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thucythucy

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43. It will be tough
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:48 AM
Feb 2021

to bring about their "dissolving into the ether"--but it's not impossible.

The best way, and only way I can think of at the moment, is for President Biden's administration to use this two year window--and especially this first year--to push through a series of reforms which he pledged to do during the campaign. Passage of his Covid rescue plan would be first on the list. If President Biden and Vice President Harris can be seen to have brought the pandemic under control--or even to an end--and return life and the economy to something resembling what it was prior to Trump, I think this success will be rewarded in the midterms. Which is why Republicans are so desperate to delay and diminish the full plan. This is what they did to President Obama. They had him compromise so much of his plan in 2009 that it took an extra year to bear fruit--well after the midterms, which saw the GOP take back the House and Senate, and thus derail pretty much everything else he wanted to do. It looks like Biden has learned the lesson--that the GOP doesn't ever negotiate in good faith. Even now there are GOP senators saying they'd favor censuring Trump as opposed to convicting him. This is an obvious ploy to keep the Republican Senate caucus on board for acquittal. Once that happens, those same GOP senators will suddenly discover they're actually opposed to censure as well.

If the Biden administration is successful enough for us to keep the House and expand the majority in the Senate (which the numbers right now favor us to do) then we could see more popular efforts underway, such as I described in a previous post in this thread. Biden may not run in 2024, but I hope Vice President Harris will, and that she will be elected, and then re-elected. Twelve years of control is what we need to turn this country around in ways that can't be altered by a single GOP administration. FDR/Truman had twenty years, but I suppose that's too much to hope for.

Even twelve years will be a challenge. But having Democrats and pundits out there talking about how we "need" a strong conservative party isn't helpful. What we desperately need--most especially in order to work toward racial justice and to take serious measures to make the transition away from a fossil fuel dependent economy--is Democratic control of the levers of political power. Which can only happen, at least for now, if conservatives remain in disarray and unorganized. Otherwise we're doomed to repeat the cycle of Republicans fuck things up, Democrats get elected and repair the damage, only to have Republicans back in power to fuck things up again. And each spin around the cycle things get worse.

This dynamic has to end. And it can only happen with national conservatives reduced to a pittance of their present political selves. Hence my OP: who needs conservatives at a time like this? FDR welcomed their hatred. We should welcome, at least for the next decade or more, their political impotence.

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To be a fully functioning democracy we need a rational opposition party. nycbos Feb 2021 #1
When in our lifetimes has it been a rational opposition party? Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #2
For a good bit of my life. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #11
Not for my lifetime. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #12
Your reply rebuts your premise. Nixon only resigned because republicans told him they would impeach GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #15
Nixon didn't "only" resign because Goldwater asked him to. thucythucy Feb 2021 #18
Today that would not matter to republicans. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #21
Yeah, it's a mite chilly tonight! thucythucy Feb 2021 #23
Hell, you did not stomp on me! I can take and give! GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #25
Best to you too. thucythucy Feb 2021 #26
Support the rule of law? JonLP24 Feb 2021 #22
Good god, I'm not defending today's republicans. Nor necessarily the Lincoln Project republicans. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #32
That has (mostly) been my experience as well. KentuckyWoman Feb 2021 #30
Oh, I'm not arguing that any of their leaders a worth a bucket of spit GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #33
Why I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2021 #3
Indeed. nycbos Feb 2021 #8
Wish we could shut out the republicans in Texas! LeftInTX Feb 2021 #53
That's not what the founding fathers thought. thucythucy Feb 2021 #9
I agree. But they unintentionally created a system of government that requires them. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #13
We either have two parties that agree with the basic underlying premises Crunchy Frog Feb 2021 #4
this TeamPooka Feb 2021 #7
Exactly. thucythucy Feb 2021 #10
Exactly! TomSlick Feb 2021 #14
Bingo. There will always be a Conservative party. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #16
Yep, they aren't going away LeftInTX Feb 2021 #52
We need 2 honest parties. bamagal62 Feb 2021 #5
Yes. Citizens United needs to be overturned and expunged. nt Hekate Feb 2021 #27
It's been hella better in Cali... tonedevil Feb 2021 #6
A conservative party in the tradition of Edmund Burke would be a worthy rival. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #17
Might as well ask why we need representative government Hortensis Feb 2021 #19
I don't agree it's the same thing at all. thucythucy Feb 2021 #37
You posted about any conservative party at all. Conservatism Hortensis Feb 2021 #39
I'm always skeptical about arguments that say certain political behaviors thucythucy Feb 2021 #41
There's no absolute determinism, and I'm surprised you found Hortensis Feb 2021 #46
Well, you did say thucythucy Feb 2021 #47
Yup. Just occurred to me that the third wife's despicable Hortensis Feb 2021 #49
The RePutinicans would LOVE to have a one party country. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2021 #20
A one-party country will crumble because of the "absolute power" axiom... Hekate Feb 2021 #24
There are plenty of people here who would be just fine with absolute power in perpetuity. BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #29
Exactly so Hekate Feb 2021 #31
Not "perpetuity" thucythucy Feb 2021 #42
I think the point is a sane opposition BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #28
It will be tough thucythucy Feb 2021 #43
I'm not sure I made myself clear BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #55
Yes. Why does that opposition party NEED to be the GQP? Does it NEED to be conservative even? ck4829 Feb 2021 #34
Because no one votes for them? LeftInTX Feb 2021 #54
How do we fix this? ck4829 Feb 2021 #58
Maher made a compelling argument on his show tonight Hamlette Feb 2021 #35
Arguing by anecdote generally doesn't do it for me. thucythucy Feb 2021 #44
Because a positive feedback loop is self-destructive. See, e.g., GQP. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #36
And why would the demise of a national conservative party-- thucythucy Feb 2021 #45
Close to a third of the country are conservatives Azathoth Feb 2021 #38
A third alternative not mentioned in your first paragraph is thucythucy Feb 2021 #48
... Azathoth Feb 2021 #57
I'm OK with "convervative" as defined in English, not Republicanese DFW Feb 2021 #40
The basic flaw in your argument can be seen in the examples you cite. thucythucy Feb 2021 #50
Just because the Nina Turners of this world have not been given the free rein that Trump has DFW Feb 2021 #51
Nina Turner? JonLP24 Feb 2021 #56
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