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36. I agree. It is possible for people to see the errors of their previous ways...

Reply to LynneSin (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:16 AM

Oct 2012

...and change for the better.

And yes, we do need more cowbell.

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So... Michael Vick has got another dog [View all] Ohio Joe Oct 2012 OP

Agreed. And in our newly adopted state, my wife and I want nothing to do with the Eagles. nt onehandle Oct 2012 #1

Steelers fans welcome you! JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #15

Trading a dog-killer quarterback for a rapist quarteback if you accept JB's recommendation HERVEPA Oct 2012 #28

Some view dogs above people Missycim Oct 2012 #35

I believe the actual comparison HERVEPA Oct 2012 #41

No. Animal abuse is sickening. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #53

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #63

I detest your comment. I love animals to death yet don't place them over people and Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #81

Oh, yeah, I forgot the Pittsburgh QB has his own faults JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #59

Not a Steelers (Ben the Rapist) or Eagles (Vick the Dog Drowner) fan anymore, EVER! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2012 #139

Don't forget Nike, promoter of said Dog Torturer. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #159

Surely, you aren't serious Shirley? deaniac21 Oct 2012 #171

He has every right to own a dog ann--- Oct 2012 #101

He should never own any animal nt newfie11 Oct 2012 #2

People can change jberryhill Oct 2012 #3

That's right...some of us can even change several times in the course of a day! bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #4

Yeah I Know. We call ourselves progressives but yet we can't even recognize LynneSin Oct 2012 #5

+1,000,000,000 Glitterati Oct 2012 #7

Agreed. Arkansas Granny Oct 2012 #14

But first, he needs to pay what he owes for the rehabilitation of the dogs he abused. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #25

Wasn't that a condition of his parole? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #140

Not to my knowledge. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #155

I bet Vick takes good care of dog. I'm with give-Vick-a-break crowd now that he's done his time. Hoyt Oct 2012 #26

now i know the world is going to end Missycim Oct 2012 #38

You should take a shower more often than just when you agree with me. Hoyt Oct 2012 #78

Fortunately Missycim has more time to shower mythology Oct 2012 #206

+1 grantcart Oct 2012 #31

I agree. It is possible for people to see the errors of their previous ways... Raster Oct 2012 #36

Thank you for this rational post! n/t zappaman Oct 2012 #88

Excellent post. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #105

I think some around here have manged to forget this Glitterati Oct 2012 #6

Forgiving is all fine and good. But, let's not be forgiving AND stupid. Safety first. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #123

After all, it's not as if he's white jberryhill Oct 2012 #204

Sorry I cannot let you get away with that racist statement. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #205

"There are consequences to actions" jberryhill Oct 2012 #207

Many many states have passed laws imposing such a protection--and law is evolving Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #208

That is true, people can indeed change... Ohio Joe Oct 2012 #20

Rule of thumb - many people change because of jail time LynneSin Oct 2012 #42

I agree. And... Jamastiene Oct 2012 #56

I have not seen anything to show me that people change. hollysmom Oct 2012 #58

People might pretend to change, but Jamastiene Oct 2012 #54

So therefore people can never change as a result of hifiguy Oct 2012 #92

So Sen. Byrd remained a KKK member? jberryhill Oct 2012 #111

Wow that's STUPID. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #122

Support that. flvegan Oct 2012 #197

Yes, people are capable of change. apparently there are people here who rustydog Oct 2012 #94

Who gives a shit, he can change all he wants but he has lost his right to have a dog krawhitham Oct 2012 #172

There is a very high rate of violent recidivism among psychopaths Poiuyt Oct 2012 #191

Yes they can. Specifically, did he? Please answer to prove up your claim. flvegan Oct 2012 #199

What "claim" have I made? jberryhill Oct 2012 #203

That he's changed. flvegan Oct 2012 #210

"People can change" jberryhill Oct 2012 #217

Disgusting Marrah_G Oct 2012 #8

"or someone in his house has developed a taste for dog food." BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #9

It's Michael Vick - we're allowed to say things like that LynneSin Oct 2012 #17

Yeah, we are...we can say that about unrepenant murderers joeybee12 Oct 2012 #77

Oh come off it LynneSin Oct 2012 #85

Cowpokes???? joeybee12 Oct 2012 #167

Because the Eagles' head office demands it of him. JVS Oct 2012 #179

This thread is about Michael Vick, not Ray Lewis! JVS Oct 2012 #180

Call me a bad progressive then. Texasgal Oct 2012 #189

What a ridiculous, knee-jerk reaction JackintheGreen Oct 2012 #19

It's an oft-used RW and racist meme, recently used against the President and his family BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #29

I stand very corrected JackintheGreen Oct 2012 #188

Wow, what a stretch. nt Skip Intro Oct 2012 #51

That is a real reach... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #93

And your comment is as empty as the OP's. n/t BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #112

It's not the OP's remark. It's from the link. nt Union Scribe Oct 2012 #148

What does dog food have to do roody Oct 2012 #211

I have never forgiven the Eagles for hiring Vick life long demo Oct 2012 #10

Damn straight - as liberals we should always hold grudges against those who give second changes LynneSin Oct 2012 #34

actually, I always did have a problem with Kennedy leaving Mary Jo hollysmom Oct 2012 #75

Is there any organization you would feel comfortable hiring him. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #108

Or a friend came for a visit... one_voice Oct 2012 #11

The world forgave him for stealing the neighbor's pets for torture games because he Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #12

the child's game meme is bullshit.. frylock Oct 2012 #64

Torture is okay if you're young, rich and talented. At least according to some. flvegan Oct 2012 #95

"Millionaire bonus baby?" He grew up in violence and poverty. nt MADem Oct 2012 #163

You don't know much about this, do you? flvegan Oct 2012 #193

Well, that was cryptic and entirely unhelpful. MADem Oct 2012 #218

Not really, unless you're ignorant. flvegan Oct 2012 #220

The one who's ignorant here is not me. MADem Oct 2012 #222

Keep thinking that. n/t flvegan Oct 2012 #223

Thanks, I will! nt MADem Oct 2012 #224

He's rich pecwae Oct 2012 #183

"The world forgave him" NCTraveler Oct 2012 #114

Good for him alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #13

So much for liberal redemption snooper2 Oct 2012 #16

So Ted Kennedy can leave he scene of an accident allowing a woman to die... LynneSin Oct 2012 #18

My sentiments exactly!.. HipChick Oct 2012 #24

Exactly. BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #32

I am a die hard Eagles fan and season ticket holder Missycim Oct 2012 #39

well played.. frylock Oct 2012 #65

The most sanctimonious posts on this thread all belong to YOU. People have a right to their own Romulox Oct 2012 #89

They do have their rights LynneSin Oct 2012 #99

You have no idea if Vick has changed. True change comes from WITHIN, not court ordered. Not PR crap Romulox Oct 2012 #103

And you have proof he didn't? LynneSin Oct 2012 #106

All the murdered/mutilated/tortured dogs. Those are the best "proof" as to his character. Romulox Oct 2012 #109

I'm asking about today, now that he has served his time LynneSin Oct 2012 #113

You're not "asking" about anything--you're castigating people who disagree with you. You don't have Romulox Oct 2012 #115

Why shouldn't I since castigating seems to be an Olympic sport here at DU LynneSin Oct 2012 #125

Because your values are no more valid than anybody else's. You have ZERO moral authority to scold. Romulox Oct 2012 #126

You should hold up the mirror LynneSin Oct 2012 #132

Nonsense. YOU were telling people to "hang their head in shame" before I even got here. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #133

You have no idea that he hasn't, though--unless you're in his pocket. MADem Oct 2012 #219

That's a good point treestar Oct 2012 #134

How the fuck can you compare those? Union Scribe Oct 2012 #149

I'll "hang my head in shame" pecwae Oct 2012 #184

Animal abusers are right up there w/ child molesters in my book ceile Oct 2012 #21

You and me both TorchTheWitch Oct 2012 #215

I thought he's had a dog for some time, now. A little dog. MADem Oct 2012 #22

This is ridiculous...Vick paid his dues.. HipChick Oct 2012 #23

Perhaps his daughter owns a dog, and the biscuits are hers. nt SDjack Oct 2012 #40

Vick's ban was only for 3 years LynneSin Oct 2012 #67

I think he has figured out the dog thing. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #27

Now that is a good reason to start an Anti-Vick thread LynneSin Oct 2012 #30

They picked a kid in the draft that looks pretty good Missycim Oct 2012 #45

That's pretty much how Cunningham and McNabb got their starts LynneSin Oct 2012 #46

no this QB is not a athletic QB's that Cunningham and McNabb were. Missycim Oct 2012 #47

I wanted this kid to start so bad Missycim Oct 2012 #49

Exactly. Interceptions, fumbles, sacks. BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #33

FIgured out a better way to hang them? Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #82

Well, he sure hangs the long ball. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #221

No kidding!!! JoePhilly Oct 2012 #96

The steelers don't have 6 rings for no reason. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #170

Yeah, and it only took him pecwae Oct 2012 #187

Its his own business quinnox Oct 2012 #37

+1 Go Vols Oct 2012 #70

our culture has a habit that punishment, like diamonds, should be forever. NuttyFluffers Oct 2012 #43

He already paid his debt with prison time, give him a chance! ArnoldLayne Oct 2012 #44

Honestly I don't even care if they give Vick a chance LynneSin Oct 2012 #48

Just as an FYI - Legally Michael Vick is allowed to adopt a dog LynneSin Oct 2012 #50

Hr paid his dues with jail time. Move on. CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #52

Those poor dogs can't 'Move on'. navarth Oct 2012 #57

+100000000. Tiger's don't change thier stripes. n/t Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #83

So I assume that when a 13-year-old murders his grandparents CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #97

There was more than simple loss of life involved here navarth Oct 2012 #166

So, does the fact that you can't spell "their" mean that you will always be ignorant? 11 Bravo Oct 2012 #192

There is nothing automatically redemptive about serving time. Union Scribe Oct 2012 #150

But that's what we demanded of him for his crime, and he did it. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #201

Arguing about whether Michael Vick can have a dog is a waste of time. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #202

It is disgusting. If he were a child abuser, we would not let him near children. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #55

What I want to know is who gave him the dog. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #60

Anyone know what kind of dog? Hopefully not a pit bull JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2012 #61

He should still be in prison. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #62

At the time Vick received what was the maximum sentence available LynneSin Oct 2012 #66

Stop apologizing for that asshole. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #129

Not apologizing - just pointing out the facts LynneSin Oct 2012 #130

He could have faced federal charges and didn't. He should still be locked up. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #136

He should have faced RICO charges in addition. flvegan Oct 2012 #194

It's funny that don't we have the same outrage over these war criminals.. HipChick Oct 2012 #68

A bit of a strawman argument, don't you think? I mean, this place went apeshit (me included) bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #86

I hope the dog bites him. Stinky The Clown Oct 2012 #69

Vick was an arrogant prick long before this dogs issue DinahMoeHum Oct 2012 #71

Michael Vick has done a lot of good things since he returned to the NFL tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #72

Welcome, clueless. flvegan Oct 2012 #200

Wonder if that Texas "mother" libodem Oct 2012 #73

She did LynneSin Oct 2012 #79

I don't worry about Mike Vick and fear that he will not take care of his children's mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #74

Don't worry. My dogs are next to me roody Oct 2012 #212

And murderer apologists are chiming in! joeybee12 Oct 2012 #76

Really? LynneSin Oct 2012 #84

If he had tortured children to death magical thyme Oct 2012 #87

Agreed...some needs to post photos of what exactly Vick did... joeybee12 Oct 2012 #168

Yeah, but does he eat at the Olive Garden? progressoid Oct 2012 #80

I disdain greatly what he did, and i do not trust him. I doubt he will do it again , but ... hrmjustin Oct 2012 #90

It's like Jerry Sandusky being allowed to work with children again... nt Romulox Oct 2012 #91

Did you just equate child rape with dog fighting? JoePhilly Oct 2012 #98

Sure did. Both men are sociopaths, imo. I don't care what Vick has done on camera to make money. Romulox Oct 2012 #100

not just murdered--cruely and visciously tortured Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #102

I 100% agree hrmjustin Oct 2012 #135

I do too. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #137

Cool ... just checking. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #117

That's a serious point there. The Sanduskys are still claiming they are innocent LynneSin Oct 2012 #104

Similarly, Jerry Sandusky (like many abusers) may have been abused himself. Give him a break! nt Romulox Oct 2012 #116

You equated Sandusky with Vick ... not the other way around. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #120

Nonsense. I have a different value system than you (apparently.) Yours isn't more valid Romulox Oct 2012 #121

You were the one suggesting that by not equating the two, others were "giving Sandusky a break". JoePhilly Oct 2012 #127

I'm not "suggesting" a damn thing--I am DIRECTLY STATING that I find both men equally reprehensible. Romulox Oct 2012 #131

You started the game by equating the two. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #146

It's not a game; I find them EQUALLY REPULSIVE. You're not "catching" me in any inconsistency. Romulox Oct 2012 #158

I suppose different people have different reactions to how different crimes strike them viscerally Douglas Carpenter Oct 2012 #107

Should Michael's daughter be punished for her father's failings? tokenlib Oct 2012 #110

It is not about redemption. It is about safety. Felons do not get to possess guns Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #119

So murderers of human beings DO NOT get to interact with any more human beings, correct? CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #156

No...that is a superficial interpretation of my point Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #162

My question is why does Michael Vick even want a dog? It can't be because he loves dogs, a person smokey nj Oct 2012 #186

I know a kid who has to take the bus because his mom lost her license for DUIs. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #138

I just think he should be treated the way his dogs were Myrina Oct 2012 #118

I wouldn't put it past Philadephia's sports fans to do that. JVS Oct 2012 #177

I'm an unyielding hardass on this: He should never be allowed near an animal again. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #124

Wow, just wow LynneSin Oct 2012 #128

You're fighting the good fight, but CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #141

I'm not selective nor inconsistent. My compassion is for the animals. Period. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #142

THere's alot of emotions in a topic such as this LynneSin Oct 2012 #143

Agreed. Minds aren't going to change on this, no matter how many times the topic arises. -nt CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #153

it is not about compassion for offenders. It is not about continued punishment Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #169

I remain unapologetic and firm in my resolve. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #144

Oh I'm sorry, i'm just to sit back and take it from everyone else LynneSin Oct 2012 #145

Who accosted who here? Get that part straight. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #147

You wouldn't be "taking" anything if you weren't lecturing everyone. nt Union Scribe Oct 2012 #151

I don't see Lynn lecturing anybody mythology Oct 2012 #209

You make me laugh. flvegan Oct 2012 #196

So I agree this topic generates lots of anger. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #161

Well to be fair -- AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #165

Has a "rehabilitation gene" been isolated? Is there any evidence for your belief or is it just... JVS Oct 2012 #175

-- AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #178

You didn't answer it. I'll put it more bluntly: what gene is responsible for rehabilitation? JVS Oct 2012 #181

QxQ: Did you miss something? AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #182

I absolutely agree. pecwae Oct 2012 #185

Sorry, no forgiveness here. I've worked too long in pit rescue to forgive these people MadHound Oct 2012 #152

Amen. n/t easttexaslefty Oct 2012 #164

I am a dog and cat owner and love them dearly. Now I don't know about football much these southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #157

Is his name Seamus? KamaAina Oct 2012 #160

Is there every a time when people forgive? donheld Oct 2012 #173

"Forgive?" He hasn't taken responsibility. Not ONCE. yewberry Oct 2012 #174

Fuck him and Pete Rose! JVS Oct 2012 #176

How specifically should they? flvegan Oct 2012 #195

I agree!!!!! nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #190

i don't care if he has changed or not Scout Oct 2012 #198

He should have been barred for life from owning any animal Omaha Steve Oct 2012 #213

He will be redeemed when he gives roody Oct 2012 #214

No he won't. flvegan Oct 2012 #216