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Abq_Sarah

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222. Grains aren't necessary unless you literally have nothing else to eat
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:38 PM
Oct 2012

I've spent the last decade grain free on a moderate protein, high fat diet. Lots of eggs, avocado, full fat yogurt, beef, pork, chicken, fish and for the minimal carbs I eat, green leafy vegetables, nuts and occasional berries. At 50, I'm in better health, and more importantly, I feel better than I have since I was a kid. I wish I'd know that grains aren't an essential part of a healthy diet 30 years ago.

Who knows if the claims are true flamingdem Oct 2012 #1
better yet JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #4
It's good! femrap Oct 2012 #32
Yes, but depending on who I listen to Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #6
It's not wheat and it tastes better than wheat pasta flamingdem Oct 2012 #15
Spelt contains just as much gluten and gliadin as standard wheat muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #60
I don't think that I have a gluten problem, but I'm concerned about the flamingdem Oct 2012 #62
It's been altered by genetic research for thousands of years muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #79
So the question is whether some grains are easier on the digestion flamingdem Oct 2012 #86
That's not quite true ... DarleenMB Oct 2012 #90
Yes, Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #99
It stimulates your appetite sense Oct 2012 #136
basically inedible? oh really? that's funny since it's the world's more widely cultivated grain & HiPointDem Oct 2012 #104
Hang on, you think it's not true that wheat has been changed for thousands of years muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #131
The wheat is the product of old-fashioned Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #97
The change made in the 60s was called the semi-dwarf gene. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #134
There you go again Retrograde Oct 2012 #143
Thanks for the nice words but I have to disagree on the pasta..... yellowcanine Oct 2012 #161
Already did that. Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #95
it's wheat. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #96
You forgot FAT. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #16
Spelt has gluten nt K8-EEE Oct 2012 #27
And you are left with ... DarleenMB Oct 2012 #89
Love my Paleo diet truebrit71 Oct 2012 #107
Yep, this is how I'm eating now. Rainngirl Oct 2012 #113
Absolutely! sense Oct 2012 #141
You're probably being atacked by the vehement vegans--there are a flock of them here. diane in sf Oct 2012 #153
Thanks for the suggestion. sense Oct 2012 #280
I cut all grains, legumes and dairy in July. Shanti Mama Oct 2012 #223
Ideally I'd cut all of the above with the exception of meat occasionally. gateley Oct 2012 #154
2 delux's(?) and an order of fries please. Smickey Oct 2012 #270
I had just returned to Seattle for my niece's wedding after living in NC for three years. gateley Oct 2012 #272
spelt is wheat and has gliadin. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #93
Pasta is made from durum wheat, which has gluten but so does spelt. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #147
Or shirataki (noodles made from konnyaku) REP Oct 2012 #192
Trial and Error JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #2
You are not being flippant at all Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #9
You might be interested in this TEDTalk from Dr. Terry Wahls... drokhole Oct 2012 #31
Thank you very much for the link Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #76
You're welcome! drokhole Oct 2012 #172
I was a fat child and probably femrap Oct 2012 #47
My mother In laws JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #232
So I should be femrap Oct 2012 #290
Even better! JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #291
I just joined femrap Oct 2012 #292
Does you Dr. say it's necessary to have some kind of grain product? flamingdem Oct 2012 #17
You do not need grains at all DarleenMB Oct 2012 #94
Grains aren't necessary unless you literally have nothing else to eat Abq_Sarah Oct 2012 #222
meat also isn't necessary. neither are eggs, avocado, yogurt, etc. in fact, as many people who HiPointDem Oct 2012 #227
You are saying that diet helps your R.A.? I wonder if it would help fibromyalgia. LittlestStar Oct 2012 #117
One of my friends who sense Oct 2012 #132
Wow that is such good news! I have been so worried about her, only 65 and so sick with LittlestStar Oct 2012 #171
My friend is 63. sense Oct 2012 #184
Meh. Bread and pasta are staples in my house, and TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #3
Doesn't mean you wouldn't be better off without it. Jester Messiah Oct 2012 #10
I'm Italian. You might as well ask Asians to give up rice, or Mexicans TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #12
I'm Scottish and Irish mostly and OriginalGeek Oct 2012 #19
Yep, pizza night isn't going anywhere in my household. I also have TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #22
The answer is using other strains of wheat BlueToTheBone Oct 2012 #40
I doubt I'll ever learn to make anything from any kind of wheat OriginalGeek Oct 2012 #130
This message was self-deleted by its author HiPointDem Oct 2012 #164
I'm Irish-Italian, and I'm a carbohydrate addict! This thread is very educational and inspirational! WinkyDink Oct 2012 #200
That's true ... if you're talking about bread and pasta made with white flour, i.e. wallpaper paste. Doremus Oct 2012 #46
I believe it, as I know many people who don't eat wheat.... cbdo2007 Oct 2012 #5
try to eat food in its whole state if you must do processed then try to do alternate grains+organic lunasun Oct 2012 #7
Another sensible idea Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #11
"diabetic nation coming" shanti Oct 2012 #48
Organic Wheat, by definition, can't be genetically engineered wheat, can it? ~nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #182
No Richard D Oct 2012 #279
start by avoiding the center aisles at the store - fresh foods are on the perimeter. piratefish08 Oct 2012 #8
Yeah, I noticed that Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #45
We've always done most of the cooking on the weekends and japple Oct 2012 #59
We are having a discussion in my home Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #105
Excellent advice (IMO), with one exception, hardy veggies (squash, broccoli, snap peas, etc). Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #70
Sheesh. I had no idea that wheat had changed mzmolly Oct 2012 #13
Well the claim that it did is not verified by good science. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #35
I tend to agree with you mzmolly Oct 2012 #37
Exercise and limit caloric intake? That's just crazy talk. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #41
Yes it is. Much easier to just quit eating wheat. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #101
Actually, quite a number of researchers have demonstrated pnwmom Oct 2012 #49
"there are people with gliadin sensitivity who do not have classic celiac." No one says otherwise. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #81
People with gluten sensitivity and Celiac are having an antibody response that cannot be managed pnwmom Oct 2012 #165
What's your take on gluten sensitivity/allergy? nt wtmusic Oct 2012 #58
I think I gave my take. It occurs. It is a continuum. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #84
Hence my skepticism with the article Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #106
Yellowcanine Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #174
Agronomy/crop science. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #178
I didn't think so Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #249
it hasn't. flour in grandma's day had plenty of gliadin -- else her bread wouldn't have risen. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #116
I've come to that conclusion after doing research. mzmolly Oct 2012 #119
What I keep trying to tell people, gluten/gliadin is needed for good bread. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #150
+1. You need to *add* gluten if you're making whole wheat bread, unless you want a door stop. n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #157
i LOVE fresh bread Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #177
Fresh skillet corn bread with butter and honey, omg. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #179
I avoid it, for food allergies reasons nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #14
"There should be peer reviewed studies......." There are. They do not support the faddists. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #42
That one study doesn't support gluten abstinence as weight loss device. pnwmom Oct 2012 #51
Yes it is only one study which is ONE MORE than the gluten free faddists can point to. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #71
Unless people are producing antibodies to an ingredient in beans, pnwmom Oct 2012 #162
10% is a relatively small number though. About 75% of the world has some lactose intolerance, for yellowcanine Oct 2012 #175
10% is a very significant number. Twenty years ago, they thought only about 1 American in 4500 pnwmom Oct 2012 #180
they just don't know why people are more susceptible now. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #241
No, it's more than that. I'm curious why it is important to you to be so dismissive pnwmom Oct 2012 #281
Please don't question my motives. I disagree with you and I have given my reasons which are based yellowcanine Oct 2012 #282
That's not what you said before. pnwmom Oct 2012 #284
Wow you do like to quibble. Gluten sensitivity is real, but yellowcanine Oct 2012 #287
MOST people are not following a gluten free diet, and the fraction that do pnwmom Oct 2012 #288
No but Dr. Wheat Belly thinks they should. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #289
Actually we have seen an increase in Celiacs and Chrons nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #72
We have seen an increase because of better diagnosis. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #122
My brother works with Chrohns nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #125
"there is something in the food we eat, that wasn't there" yellowcanine Oct 2012 #158
gmo comes often nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #198
GMO wheat? There are no commercial GMO wheat varieties released. None. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #203
Check with Montsanto nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #210
No - you switched topics. There are no commercial GMO wheat varieties. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #213
Try to pay attention nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #221
We were talking about wheat and gluten so that was the reference point yellowcanine Oct 2012 #235
when i said talk to monsanto nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #236
It is hard to follow you when you don't complete thoughts. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #237
ok, complete though nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #240
"Something is up but try to find the funding...." yellowcanine Oct 2012 #242
And what i am telling you is that there is something extra in food nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #243
So do you work for the grain industry? DarleenMB Oct 2012 #98
Wow. Take cheap shots much? yellowcanine Oct 2012 #112
It's not a food fad. sense Oct 2012 #146
"if changing the way we eat results in better health....." yellowcanine Oct 2012 #170
I think Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #186
You seem like a very reasonable person. sense Oct 2012 #194
Internet discussions have a tendency to bring out our pat answers to things Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #268
that's funny coming from the person who wrote this post demonstrating lack of knowledge HiPointDem Oct 2012 #121
Not a fair question Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #181
Tri and tetrasaccharides contain galactose, and no human has the enzyme beta-galactosidase-- eridani Oct 2012 #231
OK, gliadin may stimulate the appetite, but... TreasonousBastard Oct 2012 #18
Good info - thanks for doing the research! OriginalGeek Oct 2012 #23
There is also gliaden in spelt, one of the other so called "primitive wheats" the gluten-free yellowcanine Oct 2012 #52
trial and error magical thyme Oct 2012 #20
Another good technique is to wrap fillings in lettuce leaves. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #38
appetite/cravings is a very complicated thing. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #211
It can be very difficult to change dietary habits, particularly long-term. closeupready Oct 2012 #21
This guy has his science utterly and completely wrong jeff47 Oct 2012 #24
Very interesting 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #26
+1,000 ... HuckleB Oct 2012 #135
+1. though (some) varieties of wheat have been bred for increased gluten. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #115
Thanks! Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #187
Usually you can start at wikipedia. jeff47 Oct 2012 #202
True, I went there Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #251
If you're correct then people with celiac could eat unkneaded wheat products...and they can't TheCruces Oct 2012 #283
This is basic chemistry, not opinion. jeff47 Oct 2012 #286
Well yeah, reducing carbohydrate intake is a good idea 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #25
I bought the Nook version of that book K8-EEE Oct 2012 #29
WTF are you talking about? jeff47 Oct 2012 #34
I'm talking about science 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #39
Sure, if you want a Paleolithic life expectancy of 33 years wtmusic Oct 2012 #55
Life expectancies actually dropped after we figured out agriculture 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #61
Life expectancies dropped after we started sitting on our asses. wtmusic Oct 2012 #66
It's not quite that simple 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #73
The neolithic revolution has little in common with modern diet wtmusic Oct 2012 #75
Actually if you look at the food ratios most people enjoy 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #87
From your link: wtmusic Oct 2012 #91
life expectancies dropped because of larger, more settled (and more unequal) populations & HiPointDem Oct 2012 #228
And a monoculture based diet 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #245
yes, people have historically gotten shorter as they started living in cities, because cities HiPointDem Oct 2012 #276
"Common wheat was first domesticated in Western Asia during the early Holocene...." HiPointDem Oct 2012 #159
You can feel that way if you like 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #168
nothing to do with how i 'feel'. i'm fairly sure i've read more nutrition studies than most people HiPointDem Oct 2012 #226
So I post from NCBI 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #248
just the first link i came upon that stated the fact (which i already knew from graduate HiPointDem Oct 2012 #273
"If evolution is real why are there still monkeys?" ????? yellowcanine Oct 2012 #256
Not really a joke. Well maybe, sorta 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #263
Well, some cynical types Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #189
the pyramid (which is no longer a pyramid, btw) is published under the auspices of usda, but it's HiPointDem Oct 2012 #197
"Upon release of the guidelines, the cattle, egg, and dairy industries went ballistic." 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #252
wait, i thought it was the 'grain lobbyists' writing these things? now it's the 'meat lobbyists"? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #266
In that case it was 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #269
you really don't know much about the extensive process that leads to the creation of us nutrition HiPointDem Oct 2012 #278
Here's how you're getting the science wrong jeff47 Oct 2012 #204
I decided to try wheat-free for 3 weeks, still at it 3 months later K8-EEE Oct 2012 #28
nothing wrong with that. but why the need for false claims to sell a diet that 'works'? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #229
I agree Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #254
In the preface to his "The End of Overeating", Doctor David Kessler hedgehog Oct 2012 #30
What happened in 1988? waddirum Oct 2012 #191
Well, isn't that the question? If there was an abrupt rise in obesity, there hedgehog Oct 2012 #199
There is also the need Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #255
I think it's pretty clear why americans are heavier on average than in the past: they eat more & HiPointDem Oct 2012 #230
And even then, the question remains Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #257
because food was more readily available. just like dogs eat more when they get more food. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #262
True, Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #265
capitalism. but regardless of why food is more readily available, the simple explanation of taking HiPointDem Oct 2012 #267
I think there is concern Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #271
i agree that cultural/societal factors are in play, and that people are concerned about additives HiPointDem Oct 2012 #274
There is a very intersting observation of lab animals, well worth further investigation hedgehog Oct 2012 #275
"This is an interesting collection of data, but it's very difficult to interpret them," HiPointDem Oct 2012 #277
I live for that poison. wtmusic Oct 2012 #33
yes that and "supersizing" demokatgurrl Oct 2012 #64
Absolutely - to sell more food, just redefine what a "normal" portion is wtmusic Oct 2012 #68
I agree. HappyMe Oct 2012 #83
You don't need carbs. sense Oct 2012 #152
OK. wtmusic Oct 2012 #190
I believe you. sense Oct 2012 #195
There's also a wide range of glycemic indices within carbs. wtmusic Oct 2012 #196
You need carbs. jeff47 Oct 2012 #206
yes it is and that is why laundry_queen Oct 2012 #215
Your brain likes glucose but it's not the sole source of fuel Abq_Sarah Oct 2012 #224
Sure, if you're not particularly fond of your liver. jeff47 Oct 2012 #225
Please site sense Oct 2012 #261
Actually your sense Oct 2012 #260
You might read catrose Oct 2012 #36
Good Calories, Bad Calories is sense Oct 2012 #57
Our pizza secret catrose Oct 2012 #69
This 'new' protein was first noted in wheat in 1830 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #43
<<What does one eat to be healthy?>> abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #44
"Grains and processed sugars are generally foods of an ancient army...." yellowcanine Oct 2012 #67
If the gliadin protein Seedersandleechers Oct 2012 #50
If this were true, if there were really opiates in wheat... MindPilot Oct 2012 #74
I have never heard this before, but I have lost 25 pounds in the last 6 months by NC_Nurse Oct 2012 #53
A protein that's an opiate? KamaAina Oct 2012 #54
Genetically modified food should be labeled so people can make more informed decisions abelenkpe Oct 2012 #56
OK, but there's no evidence GM food is harmful. wtmusic Oct 2012 #63
Can't track evidence one way or another abelenkpe Oct 2012 #80
How do you think illnesses caused by foods are tracked? HuckleB Oct 2012 #149
How so? abelenkpe Oct 2012 #155
Are you kidding? HuckleB Oct 2012 #167
It won't help anyone but those who will jack up prices on "non-GMO" products. HuckleB Oct 2012 #148
"There's no evidence GM food is harmful" - except for when it causes cancer.. truebrit71 Oct 2012 #160
That preliminary study has been shown to have more holes than a screen door. HuckleB Oct 2012 #166
You believe what you choose... truebrit71 Oct 2012 #185
It's not about belief. It's about evidence. HuckleB Oct 2012 #188
Yup... truebrit71 Oct 2012 #234
Unfortunately, you are choosing to ignore the consensus of the science. HuckleB Oct 2012 #238
Yup. GMO is prefectly fine and Monsanto are pure as the driven snow.. truebrit71 Oct 2012 #244
Again, offering up meaningless red herrings does not change the scientific consensus. HuckleB Oct 2012 #250
LOL laundry_queen Oct 2012 #216
So you don't understand how science works? HuckleB Oct 2012 #219
Thanks. Took science in uni laundry_queen Oct 2012 #233
That's nice. HuckleB Oct 2012 #239
PS: EU rejects French scientist report linking GM corn to cancer Read more: http://www.nydailynews HuckleB Oct 2012 #253
The doctor in the OP isn't talking about GM crops NickB79 Oct 2012 #77
I see abelenkpe Oct 2012 #156
Lemme fix that for you... jeff47 Oct 2012 #207
This is a very interesting OP - I like the way that you posed this question yardwork Oct 2012 #65
I am taking an SSRI as well for quite some time Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #92
I think that different types of SSRIs have different side effects. yardwork Oct 2012 #173
Well, I guess that explains Honey Boo Boo... MindPilot Oct 2012 #78
ha ha - is wheat in Cheatos? nt flamingdem Oct 2012 #100
People with blood type A (AA, AO and AB) do not have natural antigens against grains. Type OO has DhhD Oct 2012 #82
I'm O- and I have no issue with wheat. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #212
I don't eat human chow (breakfast cereals) anymore marions ghost Oct 2012 #85
plus the organic kind is $5 a box now! flamingdem Oct 2012 #102
yes I see organic chow going up faster than gas in California... marions ghost Oct 2012 #120
I read Dr. Davis's book DarleenMB Oct 2012 #88
I've been following sense Oct 2012 #169
I stopped eating ALL grains 30 days ago. I have lost a significant amount of weight... truebrit71 Oct 2012 #103
My doc told me that sugar and wheat stuff should be controlled substances like heroin.... Bigmack Oct 2012 #108
I have a feeling your doc is right, gliatin or no. I think the carbs are killer. nt LittlestStar Oct 2012 #123
the doctor has a cookbook coming out on the heels of his diet book. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #109
Aarrrggh. HuckleB Oct 2012 #137
grow your own food msedano Oct 2012 #110
There's a discussion about this over here... Ian David Oct 2012 #111
+1,000,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Oct 2012 #118
Good post. It will be totally ignored. nt Codeine Oct 2012 #133
Thanks. And You're right. But I still collect my giant check as a shill for Big Wheat. n/t Ian David Oct 2012 #138
I think its worth going wheat-free for a while and see if I drop these 15 pounds off. LittlestStar Oct 2012 #114
I stopped eating wheat & most other grains after watching a video of this guy,,,, KarenS Oct 2012 #124
Is gluten the new Candida? HuckleB Oct 2012 #126
<----- that be me nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #128
If nothing else the new anti-grain trend is good to counteract flamingdem Oct 2012 #140
I don't see any of the big selling diets as doing much good. HuckleB Oct 2012 #142
Cutting out all breads tapermaker Oct 2012 #127
That's great you could turn things around! flamingdem Oct 2012 #139
Here's another Faux pas Oct 2012 #129
I very seldom buy bread and there is no sugar in my house, only Splenda. RebelOne Oct 2012 #144
Obesity and CANCER..... a kennedy Oct 2012 #145
That's because cancer kills you when nothing else does. jeff47 Oct 2012 #208
And all the skinny people are living to age 90, right? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #246
Other factors can be at play Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #264
There's one other contributing factor Retrograde Oct 2012 #151
Grainfree ananda Oct 2012 #163
Stopped eating wheat, still as fat as ever. :( tjdee Oct 2012 #176
Organic Wheat, by definition, can't be genetically engineered wheat, can it? 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #183
No it can't. wtmusic Oct 2012 #193
It can't be genetically engineered, but it can be a hybrid jeff47 Oct 2012 #209
I eat pizza. It makes me happy. Flying Squirrel Oct 2012 #201
Phys Ed was probably canceled because of high liability insurance.... WCGreen Oct 2012 #205
PE, where dropped, was to have more time to teach to the NCLB tests AND to cut staff. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #247
No, testing mania killed PE Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #259
Another quack with an MD after his name peddling a fad diet. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #214
+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Oct 2012 #220
Feed the wheat to Tribbles and see what happens to them. Recovered Repug Oct 2012 #217
That would depend on whether Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #258
I'm slowly going back to how I ate about twenty years ago... Kurovski Oct 2012 #218
You forgot one JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #285
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