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159. Rachel Maddow's statement immediately after the debate was telling...

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:03 PM

Oct 2012

I don't know who won but ...

She's one damn smart woman. If she says "I don't know who won" you had better believe it isn't as obvious nor as clear as the MSM has portrayed. You are absolutely correct.

My personal analysis was pretty close to yours. I did feel like Obama left several points unaddressed and missed a few solid jabs but it wasn't the disaster that the MSM has been screaming about for a whole week. Sure the left was pissed (and had reason to be) but I don't think the "center" should have been. Obama is a centrist democrat. Romney has been campaigning from the position of a far right idealog but during the debate he pretended to be a middle-right realist.

I agree with your analysis and your conclusion - wake the fuck up people!

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What just happened. [View all] Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 OP

yep. nt Whisp Oct 2012 #1

Yep liberalmike27 Oct 2012 #65

Posted This Yesterday liberalmike27 Oct 2012 #67

Cenk Uyger SemperEadem Oct 2012 #110

President Obama has come out and pretty much agreed with Chenk. nm rhett o rick Oct 2012 #166

would you consider making this an op DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #171

Don't forget robbob Oct 2012 #133

Exactly byoung6 Oct 2012 #2

Amazing, isn't it. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #3

Out of curiosity xxqqqzme Oct 2012 #108

I personally thought that Obama won the debate since Romney was lying all the way. PDJane Oct 2012 #4

Facts don't matter in this country iandhr Oct 2012 #60

If Obama and Lehrer didn't point out that Romney was lying (and they didn't), then it doesn't matter scheming daemons Oct 2012 #68

Please don't lump all Americans into that camp DarleenMB Oct 2012 #72

There it is alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #5

YEp. Perfect. cliffordu Oct 2012 #6

Thank you for your post...this is what I have been saying all along... HipChick Oct 2012 #7

You should be a commentator. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #8

you're wrong scheming daemons Oct 2012 #9

did you spend any of that time barbtries Oct 2012 #12

Thank you, barbries brush Oct 2012 #41

you're welcome barbtries Oct 2012 #45

I was yelling at Obama to point out that Romney wasn't telling the truth! scheming daemons Oct 2012 #66

thanks, but i've read enough. barbtries Oct 2012 #80

You are, of course, correct about Romney being disqualified scheming daemons Oct 2012 #82

that's an uphill battle that will not change barbtries Oct 2012 #86

No one it giving the "win" to Rmoney. But the difference between Democrats and the crack-pot rhett o rick Oct 2012 #167

a lot of people gave the "win" to romney. barbtries Oct 2012 #169

problem is, we KNOW conservatives are liars Skittles Oct 2012 #75

now that i agree with. barbtries Oct 2012 #84

Exactly. It's not all media spin. LisaL Oct 2012 #16

Of course, the same people have been after Obama's ass since Jan. 21, 2009 Scootaloo Oct 2012 #127

Maybe you think the way the pundits do treestar Oct 2012 #31

I am with scheming GitRDun Oct 2012 #39

Someday SmileyRose Oct 2012 #124

Thank you for your concern Champion Jack Oct 2012 #42

lol scheming daemons Oct 2012 #58

You are so right and what is up with you guys sevenseas Oct 2012 #98

Were DUers so negative & reactive because they KNEW what the media would do with it? marions ghost Oct 2012 #57

Go back and reread what everyone was posting DURING the debate scheming daemons Oct 2012 #61

I know what was posted marions ghost Oct 2012 #85

Yep Martin Eden Oct 2012 #113

I hope Obama wears a red tie next time LiberalElite Oct 2012 #161

thank you. barbtries Oct 2012 #10

I thought Romney was obnoxious Mz Pip Oct 2012 #11

Expectations were high and unmet. That's all. randome Oct 2012 #13

YES. And the fact that Rmoney got such a bounce in the polls scares the fuck out of me, yodermon Oct 2012 #14

Bush got elected twice. That's all I need to know. LisaL Oct 2012 #17

bush heaven05 Oct 2012 #78

How about Bain Capitol owning voting machines? sellitman Oct 2012 #121

that too heaven05 Oct 2012 #155

It's funny how there was soooo much talk about "the expectations game"... Schema Thing Oct 2012 #15

They should just turn the races into a fucking reality show. tjwash Oct 2012 #18

It shows that if we aren't up by +10 or more, the media can still sway the election. reformist2 Oct 2012 #19

Finally Mattylock Oct 2012 #20

The Romney I saw was deeply disturbing and ready to engage Pres Obama in a dramatic verbal assault.. nenagh Oct 2012 #21

Obama himself said that he had a bad night and that RMoney had a good night. Since Obama rDigital Oct 2012 #22

Yep. You nailed it. Somehow, a subdued performance becomes a FUCKING DISASTER!!! TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #23

Fight fire fleabiscuit Oct 2012 #24

Bingo. Scuba Oct 2012 #25

So true Z_California Oct 2012 #26

Answer: "Yes; almost as painful as watching you pretend to be an objective journalist." HughBeaumont Oct 2012 #71

I agree treestar Oct 2012 #27

some people like eating troll bait. MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #28

sounds like too much kool-aid quinnox Oct 2012 #29

Oh, yeah? brush Oct 2012 #55

Show me a clip of his worst moment, please. Wednesdays Oct 2012 #104

Sorry, all I see is the negative spin Cha Oct 2012 #144

This is not a college debate we're discussing HERVEPA Oct 2012 #30

Please note that chervilant Oct 2012 #32

I was there when it happened. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #33

I hear you - cilla4progress Oct 2012 #34

"We were brainwashed. Wake the fuck up." kurtzapril4 Oct 2012 #35

You got it siligut Oct 2012 #36

He was objectively terrible Prism Oct 2012 #37

I agree on the perception being key Redford Oct 2012 #38

A moment of looking down is "disastrous?" Wednesdays Oct 2012 #107

An interesting point in light of the characterization of note-taking you chose. nt patrice Oct 2012 #164

I agee completely. And Romney has figured that out...and is counting on us being idiots. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2012 #40

+100 Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #149

!00% Correct!!! NOLALady Oct 2012 #43

Exactimente! Tsiyu Oct 2012 #44

That is how I saw it too. zeemike Oct 2012 #46

The MSM persists on reviving the GOP lpbk2713 Oct 2012 #47

yeah, after little boots basically destroyed our country's economy newspeak Oct 2012 #77

I agree completely, I'm disgusted at how easy it is to manipulate us. Avalux Oct 2012 #48

Agreed! hedgehog Oct 2012 #49

I disagree iandhr Oct 2012 #50

Glad somebody said it Courtesy Flush Oct 2012 #53

People have a short memory. iandhr Oct 2012 #56

Huh? brush Oct 2012 #63

Its a figure of speech iandhr Oct 2012 #73

Spot on brush Oct 2012 #51

Yours is Spot on, too, brush, Thanks! Cha Oct 2012 #147

I have to agree with you 100 percent. Cleita Oct 2012 #52

Well said!! K&R hue Oct 2012 #54

I watched the rerun, couldn't take it live mountain grammy Oct 2012 #59

Okay brush Oct 2012 #70

I think you are mostly correct... kentuck Oct 2012 #62

Amen! Little Star Oct 2012 #64

Obama wasn't as bad as some have sad bigwillq Oct 2012 #69

This. And thank you for it. nt Chorophyll Oct 2012 #74

psyched out by our own (tweetie + Big Ed) and the pundits flamingdem Oct 2012 #76

Plus Jim Lehrer was a disaster - he allowed Mitt to pull of "MACHO" flamingdem Oct 2012 #79

Yes. Let's Blame The Media Liberal_Dog Oct 2012 #81

ROmney used Kitty Laser strategy ErikJ Oct 2012 #83

You been listening to NPR??? stlsaxman Oct 2012 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author CheapShotArtist Oct 2012 #88

Totally agree n/t Misskittycat Oct 2012 #89

I agree with whole heartedly!! n/t arthritisR_US Oct 2012 #90

Romney wanted to project himself as a stronger leader andym Oct 2012 #91

Elections are about winning and losing Andy Stanton Oct 2012 #92

Just like they were brainwashed with joining in the bashing of Acorn. nt mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #93

Obama went to the debate intent on debating... Javaman Oct 2012 #94

We didn't all fall for it, but some here are still attacking Obama lunatica Oct 2012 #95

+ 1 million K8-EEE Oct 2012 #96

Apparenty the President needs to "wake the fuck up" too. progressoid Oct 2012 #97

I wasn't one of them. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #99

And Tweety was the first to start the damn ball rolling. n/t BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #100

Well said! JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #101

Watched the debate. Heard Romney lie lie lie. Media says Obama lost because he didn't call abelenkpe Oct 2012 #102

You have no right to insult those of us who saw this differently than you. gateley Oct 2012 #103

Exactly. Nt DevonRex Oct 2012 #105

The media narrative was handed to them by his lackluster performance ksoze Oct 2012 #106

It was a no-win situation for Obama/the Democrats. we know why. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #109

I'm not sure it was all coordinated. Americans have horrible critical thinking skills. BlueStreak Oct 2012 #111

It didn't happen. Romney did not "win." JDPriestly Oct 2012 #112

I read the debate exactly as you did, Warren. YellaDog1950 Oct 2012 #114

So that's what happened, everybody was just sleeping nolabels Oct 2012 #115

I'll go even further: Obama won rock Oct 2012 #116

well answer this Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #117

I watched the debate for five minutes. That was all it took to see Romney was intent harun Oct 2012 #118

Thank you, Warren Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #119

I think that Paul Ryan should *handily*, unequivocally, win this debate with that kind of momentum. LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #120

President Obama did not disgrace himself tartan2 Oct 2012 #122

THIS times 1,000,000 Cosmocat Oct 2012 #123

Couldn't agree with you more Proud_Lefty Oct 2012 #125

Death Panels libodem Oct 2012 #126

Correct- but all of us were not brainwashed Tumbulu Oct 2012 #128

I was NOT brainwashed. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #129

I see. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #130

There was such a different reaction from the women that I know Tumbulu Oct 2012 #175

I think of what you describe as "preserving my options" in the face of pressure to limit them. . . . patrice Oct 2012 #177

When fighting back and standing up for ourselves Tumbulu Oct 2012 #179

So very deeply true. Which means that sometimes, "standing up" can sometimes look like the opposite patrice Oct 2012 #180

I'm disappointed in what people expect DaveJ Oct 2012 #131

like you i watched it live... lame54 Oct 2012 #132

I agree. I did pretty much the same thing. Silver Gaia Oct 2012 #134

wrong. wrong. wrong. cali Oct 2012 #135

I'm sure all of us did fleabiscuit Oct 2012 #137

I saw the debate as a draw too proud patriot Oct 2012 #136

I haven't posted on DU in years but I have to say I agree with the OP 100% Bread and Circus Oct 2012 #138

Exactly what I was thinking. mojowork_n Oct 2012 #139

As soon as I figure out fleabiscuit Oct 2012 #140

Hey, you just did. Thanks. mojowork_n Oct 2012 #156

i think your perception of what ensued is 100% correct. it was astounding....still is. spanone Oct 2012 #141

It's impossible to escape the narrative, it's a single voice repeatedly endlessly. freshwest Oct 2012 #142

I think you described it perfectly What Happened, Cha Oct 2012 #143

Regarding the "yes he did suck" argument. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #145

It's incredible we Chiquitita Oct 2012 #146

Plus MSM wants a femrap Oct 2012 #148

President Obama was holding up his end felix_numinous Oct 2012 #150

Denial rudycantfail Oct 2012 #151

I know, it's very frustrating to see Democrats Warpy Oct 2012 #152

worse: the media didn't REACT to the debate -- it was a PREPARED response. unblock Oct 2012 #153

Most of a debate is about perception budkin Oct 2012 #154

Romney did not win, but he did get away murder (so to speak) ecstatic Oct 2012 #157

Well said, Warren S. It is too easy for many to fall into the sheep category. Whovian Oct 2012 #158

Rachel Maddow's statement immediately after the debate was telling... jimlup Oct 2012 #159

A name has been dubbed for them DOOMSAYERS DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #160

Tonight the first ten minutes of Newshour was on & on & on about how disappointing Obama was and stuntcat Oct 2012 #162

Exactly! Window Oct 2012 #163

Who are you demanding to "wake the fuck up"??? Are you insinuating that you are awake rhett o rick Oct 2012 #165

Actually I was specifically referring to you. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #170

That's strange because I believe the President did well. Why are you cursing at DU members? rhett o rick Oct 2012 #173

Posted in the wrong location. rhett o rick Oct 2012 #172

I agree with that assessment Skittles Oct 2012 #168

Spot on. n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #174

I expected all along MFM008 Oct 2012 #176

People need to do some thinking about how entities like Choice Point have evolved since 2000. nt patrice Oct 2012 #178