unity is a two way street. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #27
And they need to be the first to make a move. edhopper Jan 2021 #35
No Joe Biden is the first one to make a move. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #36
Fuck that shit. edhopper Jan 2021 #39
Apparently not. As he announced his platform was healing the nation and unity. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #45
No, edhopper Jan 2021 #61
Of course you read what you want. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #66
Please edhopper Jan 2021 #81
First you swear at me then you accuse me of the acrimony. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #86
I apologize edhopper Jan 2021 #106
We really can't in this instance. if we make punishing the GOP and Trump our major endeavor, there Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #31
We did nothing to the people who edhopper Jan 2021 #33
The hot heads here seem to think accountability is unity. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #50
No edhopper Jan 2021 #63
It's not about punish and shun it's about accountability. Phoenix61 Jan 2021 #3
Emotions are high--especially when almost half of republicans thought that catbyte Jan 2021 #4
It won't be swept under the rug. But Trump will find a way to pardon himself...and even if Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #21
Unity is meaningless if it means seditionists and law-breakers receive no accountability... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #5
No I don't see a pattern. You will never stop bad guys by punishing other bad guys that is Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #18
I think you missed my point... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #26
No, Joe Biden is the head of the Democratic Party and the 'fray' will affect policy...it just Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #44
Also we need to look down the road. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #54
No one suggests there shouldn't be accountability. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #28
There is no reconciliation without admission of guilt, Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #6
Oh please. We have a million people losing jobs a week. This is our chance to get policy we Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #15
Thanks for your comments. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #29
You are right. Biden ran on unity. And he doesn't want to spend his term pursuing Trump...we Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #37
❣️🇺🇸🤜🏻🤛🏻🇺🇸❣️ LakeArenal Jan 2021 #38
Thanks Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #46
All these comments prove my point. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #7
Hopefully there will be some cooling off before the riots start in the summer. Klaralven Jan 2021 #19
It sounds good, but when.. mvd Jan 2021 #8
And making voters angry so they elect Republicans in 22 is helpful how? Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #10
I agree...and if we don't get stuff done instead another opportunity will be lost...we had the Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #9
What would this UNITY look like?? secondwind Jan 2021 #11
Democrats are not black grey or white. We are colorful. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #30
Would like to watch that video. Link? Iwasthere Jan 2021 #49
Ohhhh an ex Republican that brought us Pallin is a okay. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #60
Wait, so you are attacking a former Republican who helped defeat Trump? Caliman73 Jan 2021 #109
Criminal activity requires accountability. notinkansas Jan 2021 #12
You mistake unity for reconciliation which won't happen...we need unity of purpose...to serve Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #52
I dread any claim for an (half/hearted at best) apology. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #62
Where do repentance and atonement fit in? dlk Jan 2021 #13
Unity begins with thorough, vigorous prosecutions & max sentences for ALL involved SheltieLover Jan 2021 #14
A little acceptance of what? I see no aspect of Trump supporters remotely worthy of acceptance. Towlie Jan 2021 #16
Acceptance that they are human beings. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #32
They want you dead durablend Jan 2021 #56
I don't give a care what they want. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #58
That's your mistake, you don't take the threat seriously. Humanist_Activist Jan 2021 #73
Ohhhhh now I'm the problem. Great deflection. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #74
You fail to acknowledge how dangerous right wing terrorism is. Humanist_Activist Jan 2021 #84
You fail to acknowledge that wveryone that is a Republican is not a sedition traitor. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #89
I see only one person lumping them together, you, so who are you arguing against? Humanist_Activist Jan 2021 #108
You are someone lumping all Republicans together LakeArenal Jan 2021 #112
"Acceptance that they are human beings"? Yes, I accept that... Towlie Jan 2021 #103
Until they admit that this election was legitimate, and there was no fraud, how can there be unity? still_one Jan 2021 #17
They won't admit that ever. As for unity...all we really need is to peel off a few GOP types Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #24
Best comment of my thread. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #34
Thank you! Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #47
There will never be a dialog, yet alone unity for anyone in Congress who won't admit that. I agree still_one Jan 2021 #69
So then unity is "peeling off a few Republicans"? Caliman73 Jan 2021 #110
Lock all the Seditionists up EndlessWire Jan 2021 #20
The repug party is now the fascist party. I don't play nice with fascist (Nazi). Hotler Jan 2021 #25
It sounds great, but it takes two to tango DFW Jan 2021 #40
Yeah hard to accept getting kicked in the shins. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #70
Son't get me wring. I'm fine with Biden as president DFW Jan 2021 #80
Not asking any to make nice. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author LakeArenal Jan 2021 #71
I see Joe wanting unity. I see millions voted for unity. FelineOverlord Jan 2021 #41
You don't know what will happen. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #68
You don't know what will happen. FelineOverlord Jan 2021 #91
I do remember that like day before Obama's ... electric_blue68 Jan 2021 #105
We have to clamp down hard on insurrection Sympthsical Jan 2021 #42
But no one here has suggested illegality should have no consequences. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #94
Look at the FBI Sympthsical Jan 2021 #102
The Compromise of 1877 started us down the road of racism, Jim Crow, sectionalism, albacore Jan 2021 #43
The difference between addressing a real life and death issue or sweeping it under the rug. LizBeth Jan 2021 #48
My brother is a trumper Bayard Jan 2021 #51
Where's THEIR work toward unity? What are THEY doing? JHB Jan 2021 #53
I think we're supposed to suck it up and Bettie Jan 2021 #67
I don't have a problem with Joe calling for unity. From him it's the proper thing... JHB Jan 2021 #76
Exactly! Bettie Jan 2021 #85
No one has suggested Democrats suck any illegality up. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #90
I remind you that your OP characterized "more than half of DU" as ... JHB Jan 2021 #100
They caused too much pain for people of color. BlueLucy Jan 2021 #55
If there are no consequences for what has happened Bettie Jan 2021 #57
Again no one said no consequences for insurrectionists. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #93
Do you realize that most of the people who still support that orange thing Bettie Jan 2021 #101
I'm willing to accept anyone who Dem4Life1102 Jan 2021 #59
Calling for unity with people who want you dead is fucking insane (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jan 2021 #64
That's hyperbole but the swearing is going to help. It always does. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #72
It 100% is not hyperbole Spider Jerusalem Jan 2021 #79
how the fuck is that hyperbole? Voltaire2 Jan 2021 #87
Squash them like a bug Joe Iwasthere Jan 2021 #65
That's not going to happen. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #75
I think we all want unity but . . . peggysue2 Jan 2021 #77
I want these terrorists to be crushed like bugs Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #78
Failure to hold everyone involved in the insurrection at the capitol accountable, avebury Jan 2021 #83
Geez did you read any of this? LakeArenal Jan 2021 #97
When you have to restate your position Voltaire2 Jan 2021 #117
how many coup attempts do they get before we give them a time out? Voltaire2 Jan 2021 #88
That's flippant and not what anyone has suggested. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #96
a) no it isn't, b) yes it is. Voltaire2 Jan 2021 #99
All prior suggestions have so far been diaphanous LanternWaste Jan 2021 #114
Acceptance? Of what exactly? Iggo Jan 2021 #92
Don't jump into the end of a lengthy convo and ask folks to repeat what was said in the text. LakeArenal Jan 2021 #95
You could have just put a link instead of being a complete jerk. Iggo Jan 2021 #104
Oh my! demmiblue Jan 2021 #107
How do you make amdends with the Q Anon people? Initech Jan 2021 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2021 #111
I voted to stop the continuing rightward plunge of this country. As for unity... Montauk6 Jan 2021 #113
What you want is a nice idea. What we'd actually *get* is Reconstruction 2.0 friendly_iconoclast Jan 2021 #115
I'm all for unity but that requires cooperation from the other side In It to Win It Jan 2021 #116
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