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33. The OP was referring to a spot on O'Donnell by an expert on pardons

Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:20 AM

Jan 2021

O'Donnell used the term secret for pardons that were unannounced and later released.

The expert said that pardons needed to be provable (ie have a witness) but did not need to be documented or notarized. It could be a verbal utterance as long as there were credible witnesses.

She also explained it could be done for an entire group. Trump could look into a camera and say "I pardon everyone who entered the capital for federal trespassing charges" and it would be legal.

Among the many things we have never had to worry about before.

Probably the only reason he doesn't do it is because he is worried about his civil exposure.

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What's stopping trump from selling more pardons after he leaves office, [View all] duforsure Jan 2021 OP

Ppl can claim anything..courts will want proof Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #1

He could write their name down on a piece of paper claiming proof. duforsure Jan 2021 #4

Nope. TwilightZone Jan 2021 #27

Well he won't be President? pwb Jan 2021 #2

I think the area of concern is so-called "secret pardons"... JHB Jan 2021 #8

So invented thoughts need action? Secret pardons? pwb Jan 2021 #13

Has been done in the past. Two FBI agents were pardoned by RR but grantcart Jan 2021 #18

There's secret and there's secret StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #30

The OP was referring to a spot on O'Donnell by an expert on pardons grantcart Jan 2021 #33

A few things StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #36

I was simply trying to recreate the context on "The Last Word" that the OP had obviously seen grantcart Jan 2021 #44

I understand your concern about limiting the pardon. But that idea isn't a good one StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #46

You misread my point about the 2/3 Senate vote grantcart Jan 2021 #47

I understood your point StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #49

Precisely. This is the big mark against allowing "secret" pardons... JHB Jan 2021 #3

Exactly, duforsure Jan 2021 #6

Person w pardon, even public pardon, can be charged in court. See Burdick SCotUS 1915 Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #12

Right, but he still could illegally sell pardons duforsure Jan 2021 #15

He could try to sell them to suckers. But I don't think secret pardons have been tested in court. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #19

You're right,that's why the laws need to be expanded to eliminate loopholes duforsure Jan 2021 #22

No StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #32

Secret doesn't mean that no one on earth knows about it StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #31

That's what /should/ happen (assuming "secret" in the first place) and what would... JHB Jan 2021 #35

I'm not saying he wouldn't try it - he's likely to try anything StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #38

The fact he won't be President after noon tomorrow obamanut2012 Jan 2021 #5

As long as there isn't a complete list given, duforsure Jan 2021 #9

Yeah, not gonna happen obamanut2012 Jan 2021 #10

Nope. Not even. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #39

Maybe the date/time of the pardon(s) have to be time-stamped and witnessed to prove no_hypocrisy Jan 2021 #7

But he has many fools like Navarro and even his dumbass kids that could claim JI7 Jan 2021 #11

They need to have real-time proof, not just their word StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #40

Is a president allowed to sell pardons? DeeDeeNY Jan 2021 #14

Yes he could using his agents, duforsure Jan 2021 #17

He can use agents, but that does not make it legal in any way. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #20

Right, duforsure Jan 2021 #25

Threads like this are beyond silly. brooklynite Jan 2021 #16

It's a loophole that could be exploited , duforsure Jan 2021 #21

Why? Arazi Jan 2021 #23

Because it assumes... brooklynite Jan 2021 #24

Trump has committed overt felonies and has been protected for decades Arazi Jan 2021 #45

I think there should be a numerical limitation on pardons whether secret or otherwise. dreamland Jan 2021 #26

There's no hole. TwilightZone Jan 2021 #28

I know legally he can't give pardons after leaving office, duforsure Jan 2021 #29

Pardons mean guilt. apnu Jan 2021 #34

The Supreme Court has blessed pre-conviction pardons and not all pardons mean guilt onenote Jan 2021 #42

Pardons are documented. onenote Jan 2021 #37

Thank you. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #41

Thank you all for this most interesting and informative thread. niyad Jan 2021 #43

Trump is touching the Pardon process. Ergo, the Pardon process will turn to crap. Hugin Jan 2021 #48