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cali

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135. wrong. wrong. wrong.

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:45 PM

Oct 2012

I watched it as it happened and realized fucking immediately- with NO media commentary- what a piss poor job the President did. Then I watched it without sound and I realized he did even worse when it came to body language.

It was not manufactured.

Romney came off as self-assured, confident, friendly and commanding to a lot of people. For most people watching this was their first real introduction to him. Yes, you and I see him for what he is. I assure you most people watching did not.

President Obama came off as listless, he kept his eyes downcast way too much of the time. He did not come off as a leader- and that's what a lot of people are looking for.

What people like you seem to be totally unable to grasp- is that most of viewing public isn't like you and doesn't see things the way you do.

Sorry, I wasn't brainwashed. I saw what I saw. President Obama lost that debate roundly.

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yep. nt Whisp Oct 2012 #1

Yep liberalmike27 Oct 2012 #65

Posted This Yesterday liberalmike27 Oct 2012 #67

Cenk Uyger SemperEadem Oct 2012 #110

President Obama has come out and pretty much agreed with Chenk. nm rhett o rick Oct 2012 #166

would you consider making this an op DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #171

Don't forget robbob Oct 2012 #133

Exactly byoung6 Oct 2012 #2

Amazing, isn't it. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #3

Out of curiosity xxqqqzme Oct 2012 #108

I personally thought that Obama won the debate since Romney was lying all the way. PDJane Oct 2012 #4

Facts don't matter in this country iandhr Oct 2012 #60

If Obama and Lehrer didn't point out that Romney was lying (and they didn't), then it doesn't matter scheming daemons Oct 2012 #68

Please don't lump all Americans into that camp DarleenMB Oct 2012 #72

There it is alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #5

YEp. Perfect. cliffordu Oct 2012 #6

Thank you for your post...this is what I have been saying all along... HipChick Oct 2012 #7

You should be a commentator. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #8

you're wrong scheming daemons Oct 2012 #9

did you spend any of that time barbtries Oct 2012 #12

Thank you, barbries brush Oct 2012 #41

you're welcome barbtries Oct 2012 #45

I was yelling at Obama to point out that Romney wasn't telling the truth! scheming daemons Oct 2012 #66

thanks, but i've read enough. barbtries Oct 2012 #80

You are, of course, correct about Romney being disqualified scheming daemons Oct 2012 #82

that's an uphill battle that will not change barbtries Oct 2012 #86

No one it giving the "win" to Rmoney. But the difference between Democrats and the crack-pot rhett o rick Oct 2012 #167

a lot of people gave the "win" to romney. barbtries Oct 2012 #169

problem is, we KNOW conservatives are liars Skittles Oct 2012 #75

now that i agree with. barbtries Oct 2012 #84

Exactly. It's not all media spin. LisaL Oct 2012 #16

Of course, the same people have been after Obama's ass since Jan. 21, 2009 Scootaloo Oct 2012 #127

Maybe you think the way the pundits do treestar Oct 2012 #31

I am with scheming GitRDun Oct 2012 #39

Someday SmileyRose Oct 2012 #124

Thank you for your concern Champion Jack Oct 2012 #42

lol scheming daemons Oct 2012 #58

You are so right and what is up with you guys sevenseas Oct 2012 #98

Were DUers so negative & reactive because they KNEW what the media would do with it? marions ghost Oct 2012 #57

Go back and reread what everyone was posting DURING the debate scheming daemons Oct 2012 #61

I know what was posted marions ghost Oct 2012 #85

Yep Martin Eden Oct 2012 #113

I hope Obama wears a red tie next time LiberalElite Oct 2012 #161

thank you. barbtries Oct 2012 #10

I thought Romney was obnoxious Mz Pip Oct 2012 #11

Expectations were high and unmet. That's all. randome Oct 2012 #13

YES. And the fact that Rmoney got such a bounce in the polls scares the fuck out of me, yodermon Oct 2012 #14

Bush got elected twice. That's all I need to know. LisaL Oct 2012 #17

bush heaven05 Oct 2012 #78

How about Bain Capitol owning voting machines? sellitman Oct 2012 #121

that too heaven05 Oct 2012 #155

It's funny how there was soooo much talk about "the expectations game"... Schema Thing Oct 2012 #15

They should just turn the races into a fucking reality show. tjwash Oct 2012 #18

It shows that if we aren't up by +10 or more, the media can still sway the election. reformist2 Oct 2012 #19

Finally Mattylock Oct 2012 #20

The Romney I saw was deeply disturbing and ready to engage Pres Obama in a dramatic verbal assault.. nenagh Oct 2012 #21

Obama himself said that he had a bad night and that RMoney had a good night. Since Obama rDigital Oct 2012 #22

Yep. You nailed it. Somehow, a subdued performance becomes a FUCKING DISASTER!!! TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #23

Fight fire fleabiscuit Oct 2012 #24

Bingo. Scuba Oct 2012 #25

So true Z_California Oct 2012 #26

Answer: "Yes; almost as painful as watching you pretend to be an objective journalist." HughBeaumont Oct 2012 #71

I agree treestar Oct 2012 #27

some people like eating troll bait. MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #28

sounds like too much kool-aid quinnox Oct 2012 #29

Oh, yeah? brush Oct 2012 #55

Show me a clip of his worst moment, please. Wednesdays Oct 2012 #104

Sorry, all I see is the negative spin Cha Oct 2012 #144

This is not a college debate we're discussing HERVEPA Oct 2012 #30

Please note that chervilant Oct 2012 #32

I was there when it happened. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #33

I hear you - cilla4progress Oct 2012 #34

"We were brainwashed. Wake the fuck up." kurtzapril4 Oct 2012 #35

You got it siligut Oct 2012 #36

He was objectively terrible Prism Oct 2012 #37

I agree on the perception being key Redford Oct 2012 #38

A moment of looking down is "disastrous?" Wednesdays Oct 2012 #107

An interesting point in light of the characterization of note-taking you chose. nt patrice Oct 2012 #164

I agee completely. And Romney has figured that out...and is counting on us being idiots. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #40

+100 Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #149

!00% Correct!!! NOLALady Oct 2012 #43

Exactimente! Tsiyu Oct 2012 #44

That is how I saw it too. zeemike Oct 2012 #46

The MSM persists on reviving the GOP lpbk2713 Oct 2012 #47

yeah, after little boots basically destroyed our country's economy newspeak Oct 2012 #77

I agree completely, I'm disgusted at how easy it is to manipulate us. Avalux Oct 2012 #48

Agreed! hedgehog Oct 2012 #49

I disagree iandhr Oct 2012 #50

Glad somebody said it Courtesy Flush Oct 2012 #53

People have a short memory. iandhr Oct 2012 #56

Huh? brush Oct 2012 #63

Its a figure of speech iandhr Oct 2012 #73

Spot on brush Oct 2012 #51

Yours is Spot on, too, brush, Thanks! Cha Oct 2012 #147

I have to agree with you 100 percent. Cleita Oct 2012 #52

Well said!! K&R hue Oct 2012 #54

I watched the rerun, couldn't take it live mountain grammy Oct 2012 #59

Okay brush Oct 2012 #70

I think you are mostly correct... kentuck Oct 2012 #62

Amen! Little Star Oct 2012 #64

Obama wasn't as bad as some have sad bigwillq Oct 2012 #69

This. And thank you for it. nt Chorophyll Oct 2012 #74

psyched out by our own (tweetie + Big Ed) and the pundits flamingdem Oct 2012 #76

Plus Jim Lehrer was a disaster - he allowed Mitt to pull of "MACHO" flamingdem Oct 2012 #79

Yes. Let's Blame The Media Liberal_Dog Oct 2012 #81

ROmney used Kitty Laser strategy ErikJ Oct 2012 #83

You been listening to NPR??? stlsaxman Oct 2012 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author CheapShotArtist Oct 2012 #88

Totally agree n/t Misskittycat Oct 2012 #89

I agree with whole heartedly!! n/t arthritisR_US Oct 2012 #90

Romney wanted to project himself as a stronger leader andym Oct 2012 #91

Elections are about winning and losing Andy Stanton Oct 2012 #92

Just like they were brainwashed with joining in the bashing of Acorn. nt mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #93

Obama went to the debate intent on debating... Javaman Oct 2012 #94

We didn't all fall for it, but some here are still attacking Obama lunatica Oct 2012 #95

+ 1 million K8-EEE Oct 2012 #96

Apparenty the President needs to "wake the fuck up" too. progressoid Oct 2012 #97

I wasn't one of them. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #99

And Tweety was the first to start the damn ball rolling. n/t BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #100

Well said! JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #101

Watched the debate. Heard Romney lie lie lie. Media says Obama lost because he didn't call abelenkpe Oct 2012 #102

You have no right to insult those of us who saw this differently than you. gateley Oct 2012 #103

Exactly. Nt DevonRex Oct 2012 #105

The media narrative was handed to them by his lackluster performance ksoze Oct 2012 #106

It was a no-win situation for Obama/the Democrats. we know why. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #109

I'm not sure it was all coordinated. Americans have horrible critical thinking skills. BlueStreak Oct 2012 #111

It didn't happen. Romney did not "win." JDPriestly Oct 2012 #112

I read the debate exactly as you did, Warren. YellaDog1950 Oct 2012 #114

So that's what happened, everybody was just sleeping nolabels Oct 2012 #115

I'll go even further: Obama won rock Oct 2012 #116

well answer this Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #117

I watched the debate for five minutes. That was all it took to see Romney was intent harun Oct 2012 #118

Thank you, Warren Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #119

I think that Paul Ryan should *handily*, unequivocally, win this debate with that kind of momentum. LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #120

President Obama did not disgrace himself tartan2 Oct 2012 #122

THIS times 1,000,000 Cosmocat Oct 2012 #123

Couldn't agree with you more Proud_Lefty Oct 2012 #125

Death Panels libodem Oct 2012 #126

Correct- but all of us were not brainwashed Tumbulu Oct 2012 #128

I was NOT brainwashed. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #129

I see. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #130

There was such a different reaction from the women that I know Tumbulu Oct 2012 #175

I think of what you describe as "preserving my options" in the face of pressure to limit them. . . . patrice Oct 2012 #177

When fighting back and standing up for ourselves Tumbulu Oct 2012 #179

So very deeply true. Which means that sometimes, "standing up" can sometimes look like the opposite patrice Oct 2012 #180

I'm disappointed in what people expect DaveJ Oct 2012 #131

like you i watched it live... lame54 Oct 2012 #132

I agree. I did pretty much the same thing. Silver Gaia Oct 2012 #134

wrong. wrong. wrong. cali Oct 2012 #135

I'm sure all of us did fleabiscuit Oct 2012 #137

I saw the debate as a draw too proud patriot Oct 2012 #136

I haven't posted on DU in years but I have to say I agree with the OP 100% Bread and Circus Oct 2012 #138

Exactly what I was thinking. mojowork_n Oct 2012 #139

As soon as I figure out fleabiscuit Oct 2012 #140

Hey, you just did. Thanks. mojowork_n Oct 2012 #156

i think your perception of what ensued is 100% correct. it was astounding....still is. spanone Oct 2012 #141

It's impossible to escape the narrative, it's a single voice repeatedly endlessly. freshwest Oct 2012 #142

I think you described it perfectly What Happened, Cha Oct 2012 #143

Regarding the "yes he did suck" argument. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #145

It's incredible we Chiquitita Oct 2012 #146

Plus MSM wants a femrap Oct 2012 #148

President Obama was holding up his end felix_numinous Oct 2012 #150

Denial rudycantfail Oct 2012 #151

I know, it's very frustrating to see Democrats Warpy Oct 2012 #152

worse: the media didn't REACT to the debate -- it was a PREPARED response. unblock Oct 2012 #153

Most of a debate is about perception budkin Oct 2012 #154

Romney did not win, but he did get away murder (so to speak) ecstatic Oct 2012 #157

Well said, Warren S. It is too easy for many to fall into the sheep category. Whovian Oct 2012 #158

Rachel Maddow's statement immediately after the debate was telling... jimlup Oct 2012 #159

A name has been dubbed for them DOOMSAYERS DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #160

Tonight the first ten minutes of Newshour was on & on & on about how disappointing Obama was and stuntcat Oct 2012 #162

Exactly! Window Oct 2012 #163

Who are you demanding to "wake the fuck up"??? Are you insinuating that you are awake rhett o rick Oct 2012 #165

Actually I was specifically referring to you. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #170

That's strange because I believe the President did well. Why are you cursing at DU members? rhett o rick Oct 2012 #173

Posted in the wrong location. rhett o rick Oct 2012 #172

I agree with that assessment Skittles Oct 2012 #168

Spot on. n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #174

I expected all along MFM008 Oct 2012 #176

People need to do some thinking about how entities like Choice Point have evolved since 2000. nt patrice Oct 2012 #178