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laundry_queen

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136. Strong and wrong will win every time.

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:51 PM

Oct 2012

It's shocking to me that most of DU doesn't see that. I always point to the leaders on the left here in Canada - they rarely apologize for their gaffes and stick to their principles, and the right 'respects' them and they are gaining in the polls. That's how the NDP (which is quite left wing) became official opposition. (well, that and brilliant marketing) LOL, ETA, not that the left in Canada is wrong, but that voters don't really care about right/wrong as much as they care about strong/weak.

As for his debate preppers - the word is (heard it yesterday, forget where) that they did a great job and had him ready to go out and defend his record, but apparently Obama's 'handlers' had a meeting with him right before and, according to this 'source', had the last word on how Obama should perform and changed the game plan. So Plouffe, Axelrod et al are responsible for this. Of course the 'source' could've been a debate prepper, lol.

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The latest battleground state and national polls are in [View all] WilliamPitt Oct 2012 OP

Since Americans appear to be stupid enough to be convinced adigal Oct 2012 #1

Months of Romney blunders reversed by one night. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #2

were jjust looking for an excuse not to vote for Obama lunasun Oct 2012 #8

Exactly. renie408 Oct 2012 #75

Part of me feels the exact same way----- Grammy23 Oct 2012 #139

I swear to god, I literally got queasy when I checked RCP tonight and renie408 Oct 2012 #144

Before you soiled yourself, did you actually look at who conducted the polls? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #155

Sometimes? cilla4progress Oct 2012 #151

I haven't heard much lately about what the President has done to save our economy? kentuck Oct 2012 #3

start with saving General Motors DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #113

President Obama saved the economy Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2012 #134

It does appear 4-5% have been swayed by ridiculous pro-Romney cheerleading in the media. reformist2 Oct 2012 #4

I would agree with you, but the president did not really defend his record. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #5

What record would that be... kentuck Oct 2012 #6

Word B2G Oct 2012 #9

well everybody's heard newblewtoo Oct 2012 #49

Gotta agree cilla4progress Oct 2012 #89

Well, Vermont is always talking about secession - adigal Oct 2012 #132

don't ever misunderestimate laruemtt Oct 2012 #122

Couldn't you qualify that to "the stupidity virgogal Oct 2012 #142

and an then analysis warrior1 Oct 2012 #7

Yep. And I think this tells us that a small but significant amount of the President's support cali Oct 2012 #10

Agreed. And if Biden blows it on Thursday B2G Oct 2012 #12

I doubt it... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #18

Yeah well, the conventional wisdom last week was that B2G Oct 2012 #25

The VP debate is being hyped ewagner Oct 2012 #56

Biden can handle it - he is an old pro at this adigal Oct 2012 #133

That's exactly what I've been saying. There was a part that was sqwishy Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #152

You could have added Gallup, but that would have taken away from your point, right? Nt speedoo Oct 2012 #11

Gallup was posted 235 times here yeasterday WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #13

Yeah, the reality that you are selling sucks. speedoo Oct 2012 #24

No, drama-queen attitudes suck... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #27

And that's where I go all the time. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #39

When do we show race tightening in New York and California? HockeyMom Oct 2012 #41

68 million is about 70% of the people that will vote. former9thward Oct 2012 #123

It also doesn't count laundry_queen Oct 2012 #135

Oh, I'm sure the OP will bring up Gallup... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #65

Do these polls reflect the latest jobs numbers? Sugarcoated Oct 2012 #14

i understand you were so diappointed in obama during the debate. you made it clear, loudly. BUT... seabeyond Oct 2012 #15

Kentuck is right B2G Oct 2012 #19

that is bullshit. then you have not been listening. why? nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #33

I guess I missed the Big Bird Bounce B2G Oct 2012 #37

You must be relying on the MSM to inform you. Mistake. CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #112

Excellent post, B2G Carolina Oct 2012 #118

Agreed...one curious point is this alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #20

Oh for Christ's sake... WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #21

So what's your point alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #26

I know, right? B2G Oct 2012 #28

I hope Will took what you said to heart, seabeyond. bigtree Oct 2012 #44

It is not Will that exaggerated. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #108

agreed... yet, seabeyond Oct 2012 #117

The problem with America DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #121

Strong and wrong will win every time. laundry_queen Oct 2012 #136

Yes,though I must ask DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #140

Oh, that was because of 2 reasons laundry_queen Oct 2012 #148

The big question here... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #16

The swing state poll that I'm most interested in is Ohio's Larkspur Oct 2012 #17

So what your saying is the ARG Ohio polls Sugarcoated Oct 2012 #22

Yep fugop Oct 2012 #35

I would find it very hard to believe Sugarcoated Oct 2012 #36

"An entire Summer and early Fall's worth of gains has been all but wiped out." kentuck Oct 2012 #23

Do people really take ARG and Siena woolldog Oct 2012 #29

Not if you don't like the results WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #32

Correction: woolldog Oct 2012 #45

If You Posted ARG During The 08 Primaries ( They Leaned Clinton) You Got Crucified DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #103

I guess you don't like survey usa? bigtree Oct 2012 #47

At same link: O: 45 R: 44 (Ohio) SurveyUSA My Pet Goat Oct 2012 #30

Rand/American Life Panel abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #53

Which is consistent with the hypothesis... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #67

I thought they were in Sebass1271 Oct 2012 #31

Who will take the trouble of deconstructing the polls to determine how Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #34

Prosense bigtree Oct 2012 #51

Do you think this is permanent? Sugarcoated Oct 2012 #38

This bump, like all others, will be short lived.....when did you become.. Joe the Revelator Oct 2012 #40

Wednesday night. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #48

I think this still has debate residue bigtree Oct 2012 #73

first of all, it's been a statistically close race all along bigtree Oct 2012 #42

Yes, because the bump isn't already fading in new polls. jeff47 Oct 2012 #43

"Wait a couple weeks, and the polls will revert." WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #52

4 < 2 (nt) jeff47 Oct 2012 #150

Good grief. You're hyping RW polls? ProSense Oct 2012 #46

I think the op is still trying to justify all of the poutrage about the debate bigtree Oct 2012 #61

Nobody is in more danger alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #63

Will Pitt is an excellent writer, poilitical strategist and observer, and a fine and decent man bigtree Oct 2012 #69

I agree with all that alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #70

Huh -- interesting obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #82

I know, right? Washington Times shows Romney leading obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #79

Two weaks ago ... GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #50

Here's something to get excited about: ProSense Oct 2012 #54

+1 bigtree Oct 2012 #64

And it could swing back the other way in a heartbeat. n/t IDoMath Oct 2012 #55

Michigan: Obama 48%, Romney 45% Romulox Oct 2012 #57

Exciting: ProSense Oct 2012 #59

To be clear, the numbers I posted are from EPIC's latest poll. Prosense is confused. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #66

I take ProSense's point to be that EPIC polling has alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #68

Right, but that ignores a lot of detail. Michigan was thought to be "out of play" during the time Romulox Oct 2012 #71

Obama is still up ProSense Oct 2012 #78

LOL. A stunning level of analysis with someone OBVIOUSLY familiar with the facts! nt Romulox Oct 2012 #84

Maybe alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #83

No, Michigan wasn't "always going to be in play". A month ago, the story was that PACS pulled their Romulox Oct 2012 #90

So the PACS and Romney are putting money back in? alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #93

Haven't seen a big write up, but the commercials have begun again, yes... nt Romulox Oct 2012 #98

Fair enough, then it's in play alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #102

I guess the sarcasm confused you. ProSense Oct 2012 #72

Indeed it did, since Michigan being "in play" is a big change from the recent past. Romulox Oct 2012 #76

No, the ProSense Oct 2012 #80

My first post to this thread: "Michigan: Obama 48%, Romney 45%" Romulox Oct 2012 #97

I don't think it's any accident that all these "polls" abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #58

So, now we think attacking the polls is OK? renie408 Oct 2012 #81

If the polls are as screwed up as the last Pew poll, yes. Is that a problem? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #156

Do you guys read Nate Silver? meadowlark5 Oct 2012 #60

+1 bigtree Oct 2012 #62

I think it is time for me to stick my head in the sand..or throw up. renie408 Oct 2012 #74

Just don't do it at the same time. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #109

WASHINGTON TIMES poll? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #77

How about the Pew Research Center poll that has Romney up by 4? renie408 Oct 2012 #86

I didn't know you and Will Pitt cowrote the OP obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #88

You missed the "Zogby" part WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #96

No, I didn't obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #99

Do yourself a favor and check out Pew demographics catbyte Oct 2012 #95

That does it ... I'm staying home. Doesn't matter any way. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #85

lol obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #92

I'm going back to hating this country get the red out Oct 2012 #87

DU people are SO going to freak out when Gallup comes out Shivering Jemmy Oct 2012 #91

Do tell why DU will freak out and need to get a grip obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #101

Sure Shivering Jemmy Oct 2012 #105

and you, honeypie, need to not be telling people what to do. cali Oct 2012 #104

*shrugs* Shivering Jemmy Oct 2012 #107

shrug away, pumpkin cali Oct 2012 #128

Luckily this can be turned around starting Thursday night and with WI_DEM Oct 2012 #94

Thanks marions ghost Oct 2012 #119

Oh well. People are fickle. Four weeks is a long time, though. TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #100

This post really depresses me and I'm not sure exactly why. Maybe it's coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #106

A 1964 Landslide Was Never In The Cards. What Led You To Believe Obama Could Get 62% Of The Vote? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #114

Well, there for a time I believed Romney was on track to alienate every demographic other coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #158

If The Republicans Keep Alienating People Of Color DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #159

They have to make it look close B Calm Oct 2012 #110

Get a grip, Will. n/t K Gardner Oct 2012 #111

+1. Chorophyll Oct 2012 #127

+2. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #154

This is exactly why Carolina Oct 2012 #115

We don't need another Hero marions ghost Oct 2012 #120

We do need a HERO! Carolina Oct 2012 #126

Have you noticed it's a different world now? marions ghost Oct 2012 #130

have you noticed he put the crooks Carolina Oct 2012 #137

You'll see changes in a second term marions ghost Oct 2012 #146

self delete because of duplication Carolina Oct 2012 #116

And leave it to you to gleefully, eagerly, cliffordu Oct 2012 #124

Derp WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #125

Your constant, relentless, breathless reposting of every negative item written cliffordu Oct 2012 #129

I hope ALL Democrats understand - America likes what it perceives as fighters. calimary Oct 2012 #131

I don't buy that entirely marions ghost Oct 2012 #143

I predict that Ryan will behave the same as Romney and the media will portray him as that fighter, AlinPA Oct 2012 #145

A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird deaniac21 Oct 2012 #138

New CNN Ohio poll Obama up by 4 with Likely voters, 10 among registered voters WI_DEM Oct 2012 #141

Freak Out DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #147

How would either candidate do if they were to actually have a real debate? acdrug1135 Oct 2012 #149

Seriously??.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #153

Well you did your part. gulliver Oct 2012 #157