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85. I don't eat human chow (breakfast cereals) anymore

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:56 AM

Oct 2012

and feel a lot better... (still eat oatmeal off and on)

I do think Americans eat way too much pizza and cheese. And if people wash that down with sodas it's a sure recipe for obesity. I didn't read the book--just what I've observed in my family. One of my nephews is truly addicted. Yes I call it an addiction.

If consumers reject the sugared human chow & drinks, processed "Food Substance" & fried junk nuggets, we'd be a lot better off. The suppliers would eventually get the message. But we keep eating it...I think we're paying for it with bad health (that IS documented).

So I don't know if this guy is "right" or not -- what I take from it is, if you are overweight or have chronic ailments or just don't feel good, why not give it a try? There are plenty of alternatives.

The UK chef Jamie Oliver has a lot to say about all this--especially with regard to children:

http://www.jamieoliver.com/us/foundation/jamies-food-revolution/home

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Modern wheat a "perfect, chronic poison," doctor says [View all] Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 OP

Who knows if the claims are true flamingdem Oct 2012 #1

better yet JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #4

It's good! femrap Oct 2012 #32

Yes, but depending on who I listen to Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #6

It's not wheat and it tastes better than wheat pasta flamingdem Oct 2012 #15

Spelt contains just as much gluten and gliadin as standard wheat muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #60

I don't think that I have a gluten problem, but I'm concerned about the flamingdem Oct 2012 #62

It's been altered by genetic research for thousands of years muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #79

So the question is whether some grains are easier on the digestion flamingdem Oct 2012 #86

That's not quite true ... DarleenMB Oct 2012 #90

Yes, Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #99

It stimulates your appetite sense Oct 2012 #136

basically inedible? oh really? that's funny since it's the world's more widely cultivated grain & HiPointDem Oct 2012 #104

Hang on, you think it's not true that wheat has been changed for thousands of years muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #131

The wheat is the product of old-fashioned Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #97

The change made in the 60s was called the semi-dwarf gene. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #134

There you go again Retrograde Oct 2012 #143

Thanks for the nice words but I have to disagree on the pasta..... yellowcanine Oct 2012 #161

Already did that. Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #95

it's wheat. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #96

You forgot FAT. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #16

Spelt has gluten nt K8-EEE Oct 2012 #27

And you are left with ... DarleenMB Oct 2012 #89

Love my Paleo diet truebrit71 Oct 2012 #107

Yep, this is how I'm eating now. Rainngirl Oct 2012 #113

Absolutely! sense Oct 2012 #141

You're probably being atacked by the vehement vegans--there are a flock of them here. diane in sf Oct 2012 #153

Thanks for the suggestion. sense Oct 2012 #280

I cut all grains, legumes and dairy in July. Shanti Mama Oct 2012 #223

Ideally I'd cut all of the above with the exception of meat occasionally. gateley Oct 2012 #154

2 delux's(?) and an order of fries please. Smickey Oct 2012 #270

I had just returned to Seattle for my niece's wedding after living in NC for three years. gateley Oct 2012 #272

spelt is wheat and has gliadin. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #93

Pasta is made from durum wheat, which has gluten but so does spelt. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #147

Or shirataki (noodles made from konnyaku) REP Oct 2012 #192

Trial and Error JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #2

You are not being flippant at all Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #9

You might be interested in this TEDTalk from Dr. Terry Wahls... drokhole Oct 2012 #31

Thank you very much for the link Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #76

You're welcome! drokhole Oct 2012 #172

I was a fat child and probably femrap Oct 2012 #47

My mother In laws JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #232

So I should be femrap Oct 2012 #290

Even better! JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #291

I just joined femrap Oct 2012 #292

Does you Dr. say it's necessary to have some kind of grain product? flamingdem Oct 2012 #17

You do not need grains at all DarleenMB Oct 2012 #94

Grains aren't necessary unless you literally have nothing else to eat Abq_Sarah Oct 2012 #222

meat also isn't necessary. neither are eggs, avocado, yogurt, etc. in fact, as many people who HiPointDem Oct 2012 #227

You are saying that diet helps your R.A.? I wonder if it would help fibromyalgia. LittlestStar Oct 2012 #117

One of my friends who sense Oct 2012 #132

Wow that is such good news! I have been so worried about her, only 65 and so sick with LittlestStar Oct 2012 #171

