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renie408

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105. At the risk of being eviscerated, this is a separate argument.

Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:56 PM

Oct 2012

The other thread stated plain facts and drew no conclusions, other than that an entire season's worth of gains had been wiped out; which is true. This thread is an observation on the reactions to people who make statements of fact which do not put a positive spin on the current Democratic prospects.

They are two related, but different, subjects. At least in my view. I think that the reactions to WilliamPitt's other thread are very interesting. From people who deny the accuracy of the polls, something we were all laughing at Republicans for doing just a week ago, to people who are angry and assume that stating the obvious is traitorous, to those who are in despair. I confess to being in the dazed and despairing camp. I find it appalling how little it took to turn people away from Obama.

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I'm apparently a terrible, awful person. [View all] WilliamPitt Oct 2012 OP

You can wet your pants, but I'm biting my nails. sinkingfeeling Oct 2012 #1

Me too! abelenkpe Oct 2012 #83

What nails? peace frog Oct 2012 #107

Tooth grinder, here. Ship of Fools Oct 2012 #168

Nails are for wusses Janecita Oct 2012 #175

the unspeakable sin of posting anything that isn't good news. cali Oct 2012 #2

I once read about a CEO who said the most valuable person in his company Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #25

Fiction, I presume. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #66

LOL! merrily Oct 2012 #162

***SNICKER*** Earth Bound Misfit Oct 2012 #176

or just really aching for attention as of late.... Joe the Revelator Oct 2012 #3

^^^ This ^^^ WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #5

How about making less posts about the plight of William Pitt.... Joe the Revelator Oct 2012 #68

It's interesting how "moderate Democrats" rely on personal attacks like yours MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #118

Frankly, it's interesting that your schtick has lasted as long as it has. Joe the Revelator Oct 2012 #132

And what schtick would that be? MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #135

Being a Democrat with the guts to face reality, is a 'schtick' now? How so? I thought sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #194

I noticed that about Republicans. merrily Oct 2012 #165

Self serving, hmm... davidthegnome Oct 2012 #185

Will...just ignore them Marrah_G Oct 2012 #153

+1 JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #179

you couldn't just settle this in the other thread, with the folks who bothered to respond to you? bigtree Oct 2012 #4

" with the floks who bothered to respomd to you" WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #6

the ridicule for a typo is just wrong, Will bigtree Oct 2012 #8

I legitimately didn't know what you were talking about. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #12

carrying on an argument from another thread used to be something that was frowned on here bigtree Oct 2012 #18

What thread are you referring to? WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #26

ha! bigtree Oct 2012 #52

Seriously? WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #53

yep, seriously bigtree Oct 2012 #58

this one SemperEadem Oct 2012 #54

Your standards are brutal. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #59

dont' act brand new SemperEadem Oct 2012 #102

1+ K Gardner Oct 2012 #49

At the risk of being eviscerated, this is a separate argument. renie408 Oct 2012 #105

It's a attention thing with the DoomSayers DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #11

^^^ This ^^^ WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #15

You've figured all that out in 3 weeks? nt laundry_queen Oct 2012 #113

A careful observer wouldn't even need three days DemocratsForProgress Oct 2012 #125

Whatever you say. nt laundry_queen Oct 2012 #129

Of course I hadn't allowed for the possibility that DemocratsForProgress Oct 2012 #140

^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^ Joe the Revelator Oct 2012 #71

There they go again DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #7

^^^ This ^^^ WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #9

Nope not this again truth of the matter DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #17

Good Lord... WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #24

then why make another thread? DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #32

I've read some very glowing remarks from you about the President, fwiw bigtree Oct 2012 #38

Not disagreeing with anything anyone says. Just pointing out all of us have something at risk. merrily Oct 2012 #166

Posters who don't share your opinions are welcome to express their thoughts on DU.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #22

It's annoying that they come after people for posting reality. MessiahRp Oct 2012 #86

Well said. russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #94

Thank you! peace frog Oct 2012 #111

Has Biden made many gaffes during debates? merrily Oct 2012 #167

What he said. renie408 Oct 2012 #115

Thank you, Messia. kurtzapril4 Oct 2012 #146

Yes...nt dougolat Oct 2012 #155

I did not 'watch' the debate proper, as I am too broke to afford the TV set coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #187

A reality check is a *good* thing quinnox Oct 2012 #10

Exactly! nt Mojorabbit Oct 2012 #44

Right on peace frog Oct 2012 #112

+1 laundry_queen Oct 2012 #117

I'm right there with you Glitterati Oct 2012 #13

but thats precisely the problem. the debate performance Solomon Oct 2012 #97

How about we focus on making our focus on the arguments? HuckleB Oct 2012 #14

I'm glad I was your favorite alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #16

What post are you referring to? WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #19

Aw, man... alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #51

That was certainly an I-told-you-so-post. speedoo Oct 2012 #116

You are in good company Will. B2G Oct 2012 #20

If you think the sky is falling is a dose of reality then keep it DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #21

People couldn't say enough nice things about the President BEFORE the debate.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #29

Which is why I can understand one night of it DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #35

The President has a nice haircut TrogL Oct 2012 #41

Let's take a deep breath and not be hysterical. Gallup has some good WI_DEM Oct 2012 #23

Calling a rational post "hysterical" is, in itself, an example of hysteria. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #28

Oh brother it appears you didn't bother to read anything I wrote WI_DEM Oct 2012 #37

I'm thinking Obama is going to be fine in spite of all the doomsaying. Cleita Oct 2012 #27

ATTENTION ALL KMART SHOPPERS: cliffordu Oct 2012 #30

Thanks for the kick WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #39

I happen to be one that disagrees that the President fucked up. zeemike Oct 2012 #60

Thanks for "Kitten Laser Debate Tactic" dougolat Oct 2012 #157

The Greeks didn't like it when Cassandra told the truth either LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #31

Cassandra told the Greek truths they could act on alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #42

Cassandra was Trojan tama Oct 2012 #64

Well, no wonder they didn't listen to her. Fucking Trojans, I hate their kind. Bucky Oct 2012 #89

Why? tama Oct 2012 #95

I was talking about Bucky Oct 2012 #148

Away from me tama Oct 2012 #154

* Bucky Oct 2012 #197

Excatly :) tama Oct 2012 #198

The truth to be acted upon is that the President needs to change his approach both now and in the LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #67

No, Cassandra was cursed to prophesy the future but not be believed NoPasaran Oct 2012 #87

Cassandra-syndrom tama Oct 2012 #98

Yes, but her prophesies could be acted on alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #99

Could be, perhaps tama Oct 2012 #161

Will, I get what you are saying, and this race is a lot closer than I'd like to see right now. davsand Oct 2012 #33

It is a bad day for the polls today. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #34

They had an unenthusiastic, demoralized base. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #36

No you're not. It's not your fault that there are so many people in the ethersphere patrice Oct 2012 #40

People are anxious and acting out their frustrations on all sides. nt AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #43

Solidarity!, WilliamPitt. nt patrice Oct 2012 #45

Come on Will, you've been around here long enough to know hughee99 Oct 2012 #46

I support Obama 100%. I do think he made some good points in the debate. Unfortunately southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #47

We also can't afford it. I just want to see the new strategy at work. Then I'll calm down. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #48

Pointing out isn't a crime but I think we all seem to be obsessing about it. LynneSin Oct 2012 #50

No, you're not. But here's the thing Blaukraut Oct 2012 #55

agree totally... the season's not over but we're down two games in the standings with three to play WestWisconsinDem Oct 2012 #56

Actually I think we're still up 2 games in the standings LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #70

You're Likable Enough DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #57

Depends. (eom) chknltl Oct 2012 #61

I have never voted GOP in my life and probably never will. iandhr Oct 2012 #62

Delusional thinking is not pretty, especially when it's people on our side. dawg Oct 2012 #63

Internet drama is internet drama AngryAmish Oct 2012 #65

Well, zen. merrily Oct 2012 #169

Maybe what is so frustrating is that it is clear that this change from pre-debate Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #69

I agree with you 100%. mlevans Oct 2012 #72

I know for a fact if we see a repeat of 2004 Generic Other Oct 2012 #73

God yes. And that's why being realistic is more important right now than living in fantasyland MessiahRp Oct 2012 #90

Don't let the weak kneed nellies get your knickers in a twist. MissMarple Oct 2012 #74

The process of critical thinking is what seems to be a crime, these days... countryjake Oct 2012 #75

Closing your eyes, biting your tongure, and holding your nose, is required to prove your loyalty. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #76

Not at all... liberalmuse Oct 2012 #77

You couldn't be a "terrible, awful person" if you tried ailsagirl Oct 2012 #78

You of all people around here I expected a more reasoned and - dare I say it - "balanced"... truebrit71 Oct 2012 #79

Your last sentence could have been mine. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #195

Discussing the debate from a different perspective chowder66 Oct 2012 #80

JOIN THE CLUB.... Iggy Oct 2012 #81

Don't you get it? yodermon Oct 2012 #82

For what it's worth, I agree with everything you've said in this thread. BlueJazz Oct 2012 #84

My problem isn't with the.... one_voice Oct 2012 #85

Lighten up, Francis. Bucky Oct 2012 #88

perspective stklurker Oct 2012 #91

You are not a "terrible, awful person". You're William Pitt. David Zephyr Oct 2012 #92

What David Zephyr said ailsagirl Oct 2012 #106

Best post in the thread alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #109

Well said! derby378 Oct 2012 #199

My eyes are wide-open, but there's a sizeable group here who can't process bad news DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #93

Everybody knows it was bad... WI_DEM Oct 2012 #96

That's not really true ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #134

Whining doesn't help K8-EEE Oct 2012 #100

+1000 I think the downers should do so to their family in the outside world, not on a public board graham4anything Oct 2012 #103

Many of us are considered trolls now Oilwellian Oct 2012 #101

You got that right. The thing is: We used to be called ''Democrat'' for what we believe in. Octafish Oct 2012 #104

Octafish, you are a master Oilwellian Oct 2012 #150

+1. strange days indeed. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #159

Re: Being a Democrat "for what we believe in" versus party label: woo me with science Oct 2012 #193

+10000 renie408 Oct 2012 #108

(((hug))) WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #136

Hugs back at ya! Oh, and... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #149

Yup. This McCarthyistic garbage is a despicable tactic. woo me with science Oct 2012 #192

I'm with you, William... markpkessinger Oct 2012 #110

Been there, Will. I can relate... ClusterFreak Oct 2012 #114

You might want to get some Depends. We've still got four weeks to go. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #119

whatever, Mr. Pitt. Whisp Oct 2012 #120

I dunno, Bill, most polls I've seen recently say that Obama's still ahead...... AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #121

Mr. Pitt, I think you are just telling it like it is. Denninmi Oct 2012 #122

I disagree with you but appreciate your posting. The debates and the election rhett o rick Oct 2012 #123

Hear, hear, Will! woo me with science Oct 2012 #124

Time to pledge your allegiance to the cakewalk theory of reelection. hay rick Oct 2012 #126

I can only laugh at the premise that is "Will Pitt is a troll" flvegan Oct 2012 #127

There's a little troll inside all of us tama Oct 2012 #186

That's the Spirit! Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #190

Yeah but what else is new. wtmusic Oct 2012 #128

I watched the live feeds al-Jazeera was broadcasting Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #130

I think you are on to something. I think his remarks, especially, 4 years from now we will not be demgrrrll Oct 2012 #158

Distracted by a conference call about Syria-Turkey?..nt dougolat Oct 2012 #160

There is an "Obama must stop being Obama" aspect to this that bothers me. McCamy Taylor Oct 2012 #131

I respectfully disagree. kurtzapril4 Oct 2012 #147

word up frylock Oct 2012 #133

Reality can be a motherfucker. But I'd rather have it than make-believe. Taverner Oct 2012 #137

Feeling a bit queasy and 'wetting my pants', also. madmax Oct 2012 #138

It's important that we recognize our faults. JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #139

You could take action and register people to vote, or get on the phone banks. Zalatix Oct 2012 #141

I want my party back too upi402 Oct 2012 #142

It's odd here lately. H2O Man Oct 2012 #143

Thank you, old friend. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #145

I have always respected your opinion Generic Brad Oct 2012 #144

I'm with you. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #151

were you actually surprised by the reaction? ibegurpard Oct 2012 #152

Bookmarking JHB Oct 2012 #156

In Will Veritas. VOX Oct 2012 #163

Some days I swear some people just got beamed here and missed the 2004 election. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2012 #164

We still have people claiming the debate was a secret victory and that geek tragedy Oct 2012 #170

I felt obliged to delete an OP the other day, I was called all sorts of names, I have never secondwind Oct 2012 #171

I'm sorry that happened to you Oilwellian Oct 2012 #184

I too experienced that. I am 67 year old, lifelong democrat, onecent Oct 2012 #196

On the bright side, soon the media will move on to the Biden-Ryan debate. merrily Oct 2012 #172

For whatever the reason, Obama,,,, SmittynMo Oct 2012 #173

The MSM is a very cruel joke on this nation Pakid Oct 2012 #174

We wish they were a joke Doctor_J Oct 2012 #180

Rec'ing the OP AND these daggers fired at Will Doctor_J Oct 2012 #177

"I'm apparently a terrible, awful person." blackspade Oct 2012 #178

WP JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #181

No, I think you are a realist. Safetykitten Oct 2012 #182

Here's my take on the debate... Flatulo Oct 2012 #183

You're not so terrible davidthegnome Oct 2012 #188

Face It WilliamPitt otohara Oct 2012 #189

I think you should know, William. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #191