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Tommymac

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27. Your opinion. Mine is Tolkien was a brilliant writer and student of language.

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Yikes.....I did not know this about Tolkien [View all] Nevilledog Feb 2021 OP

Not good. Karadeniz Feb 2021 #1

Yeah. Not his finest hour. Aristus Feb 2021 #2

+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #10

Attributing 'good' traits to a race is still racism. aidbo Feb 2021 #21

I know. Aristus Feb 2021 #22

In other words, a hobbit at heart Hekate Feb 2021 #49

This article in the Forward discusses this too. Very interesting. Mike 03 Feb 2021 #24

Everyone we admire is complex BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #31

I agree. Aristus Feb 2021 #33

It appears JK Rowling did the same thing. ananda Feb 2021 #3

I kind I have the same problem she has... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #18

Aside from her transphobia, which is awful Withywindle Feb 2021 #41

Possibly the most over-rated writer ever. Volumes of dreck. oioioi Feb 2021 #4

Your opinion. Mine is Tolkien was a brilliant writer and student of language. Tommymac Feb 2021 #27

The Harvard Lampoon parody "Bored of the Rings" is funny LastDemocratInSC Feb 2021 #35

I read that in the early/mid 70's ornotna Feb 2021 #38

It may have been too short or too long or just right. LastDemocratInSC Feb 2021 #44

Damn 😳 live love laugh Feb 2021 #5

Woah... Not good at all! electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #6

Roald Dahl too torius Feb 2021 #7

Watched the new version of "Witches" recently and it got me thinking how anti-semitic the original sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #11

I remember how mortified and heartbroken I was to find out Mike 03 Feb 2021 #17

H.L. Mencken too apparently Mike 03 Feb 2021 #26

I mean Ezra Pound was on a bit of a different level--he was on the wrong side in WWII and wound up fishwax Feb 2021 #32

If one is very charitable, Hav Feb 2021 #8

The way Tolkien is quoted above, it seems clear he viewed his Dwarves to be inaccurate portrayal Nitram Feb 2021 #40

That makes him no different from almost all his contemporaries. Binkie The Clown Feb 2021 #9

Do you have any proof HIS view of Jews was normal then? Any data? thx in advance uponit7771 Feb 2021 #16

I was there. Read books from the era. Watch movies from the era. Educate yourself. nt Binkie The Clown Feb 2021 #19

I have, I know people I didn't live in that era in the US but the people I know who did ... uponit7771 Feb 2021 #34

It is never okay to embody racist stereotypes in one's fiction. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #20

+1 n/t Laelth Feb 2021 #28

Note the year. 1964. Behind the Aegis Feb 2021 #12

Yep, Tolkien was a product of his (racist) times. aidbo Feb 2021 #13

FWIW, here's an interesting article from "The Forward", a Jewish-American organization Mike 03 Feb 2021 #14

My great aunt worked as Tolkein's writing assistant when she studied at Oxford. GumboYaYa Feb 2021 #15

If something is a good read, funny, or fun to sing to... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #23

When Tolkien was publishing the Lord of the Rings, he was contacted by the Third Reich haele Feb 2021 #25

What you said. All of it. Hekate Feb 2021 #48

Comparing Societal norms of 80 years ago is not fair. Tommymac Feb 2021 #29

Please don't conflate misanthrope Feb 2021 #30

No, Mark Twain would not by any measure be considered racist today. His novels included dialog Nitram Feb 2021 #37

Twain wrote satire. Tolkien did not LanternWaste Feb 2021 #42

Uhm, you should read Mark Twain. N/t Humanist_Activist Feb 2021 #43

Nope, Twain was far ahead of his time. I would bet he would support black lives matter today JI7 Feb 2021 #46

There has always been a strong strain of anti-semitism on England. I've run into Brits who were Nitram Feb 2021 #36

Tolkien in response to his German publisher in the 1930's.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2021 #39

Product of the time...doesn't excuse it, however... Xolodno Feb 2021 #45

So what? MicaelS Feb 2021 #47