My friend is 63. sense Oct 2012 #184

Meh. Bread and pasta are staples in my house, and TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #3

Doesn't mean you wouldn't be better off without it. Jester Messiah Oct 2012 #10

I'm Italian. You might as well ask Asians to give up rice, or Mexicans TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #12

I'm Scottish and Irish mostly and OriginalGeek Oct 2012 #19

Yep, pizza night isn't going anywhere in my household. I also have TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #22

The answer is using other strains of wheat BlueToTheBone Oct 2012 #40

I doubt I'll ever learn to make anything from any kind of wheat OriginalGeek Oct 2012 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author HiPointDem Oct 2012 #164

I'm Irish-Italian, and I'm a carbohydrate addict! This thread is very educational and inspirational! WinkyDink Oct 2012 #200

That's true ... if you're talking about bread and pasta made with white flour, i.e. wallpaper paste. Doremus Oct 2012 #46

I believe it, as I know many people who don't eat wheat.... cbdo2007 Oct 2012 #5

try to eat food in its whole state if you must do processed then try to do alternate grains+organic lunasun Oct 2012 #7

Another sensible idea Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #11

"diabetic nation coming" shanti Oct 2012 #48

Organic Wheat, by definition, can't be genetically engineered wheat, can it? ~nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #182

No Richard D Oct 2012 #279

start by avoiding the center aisles at the store - fresh foods are on the perimeter. piratefish08 Oct 2012 #8

Yeah, I noticed that Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #45

We've always done most of the cooking on the weekends and japple Oct 2012 #59

We are having a discussion in my home Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #105

Excellent advice (IMO), with one exception, hardy veggies (squash, broccoli, snap peas, etc). Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #70

Sheesh. I had no idea that wheat had changed mzmolly Oct 2012 #13

Well the claim that it did is not verified by good science. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #35

I tend to agree with you mzmolly Oct 2012 #37

Exercise and limit caloric intake? That's just crazy talk. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #41

Yes it is. Much easier to just quit eating wheat. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #101

Actually, quite a number of researchers have demonstrated pnwmom Oct 2012 #49

"there are people with gliadin sensitivity who do not have classic celiac." No one says otherwise. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #81

People with gluten sensitivity and Celiac are having an antibody response that cannot be managed pnwmom Oct 2012 #165

What's your take on gluten sensitivity/allergy? nt wtmusic Oct 2012 #58

I think I gave my take. It occurs. It is a continuum. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #84

Hence my skepticism with the article Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #106

Yellowcanine Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #174

Agronomy/crop science. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #178

I didn't think so Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #249

it hasn't. flour in grandma's day had plenty of gliadin -- else her bread wouldn't have risen. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #116

I've come to that conclusion after doing research. mzmolly Oct 2012 #119

What I keep trying to tell people, gluten/gliadin is needed for good bread. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #150

+1. You need to *add* gluten if you're making whole wheat bread, unless you want a door stop. n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #157

i LOVE fresh bread Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #177

Fresh skillet corn bread with butter and honey, omg. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #179

I avoid it, for food allergies reasons nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #14

"There should be peer reviewed studies......." There are. They do not support the faddists. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #42

That one study doesn't support gluten abstinence as weight loss device. pnwmom Oct 2012 #51

Yes it is only one study which is ONE MORE than the gluten free faddists can point to. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #71

Unless people are producing antibodies to an ingredient in beans, pnwmom Oct 2012 #162

10% is a relatively small number though. About 75% of the world has some lactose intolerance, for yellowcanine Oct 2012 #175

10% is a very significant number. Twenty years ago, they thought only about 1 American in 4500 pnwmom Oct 2012 #180

they just don't know why people are more susceptible now. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #241

No, it's more than that. I'm curious why it is important to you to be so dismissive pnwmom Oct 2012 #281

Please don't question my motives. I disagree with you and I have given my reasons which are based yellowcanine Oct 2012 #282

That's not what you said before. pnwmom Oct 2012 #284

Wow you do like to quibble. Gluten sensitivity is real, but yellowcanine Oct 2012 #287

MOST people are not following a gluten free diet, and the fraction that do pnwmom Oct 2012 #288

No but Dr. Wheat Belly thinks they should. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #289

