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88. This thread abounds with myths about prison

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:39 PM

Oct 2012

In three years time, Jerry Sandusky will be alive and well, and probably uninjured. Despite the crazy theories here, the vast majority of crime in prisons is theft of property. Yes, there are some rapes, but it is far more rare in contemporary prison than popular imagination would lead you to believe. In the early 1970's, sure, it was another thing, but today's prisons are closer to hospitals - everyone is medicated and the environment, though rife with anger and frustration, is usually secure. The whole "pedophiles are raped and killed in prison" thing is exactly what it appears to be: desires for imaginary revenges. The law and ethics (and common, modern values and decency) won't allow the "punishment" many people actively desire, so it gets displaced on to a fantasy: they'll get theirs one way or the other. It's actually far more rare than this popular fantasy supposes.

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RE Jerry Sandusky will be in the general population: [View all] Are_grits_groceries Oct 2012 OP

So, in about 32 days, we'll hear reports of Sandusky being murdered? Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #1

Either that, or....... left on green only Oct 2012 #2

Are there any statistics that pedophiles are murdered/harrassed in prison? Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #3

Statistics would be almost impossible to come by Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #6

So your information about the subject has been collected from hearsay Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #14

No. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2012 #17

What's your problem? Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #20

Where did you get "bloodlust" from that poster's comments? MADem Oct 2012 #28

So one must have a bloodlust to believe that pedophiles have a really fucking hard time in prison? EOTE Oct 2012 #44

I see nothing factual Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #45

Once again, try thinking just a smidgeon. EOTE Oct 2012 #59

The assertions in your post are rather idiotic. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #64

What you've suggested is beyond idiotic. EOTE Oct 2012 #66

Thank You EOTE HangOnKids Oct 2012 #70

Stalking is disruptive behavior Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #81

Get Lost HangOnKids Oct 2012 #87

You've got a real problem Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #117

Do you accuse those who are concerned about others as having a "bloodlust" in real life? EOTE Oct 2012 #118

Thanks Again EOTE HangOnKids Oct 2012 #120

Any time :) nt EOTE Oct 2012 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #123

You Are Such A Peach! HangOnKids Oct 2012 #119

what is your problem? you just like to fight? about nothing? robinlynne Oct 2012 #127

Be Careful Now Refrain Might Accuse You Of Stalking! HangOnKids Oct 2012 #86

It is not about bloodlust. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #56

Actually it is not nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #61

"Seems"? aquart Oct 2012 #77

I just did what you seem unable to accomplish DonViejo Oct 2012 #80

No, he's right. It's common knowledge. You ever watch "Lockup" or other documentaries Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #93

It's NOT an "urban legend type story"... trust me Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #112

Watch MSNBC on the weekends. cliffordu Oct 2012 #114

Great post. n/t Jamastiene Oct 2012 #55

i wonder though arely staircase Oct 2012 #96

There are several books on the subject. Terror in the Prisons came out in the 70s DonRedwood Oct 2012 #35

The prison environment itself is extremely violent. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #36

Of course-but I'd guess the average molester is average sized DonRedwood Oct 2012 #38

I suspect that many prisoners were themselves molested as children and that is why tblue37 Oct 2012 #100

"The fact is" cherokeeprogressive Oct 2012 #50

Correction officials have a special term Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #65

Is that a fact... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2012 #109

I had a good friend that did 8 years in TDC.. MicaelS Oct 2012 #32

This thread abounds with myths about prison alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #88

'Closer to hospitals' Are_grits_groceries Oct 2012 #116

I have worked in DOC for 10 years ... littlewolf Oct 2012 #106

I guess he'll have as much difficulty getting to sleep as LuvNewcastle Oct 2012 #4

Oh, man! Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #5

Are You Saying He Might Be A Victim Of Legitimate Rape?....nt global1 Oct 2012 #12

Don't be absurd. Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #49

Hopefully This is True Iggy Oct 2012 #7

I understand your position however DU frowns on prison rape Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #9

Understood, Thanks for the heads up Iggy Oct 2012 #10

Welcome Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #11

As opposed to non-prison rape? nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #94

I was just trying to be nice and advise a poster they might want to change their post Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #99

True, especially since a lot of prisoners have themselves been abused. MoonRiver Oct 2012 #16

Maybe the statue could be placed in his cell to keep him company? KansDem Oct 2012 #8

In other words, he's a dead man walking. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #13

It sucks to be a child rapist. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #15

In the interest of justice and not just vigilantism Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #18

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No, it isn't. nt Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #22

no, it isn't nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #23

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That isn't justice, that is vengeance Marrah_G Oct 2012 #27

in some cases its needed for the deterent effect. rdking647 Oct 2012 #29

what deterrent effect is this you speak off? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #47

It is highly unlikely that it would have any effect on future pedophiles actions Marrah_G Oct 2012 #51

I think you're confusing the words justice and vengeance LanternWaste Oct 2012 #67

Jerry Sandusky certainly wasn't deterred by the thought of being raped in prison. yardwork Oct 2012 #89

Judges and juries decide guilt and punishment. Other prisoners do not have a role in deciding pampango Oct 2012 #33

that is vengeance nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #40

Some would call it "street justice." Not that I condone such a thing. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #95

I know nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #101

Yeah, I suppose. But that's the way the world is. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #108

The only caveat nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #113

It may be in your mind but not under the law treestar Oct 2012 #54

so rape is cool sometimes? unblock Oct 2012 #26

Rape is never okay. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #31

Exactly. Rape is never ok. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #58

I disagree completely. MicaelS Oct 2012 #34

It may be justice in your mind, but it is not his sentence as determined by the court. MadrasT Oct 2012 #41

Well I just have to disagree with your post here, rdking647. nt NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #125

I agree and I think it is disturbing that my state has no provision to keep inmates safe MadrasT Oct 2012 #39

+1 treestar Oct 2012 #53

Administrative Custody Procedures aikoaiko Oct 2012 #21

I'd say he fits the policy--the "secure or orderly running of the facility" would be impacted if he MADem Oct 2012 #30

Interesting, thanks. n/t MadrasT Oct 2012 #42

I don't think Pennsylvania prison officials will allow him to be murdered jsr Oct 2012 #24

Fine with me. closeupready Oct 2012 #37

Sandusky will be lower than dog shit in the inmate hierarchy. DinahMoeHum Oct 2012 #43

Father John Goehgan. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #46

So he really did get the death penalty... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #48

Before Day 20, Sandusky's lawyer will have negotiated a deal. SDjack Oct 2012 #52

He should not get special treatment Stargazer09 Oct 2012 #57

Law and law enforcement should never endanger a criminal's life deliberately lunatica Oct 2012 #62

I didn't promote that! Stargazer09 Oct 2012 #72

OK. Sorry for overreacting! lunatica Oct 2012 #78

It is not special treatment for the State to uphold the obligation to keep those in its care safe Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #71

That's true Stargazer09 Oct 2012 #73

Protective custody for a high profile child abuser nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #83

All I'm saying Stargazer09 Oct 2012 #84

The state claims they don't have protective custody facilities nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #85

Then he's probably not going to live very long. Arkana Oct 2012 #60

I wonder if he'll be Geoghaned. valerief Oct 2012 #63

It's disturbing to ... 99Forever Oct 2012 #68

It really is. Solly Mack Oct 2012 #69

I agree. atufal Oct 2012 #74

Yep. Earth_First Oct 2012 #82

I agree. I have been on the "wrong" side of the bars. DollarBillHines Oct 2012 #103

i agree, but having said that arely staircase Oct 2012 #111

oh well. barbtries Oct 2012 #75

Think he'll cry in the shower? aquart Oct 2012 #76

30 seconds later... Panasonic Oct 2012 #79

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #90

Bye, now. MineralMan Oct 2012 #91

Hubby worked in the prison system for many years, all levels. tavernier Oct 2012 #92

That jives with documentaries I've seen. It's like the mob. Violent criminals "take care of bidness" Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #97

I'll place my trust there... MrMickeysMom Oct 2012 #98

Looks like that life sentence is going to be shorter than most expected. leveymg Oct 2012 #102

If necessary to insure his safety, they will put him in solitary. If not, Pennsylvania prison appleannie1 Oct 2012 #104

Not a chance! There's no way they let him get murdered and that's what would happen. brewens Oct 2012 #105

I bet they released this information so the threats will start in time to document them and move him LeftyMom Oct 2012 #107

as a high profile inmate littlewolf Oct 2012 #110

Just like DU, prison populations have and enforce their own community standards. bluedigger Oct 2012 #115

I kind of think prisoners should be given the option of suicide 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #122

WOW wouldn't want to be him! nt Raine Oct 2012 #124

Death Sentence budkin Oct 2012 #126