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themadstork

(899 posts)
45. I wonder about the same thing every day.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 02:44 AM
Dec 2011

And you know, on days that I'm willing to accept the responsibilty that such a thought entails, I think that the most persuasive thing a person can do is to engage in a version of the ethical appeal. If I think about all the times I have been deeply persuaded, the logic and overall tightness of the person's argument played a role, sure, but the thing that first plants that seed of openness to persuasion more often to not has nothing to do with the argument at hand. My buddy Mike's writings converted me from politically apathetic to liberal/leftist years ago, and while he's a brilliant writer, part of what had me so open to his writings was the fact that he seemed like such an vigilant, aware, and deeply caring person - and part of me wanted to be like that. I mean, that has nothing to do with what he was arguing, no? I can barely remeber the substance of most of the articles - but I had seen him act out of a place of extreme love and vigilance before, and this added something to the words.

I see it too in some of my favorite writers. William Vollmann has written things that normally I wouldn't think twice about, or even care at all about. But I've read his novels and I know the weird things he does in them - he's shown himself to be a writer of inordinate thoughtfulness and follow-through, perhaps even to the point of near-lunacy. And because of that I feel safe enough to trust him, lower my standard cynical defenses.

This is uncomfortable though because it means that if I expect people to be open to what I say or think or write, I have to "earn it" in a way that implies a lot of hard work, in the sense that acting attentively and humanely can be hard work . . . and so sometimes I just accept I'm probably a hack and zone out to some crappy CBS sitcoms. . . or whatever. . . because really, who am i kidding

OWS' need to connect...and how? [View all] FirstLight Dec 2011 OP
"OWS tactics are hurting the message" FirstLight Dec 2011 #1
It's not a "meme," it's the facts. TheWraith Dec 2011 #2
It's a "même" reinforced by "the facts". After that it's all a matter of confirmation bias. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #5
That works the opposite way, too. TheWraith Dec 2011 #25
I thought that was implied. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #27
"The Facts" is a meme bigmonkey Dec 2011 #23
No, it's called objective reality. TheWraith Dec 2011 #26
The mere facts in the study you cite don't support your opinion as "fact". bigmonkey Dec 2011 #31
Practically anything that screws up traffic is worthy. dkf Dec 2011 #3
OWS IS connecting pinboy3niner Dec 2011 #4
Very good. Thanks! Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #33
very powerfull piece. Thanks for posting it. applegrove Dec 2011 #38
Your concern is duly noted. Edweird Dec 2011 #6
++. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #28
seriously? FirstLight Dec 2011 #7
Precisely why I usually just read these leftynyc Dec 2011 #8
Time is what the movement has on its side mmonk Dec 2011 #9
thanks FirstLight Dec 2011 #10
They recognize some problems by the symptoms mmonk Dec 2011 #14
Here's another one of my pie-in-the-sky ideas.... OneGrassRoot Dec 2011 #12
That would be nice and I share such a dream. mmonk Dec 2011 #15
hehe FirstLight Dec 2011 #18
Invite them to attend a local General Assembly. I can almost 100% guarantee coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #11
exactly FirstLight Dec 2011 #16
there was a story on the radio yesterday about how Occupy Portland closed down some port terminals renate Dec 2011 #13
Victories are seldom won without sacrifice and a willingness to fight for better. mmonk Dec 2011 #17
The protests at the docks are trying to point out the fact that dock workers JDPriestly Dec 2011 #20
This is a recipe for self-marginalization. bigmonkey Dec 2011 #24
Two points nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #32
No, when they're told to stay home for safety or health reasons, Remember Me Dec 2011 #37
When someone says that OWS is using the wrong tactics, just ask the person what tactics JDPriestly Dec 2011 #19
BEAUTIFULLY SAID!!!!! FirstLight Dec 2011 #21
+1 AntiFascist Dec 2011 #30
Need to narrow the focus to one issue NNN0LHI Dec 2011 #22
Part of this is the very conservative, elite driven, media. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #29
Do you really think the media controls how DUers think? randome Dec 2011 #34
Actually to a point yes nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #35
that and thought generally needs a sort of factual "canvas" to work upon themadstork Dec 2011 #43
Exactly nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #44
I think the OWS movement started out right mvd Dec 2011 #36
The civil rights movement got the same type of commentary...in the beginning. U4ikLefty Dec 2011 #39
thanks, good to hear FirstLight Dec 2011 #41
The great development here in Occupy LA U4ikLefty Dec 2011 #46
... FirstLight Dec 2011 #47
Not neccessarily a bad thing themadstork Dec 2011 #40
last sentence FirstLight Dec 2011 #42
I wonder about the same thing every day. themadstork Dec 2011 #45
.. mdmc Feb 2012 #48
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