Actually we have seen an increase in Celiacs and Chrons nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #72

We have seen an increase because of better diagnosis. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #122

My brother works with Chrohns nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #125

"there is something in the food we eat, that wasn't there" yellowcanine Oct 2012 #158

gmo comes often nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #198

GMO wheat? There are no commercial GMO wheat varieties released. None. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #203

Check with Montsanto nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #210

No - you switched topics. There are no commercial GMO wheat varieties. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #213

Try to pay attention nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #221

We were talking about wheat and gluten so that was the reference point yellowcanine Oct 2012 #235

when i said talk to monsanto nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #236

It is hard to follow you when you don't complete thoughts. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #237

ok, complete though nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #240

"Something is up but try to find the funding...." yellowcanine Oct 2012 #242

And what i am telling you is that there is something extra in food nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #243

So do you work for the grain industry? DarleenMB Oct 2012 #98

Wow. Take cheap shots much? yellowcanine Oct 2012 #112

It's not a food fad. sense Oct 2012 #146

"if changing the way we eat results in better health....." yellowcanine Oct 2012 #170

I think Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #186

You seem like a very reasonable person. sense Oct 2012 #194

Internet discussions have a tendency to bring out our pat answers to things Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #268

that's funny coming from the person who wrote this post demonstrating lack of knowledge HiPointDem Oct 2012 #121

Not a fair question Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #181

Tri and tetrasaccharides contain galactose, and no human has the enzyme beta-galactosidase-- eridani Oct 2012 #231

OK, gliadin may stimulate the appetite, but... TreasonousBastard Oct 2012 #18

Good info - thanks for doing the research! OriginalGeek Oct 2012 #23

There is also gliaden in spelt, one of the other so called "primitive wheats" the gluten-free yellowcanine Oct 2012 #52

trial and error magical thyme Oct 2012 #20

Another good technique is to wrap fillings in lettuce leaves. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #38

appetite/cravings is a very complicated thing. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #211

It can be very difficult to change dietary habits, particularly long-term. closeupready Oct 2012 #21

This guy has his science utterly and completely wrong jeff47 Oct 2012 #24

Very interesting 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #26

+1,000 ... HuckleB Oct 2012 #135

+1. though (some) varieties of wheat have been bred for increased gluten. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #115

Thanks! Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #187

Usually you can start at wikipedia. jeff47 Oct 2012 #202

True, I went there Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #251

If you're correct then people with celiac could eat unkneaded wheat products...and they can't TheCruces Oct 2012 #283

This is basic chemistry, not opinion. jeff47 Oct 2012 #286

Well yeah, reducing carbohydrate intake is a good idea 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #25

I bought the Nook version of that book K8-EEE Oct 2012 #29

WTF are you talking about? jeff47 Oct 2012 #34

I'm talking about science 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #39

Sure, if you want a Paleolithic life expectancy of 33 years wtmusic Oct 2012 #55

Life expectancies actually dropped after we figured out agriculture 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #61

Life expectancies dropped after we started sitting on our asses. wtmusic Oct 2012 #66

It's not quite that simple 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #73

The neolithic revolution has little in common with modern diet wtmusic Oct 2012 #75

Actually if you look at the food ratios most people enjoy 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #87

From your link: wtmusic Oct 2012 #91

life expectancies dropped because of larger, more settled (and more unequal) populations & HiPointDem Oct 2012 #228

And a monoculture based diet 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #245

yes, people have historically gotten shorter as they started living in cities, because cities HiPointDem Oct 2012 #276

"Common wheat was first domesticated in Western Asia during the early Holocene...." HiPointDem Oct 2012 #159

You can feel that way if you like 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #168

nothing to do with how i 'feel'. i'm fairly sure i've read more nutrition studies than most people HiPointDem Oct 2012 #226

So I post from NCBI 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #248

just the first link i came upon that stated the fact (which i already knew from graduate HiPointDem Oct 2012 #273

"If evolution is real why are there still monkeys?" ????? yellowcanine Oct 2012 #256

Not really a joke. Well maybe, sorta 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #263

Well, some cynical types Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #189

the pyramid (which is no longer a pyramid, btw) is published under the auspices of usda, but it's HiPointDem Oct 2012 #197

"Upon release of the guidelines, the cattle, egg, and dairy industries went ballistic." 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #252

wait, i thought it was the 'grain lobbyists' writing these things? now it's the 'meat lobbyists"? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #266

In that case it was 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #269

you really don't know much about the extensive process that leads to the creation of us nutrition HiPointDem Oct 2012 #278

Here's how you're getting the science wrong jeff47 Oct 2012 #204

I decided to try wheat-free for 3 weeks, still at it 3 months later K8-EEE Oct 2012 #28

nothing wrong with that. but why the need for false claims to sell a diet that 'works'? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #229

I agree Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #254

In the preface to his "The End of Overeating", Doctor David Kessler hedgehog Oct 2012 #30

What happened in 1988? waddirum Oct 2012 #191

Well, isn't that the question? If there was an abrupt rise in obesity, there hedgehog Oct 2012 #199

There is also the need Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #255

I think it's pretty clear why americans are heavier on average than in the past: they eat more & HiPointDem Oct 2012 #230

And even then, the question remains Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #257

because food was more readily available. just like dogs eat more when they get more food. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #262

True, Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #265

capitalism. but regardless of why food is more readily available, the simple explanation of taking HiPointDem Oct 2012 #267

I think there is concern Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #271

i agree that cultural/societal factors are in play, and that people are concerned about additives HiPointDem Oct 2012 #274

There is a very intersting observation of lab animals, well worth further investigation hedgehog Oct 2012 #275

"This is an interesting collection of data, but it's very difficult to interpret them," HiPointDem Oct 2012 #277

I live for that poison. wtmusic Oct 2012 #33

yes that and "supersizing" demokatgurrl Oct 2012 #64

Absolutely - to sell more food, just redefine what a "normal" portion is wtmusic Oct 2012 #68

I agree. HappyMe Oct 2012 #83

You don't need carbs. sense Oct 2012 #152

OK. wtmusic Oct 2012 #190

I believe you. sense Oct 2012 #195

There's also a wide range of glycemic indices within carbs. wtmusic Oct 2012 #196

You need carbs. jeff47 Oct 2012 #206

yes it is and that is why laundry_queen Oct 2012 #215

Your brain likes glucose but it's not the sole source of fuel Abq_Sarah Oct 2012 #224

Sure, if you're not particularly fond of your liver. jeff47 Oct 2012 #225

Please site sense Oct 2012 #261

Actually your sense Oct 2012 #260

You might read catrose Oct 2012 #36

Good Calories, Bad Calories is sense Oct 2012 #57

Our pizza secret catrose Oct 2012 #69

This 'new' protein was first noted in wheat in 1830 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #43

<<What does one eat to be healthy?>> abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #44

"Grains and processed sugars are generally foods of an ancient army...." yellowcanine Oct 2012 #67

If the gliadin protein Seedersandleechers Oct 2012 #50

If this were true, if there were really opiates in wheat... MindPilot Oct 2012 #74

I have never heard this before, but I have lost 25 pounds in the last 6 months by NC_Nurse Oct 2012 #53

A protein that's an opiate? KamaAina Oct 2012 #54

Genetically modified food should be labeled so people can make more informed decisions abelenkpe Oct 2012 #56

OK, but there's no evidence GM food is harmful. wtmusic Oct 2012 #63

Can't track evidence one way or another abelenkpe Oct 2012 #80

How do you think illnesses caused by foods are tracked? HuckleB Oct 2012 #149

How so? abelenkpe Oct 2012 #155

Are you kidding? HuckleB Oct 2012 #167

It won't help anyone but those who will jack up prices on "non-GMO" products. HuckleB Oct 2012 #148

"There's no evidence GM food is harmful" - except for when it causes cancer.. truebrit71 Oct 2012 #160

That preliminary study has been shown to have more holes than a screen door. HuckleB Oct 2012 #166

You believe what you choose... truebrit71 Oct 2012 #185

It's not about belief. It's about evidence. HuckleB Oct 2012 #188

Yup... truebrit71 Oct 2012 #234

Unfortunately, you are choosing to ignore the consensus of the science. HuckleB Oct 2012 #238

Yup. GMO is prefectly fine and Monsanto are pure as the driven snow.. truebrit71 Oct 2012 #244

Again, offering up meaningless red herrings does not change the scientific consensus. HuckleB Oct 2012 #250

LOL laundry_queen Oct 2012 #216

So you don't understand how science works? HuckleB Oct 2012 #219

Thanks. Took science in uni laundry_queen Oct 2012 #233

That's nice. HuckleB Oct 2012 #239

PS: EU rejects French scientist report linking GM corn to cancer Read more: http://www.nydailynews HuckleB Oct 2012 #253

The doctor in the OP isn't talking about GM crops NickB79 Oct 2012 #77

I see abelenkpe Oct 2012 #156

Lemme fix that for you... jeff47 Oct 2012 #207

This is a very interesting OP - I like the way that you posed this question yardwork Oct 2012 #65

I am taking an SSRI as well for quite some time Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #92

I think that different types of SSRIs have different side effects. yardwork Oct 2012 #173

Well, I guess that explains Honey Boo Boo... MindPilot Oct 2012 #78

ha ha - is wheat in Cheatos? nt flamingdem Oct 2012 #100

People with blood type A (AA, AO and AB) do not have natural antigens against grains. Type OO has DhhD Oct 2012 #82

I'm O- and I have no issue with wheat. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #212

I don't eat human chow (breakfast cereals) anymore marions ghost Oct 2012 #85

plus the organic kind is $5 a box now! flamingdem Oct 2012 #102

yes I see organic chow going up faster than gas in California... marions ghost Oct 2012 #120

I read Dr. Davis's book DarleenMB Oct 2012 #88

I've been following sense Oct 2012 #169

I stopped eating ALL grains 30 days ago. I have lost a significant amount of weight... truebrit71 Oct 2012 #103

My doc told me that sugar and wheat stuff should be controlled substances like heroin.... Bigmack Oct 2012 #108

I have a feeling your doc is right, gliatin or no. I think the carbs are killer. nt LittlestStar Oct 2012 #123

the doctor has a cookbook coming out on the heels of his diet book. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #109

Aarrrggh. HuckleB Oct 2012 #137

grow your own food msedano Oct 2012 #110

There's a discussion about this over here... Ian David Oct 2012 #111

+1,000,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Oct 2012 #118

Good post. It will be totally ignored. nt Codeine Oct 2012 #133

Thanks. And You're right. But I still collect my giant check as a shill for Big Wheat. n/t Ian David Oct 2012 #138

I think its worth going wheat-free for a while and see if I drop these 15 pounds off. LittlestStar Oct 2012 #114

I stopped eating wheat & most other grains after watching a video of this guy,,,, KarenS Oct 2012 #124

Is gluten the new Candida? HuckleB Oct 2012 #126

<----- that be me nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #128

If nothing else the new anti-grain trend is good to counteract flamingdem Oct 2012 #140

I don't see any of the big selling diets as doing much good. HuckleB Oct 2012 #142

Cutting out all breads tapermaker Oct 2012 #127

That's great you could turn things around! flamingdem Oct 2012 #139

Here's another Faux pas Oct 2012 #129

I very seldom buy bread and there is no sugar in my house, only Splenda. RebelOne Oct 2012 #144

Obesity and CANCER..... a kennedy Oct 2012 #145

That's because cancer kills you when nothing else does. jeff47 Oct 2012 #208

And all the skinny people are living to age 90, right? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #246

Other factors can be at play Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #264

There's one other contributing factor Retrograde Oct 2012 #151

Grainfree ananda Oct 2012 #163

Stopped eating wheat, still as fat as ever. :( tjdee Oct 2012 #176

Organic Wheat, by definition, can't be genetically engineered wheat, can it? 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #183

No it can't. wtmusic Oct 2012 #193

It can't be genetically engineered, but it can be a hybrid jeff47 Oct 2012 #209

I eat pizza. It makes me happy. Flying Squirrel Oct 2012 #201

Phys Ed was probably canceled because of high liability insurance.... WCGreen Oct 2012 #205

PE, where dropped, was to have more time to teach to the NCLB tests AND to cut staff. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #247

No, testing mania killed PE Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #259

Another quack with an MD after his name peddling a fad diet. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #214

+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Oct 2012 #220

Feed the wheat to Tribbles and see what happens to them. Recovered Repug Oct 2012 #217

That would depend on whether Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #258

I'm slowly going back to how I ate about twenty years ago... Kurovski Oct 2012 #218

You forgot one JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #285