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lame54

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86. But those pardons can be...

Reply to StarfishSaver (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 17, 2021, 04:18 PM

Jan 2021

Used against him in his impeachment trial

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I think Nancy Pelosi is holding back the impeachment to stop [View all] Baltimike Jan 2021 OP

Agree! Nothing slips past madam speaker Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #1

sure it also didn't get past Madam Speaker that soldierant Jan 2021 #42

Need Clarification on this..... essaynnc Jan 2021 #2

Impeachment has no effect at all on his pardon power StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #5

That's what I always thought Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #13

CNN also had some lawyer on who claimed a simple video made by Trump and broadcast Celerity Jan 2021 #52

It doesn't sound like that to me. PTWB Jan 2021 #57

That's not exactly right StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #62

So he literally could scream it out from the rooftop of the White House and it's valid Celerity Jan 2021 #72

Yeah, it's f**ked up! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #78

I agree that that is bullshit StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #61

+1000 Celerity Jan 2021 #74

One thing among many that needs to be fixed.... paleotn Jan 2021 #31

+1 mdbl Jan 2021 #56

Actually, the pardon power is a good one StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #63

I guess I missed out on all the good it has done mdbl Jan 2021 #69

I guess you did. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #71

and I don't remember saying we should abolish it mdbl Jan 2021 #75

The abuse issue is addressed by electing Solomon Jan 2021 #90

like that always happens? mdbl Jan 2021 #91

No, it doesn't always happen. But the system is set up to require us to be responsible StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #93

Well it's not going to change based on what I say but, mdbl Jan 2021 #94

How do you determine a pardoned person was involved in a crime with the president unless and until StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #96

good luck convincing 74,000,000 of that mdbl Jan 2021 #99

Why do you think i have any desire or obligation to convince those people of anything? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #101

Thank you StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #92

Thank you! Solomon Feb 2021 #103

Granted, but like any unilateral power, it can easily be used for great wrong. paleotn Jan 2021 #76

As we've seen, any power, regardless how broad or limited can be abused StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #79

That is how I heard it explained by a legal scholar. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #32

Conviction would by God remove the pardon power, soldierant Jan 2021 #37

Maybe there needs to be a new amendment to the constitution regarding Captain Zero Jan 2021 #55

So now that he has been impeached, wnylib Jan 2021 #46

Impeachment has no impact on his ability to pardon anyone including himself. n/t whopis01 Jan 2021 #83

But those pardons can be... lame54 Jan 2021 #86

Yes. Definitely StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #87

If he pardons them, he will be implicated in their crimes, MoonRiver Jan 2021 #11

Trump was already impeached PJMcK Jan 2021 #16

Your information appears sound soldierant Jan 2021 #41

Your thinking is sound. If t**** gives out pardons after this impeachment and then is IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #48

Amen! soldierant Jan 2021 #50

The pardon would not be in question. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #64

Perhaps you are right. But, I understand the reasoning of the poster. IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #80

Others may disagree, but they would be wrong StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #82

Its complicated. While he does have extensive pardon powers it could be argued that the powers are cstanleytech Jan 2021 #49

The impeachment limit doesn't apply to crimes kst Jan 2021 #58

Everything you write is absolutely correct StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #66

If Trump's implicated in the crime he's dishing out pardons for, those pardons can be overturned. backscatter712 Jan 2021 #95

Yes! Blue Owl Jan 2021 #3

Good. The pardons would be meaningless... I wonder if he knows that. liberalla Jan 2021 #4

Impeachment doesn't affect pardons at all. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #9

So that's not the reason Pelosi is waiting? She must have other reasons for stalling... liberalla Jan 2021 #15

I think she's waiting until Democrats control of the Senate StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #19

Thank you for your reply! liberalla Jan 2021 #23

McConnell would have nothing to lose by repeating his last impeachment performance Crash2Parties Jan 2021 #30

Here are two guesses PJMcK Jan 2021 #21

Thank you for adding your ideas here! liberalla Jan 2021 #24

Being impeached obviously doesn't stop his pardon Phoenix61 Jan 2021 #6

That would be an atrocity if trDump were able to pardon the mob of domestic terrorists,... magicarpet Jan 2021 #7

I didn't know that.. Cha Jan 2021 #8

That's not true. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #10

Darn! It sounded so FAIR! Cha Jan 2021 #14

If you mean, he knows pardoning them would be a bad strategic move because StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #12

At least there is that.. TY. These Cha Jan 2021 #18

So he can pardon anyone for any and all crimes up until the date of said pardon? Ligyron Jan 2021 #35

There's also the interpretation of the last part of Article II Sec 2 Clause 1 Cheezoholic Jan 2021 #53

I think you'll find that most of the discussion accepting that interpretation StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #60

It's not really in his interest to do it if he could. BrightKnight Jan 2021 #17

If he is no longer President he can't pardon anyone katmondoo Jan 2021 #20

exactly. nt Baltimike Jan 2021 #26

No man is above the law. The president cannot self pardon Baltimike Jan 2021 #22

I'm not sure bunny planet Jan 2021 #25

Actually this specific question came up when the constitution was being written... PoliticAverse Jan 2021 #38

He can pardon whomever he wants, even people involved in crimes he's committed StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #68

Constitutional scholars have differing opinions on pardons SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2021 #27

How ironic for the POTUS who loves the death penalty die by it. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2021 #28

I truly hope that, or similar, is the rationale behind waiting. What a f'in gross attack on our dem. Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #29

I like the waiting Traildogbob Jan 2021 #36

Oh were that to come true.. Be still my little heart! Just the facts, m'am. we need Joe Friday. nt Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #65

She might want to hold it until the two new Dem Senators are sworn in Sogo Jan 2021 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #34

Ty, Nancy! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #39

Trump knows if he pardons the rebels he is more likely to be convicted in the Senate. yellowcanine Jan 2021 #40

If the Senate can get the Resolution when Democrats are in control BumRushDaShow Jan 2021 #43

Show every despicable detail of this insurrection. Days and days of it until it is IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #54

Are you guys sure? The question is can he pardon people that committed crimes that he is impeached rainy Jan 2021 #44

Did anyone see the "Pardon" expert on Lawrences? show last night???? DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #59

He can pardon anyone for any reason, even people involved in crimes he was impeached for StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #70

"Holding back" impeachment doesn't affect Trump's pardon power. There is, however, a good reason... CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #45

Crazy idea here. Mcconnell has already Enoki33 Jan 2021 #47

Valid reasoning! Chainfire Jan 2021 #73

I fear a boatload of "in your face" pardons are coming Wednesday morning Thunderbeast Jan 2021 #51

If he's stupid enough to pardon them I say he should go for it. live love laugh Jan 2021 #67

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2021 #77

Keith O says Trump can't pardon insurrectionists... rainy Jan 2021 #81

Keith O is wrong. n/t whopis01 Jan 2021 #84

Yes, he's dead wrong StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #88

I am not a lawyer and don't find it hard to understand. whopis01 Jan 2021 #98

Exactly StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #100

Lawrence Tribe: scipan Jan 2021 #85

Granting these pardons could be criminal. But the pardons are still valid. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #89

Surely you have to know people's names to pardon them? And... LAS14 Jan 2021 #97

I've heard some people argue that, but I don't believe it's valid StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #102