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Mike 03

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14. FWIW, here's an interesting article from "The Forward", a Jewish-American organization
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 04:43 PM
Feb 2021

The Secret Jewish History Of ‘Lord Of The Rings’

Tolkien, a devout Catholic who engaged in vigorous theological discussion with C.S. Lewis, a Christian apologist with a Jewish wife, did more than simply rebuff a publisher who overreached. He rejected an invitation to visit Germany in 1938 and was vocally opposed to the Nazi regime, writing in a 1941 letter to his son Michael, “I have in this war a burning private grudge… against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler.” As a professor of Anglo Saxon studies, he loathed the Führer for “ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making forever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light.”

The author’s books, intended as a kind of English national myth, have a surprising Jewish element in one of their more central races. In a rare instance of admitting allegory, Tolkien told the BBC in 1971 that his Dwarves serve as a stand-in for the chosen people.

“The Dwarves of course are quite obviously, wouldn’t you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews?” Tolkien said in a radio interview. “Their words are Semitic, obviously, constructed to be Semitic.”

(While having a “race” of stocky, hirsute men devoted to us may not put us in the most flattering light, we should note that Tolkien also decried Nazi racial policies as “wholly pernicious and unscientific.”)

Though Tolkien said he “didn’t intend” to make the Dwarves Jewish initially, the evidence proves otherwise. As a linguist, the author took great care in creating the languages of Middle Earth and, as Tolkien scholar John Rateliff wrote in his book “The History of the Hobbit,” he deliberately modeled Khuzdûl, the Dwarvish dialect, after Hebrew phonology.


https://forward.com/culture/428414/the-secret-jewish-history-of-lord-of-the-rings/

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Not good. Karadeniz Feb 2021 #1
Yeah. Not his finest hour. Aristus Feb 2021 #2
+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #10
Attributing 'good' traits to a race is still racism. aidbo Feb 2021 #21
I know. Aristus Feb 2021 #22
In other words, a hobbit at heart Hekate Feb 2021 #49
This article in the Forward discusses this too. Very interesting. Mike 03 Feb 2021 #24
Everyone we admire is complex BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #31
I agree. Aristus Feb 2021 #33
It appears JK Rowling did the same thing. ananda Feb 2021 #3
I kind I have the same problem she has... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #18
Aside from her transphobia, which is awful Withywindle Feb 2021 #41
Possibly the most over-rated writer ever. Volumes of dreck. oioioi Feb 2021 #4
Your opinion. Mine is Tolkien was a brilliant writer and student of language. Tommymac Feb 2021 #27
The Harvard Lampoon parody "Bored of the Rings" is funny LastDemocratInSC Feb 2021 #35
I read that in the early/mid 70's ornotna Feb 2021 #38
It may have been too short or too long or just right. LastDemocratInSC Feb 2021 #44
Damn 😳 live love laugh Feb 2021 #5
Woah... Not good at all! electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #6
Roald Dahl too torius Feb 2021 #7
Watched the new version of "Witches" recently and it got me thinking how anti-semitic the original sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #11
I remember how mortified and heartbroken I was to find out Mike 03 Feb 2021 #17
H.L. Mencken too apparently Mike 03 Feb 2021 #26
I mean Ezra Pound was on a bit of a different level--he was on the wrong side in WWII and wound up fishwax Feb 2021 #32
If one is very charitable, Hav Feb 2021 #8
The way Tolkien is quoted above, it seems clear he viewed his Dwarves to be inaccurate portrayal Nitram Feb 2021 #40
That makes him no different from almost all his contemporaries. Binkie The Clown Feb 2021 #9
Do you have any proof HIS view of Jews was normal then? Any data? thx in advance uponit7771 Feb 2021 #16
I was there. Read books from the era. Watch movies from the era. Educate yourself. nt Binkie The Clown Feb 2021 #19
I have, I know people I didn't live in that era in the US but the people I know who did ... uponit7771 Feb 2021 #34
It is never okay to embody racist stereotypes in one's fiction. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #20
+1 n/t Laelth Feb 2021 #28
Note the year. 1964. Behind the Aegis Feb 2021 #12
Yep, Tolkien was a product of his (racist) times. aidbo Feb 2021 #13
FWIW, here's an interesting article from "The Forward", a Jewish-American organization Mike 03 Feb 2021 #14
My great aunt worked as Tolkein's writing assistant when she studied at Oxford. GumboYaYa Feb 2021 #15
If something is a good read, funny, or fun to sing to... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #23
When Tolkien was publishing the Lord of the Rings, he was contacted by the Third Reich haele Feb 2021 #25
What you said. All of it. Hekate Feb 2021 #48
Comparing Societal norms of 80 years ago is not fair. Tommymac Feb 2021 #29
Please don't conflate misanthrope Feb 2021 #30
No, Mark Twain would not by any measure be considered racist today. His novels included dialog Nitram Feb 2021 #37
Twain wrote satire. Tolkien did not LanternWaste Feb 2021 #42
Uhm, you should read Mark Twain. N/t Humanist_Activist Feb 2021 #43
Nope, Twain was far ahead of his time. I would bet he would support black lives matter today JI7 Feb 2021 #46
There has always been a strong strain of anti-semitism on England. I've run into Brits who were Nitram Feb 2021 #36
Tolkien in response to his German publisher in the 1930's.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2021 #39
Product of the time...doesn't excuse it, however... Xolodno Feb 2021 #45
So what? MicaelS Feb 2021 #47
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