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MineralMan

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60. Languages change constantly, through usage.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 11:48 AM
Mar 2021

They tend not to change, however, through prescriptive rules. American English, for example, in 1776, sounded somewhat different, used different spelling, and more. However, the language of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence is easily understood in 2021 by Americans.

On the other hand, word meanings have changed, or not changed. "All men are created equal" is generally understood as meaning "all human beings are created equal." However, in a historical sense, women and men were most definitely not treated equally at the time those words were written. The writers of the Declaration could have written, "All people are created equal," but they did not write it that way. They did not envision equality between men and women. So, we have a misunderstanding of word meanings and historical intentions.

As English developed from being a primarily Germanic language, it lost its inflective nature. Since English absorbed words from French and other languages, the rules of those other languages did not fit into English usage, so the inflections slowly faded away. We still have plurals like "oxen," as remainders of earlier roots. Pigs are animals. Pork is meat. Swine is an animal classification and is both singular and plural.

Usage changes languages. English is a pidgin or creole language, really, It is a loose assemblage of words, grammar, and other factors from many languages that works best as a non-inflected language. People spoke it as they spoke it, and that became what the language is, over time.

Non-gendered pronouns will emerge with usage, but it will take a very long time for them to become universally used by everyone in the same way. Until then, they will sound awkward to our ears and violate the "rules" we have absorbed through learning the language from childhood. A couple of hundred years from now, we will think nothing of that, and the language will have changed through usage.

I can read Chaucer's English. I cannot read the English of Beowulf without struggling. We all can read Shakespeare's English, but many people find that English to be a bit of a slog as well. We understand that "choose" was spelled "chuse" by our nation's founders, but it looks odd to us now. The letter we now know as "f" used to look very different. Once we know that, we can read freely, but it can be confusing until we know that.

Languages change very slowly. It takes generations for them to change universally. It's interesting, but only academically, really.

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The C-circumflex does not show up in thread titles. MineralMan Feb 2021 #1
Put in a regular C to make the title more readable. Klaralven Feb 2021 #3
workaround for the cedilla muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #10
Thank you! Klaralven Feb 2021 #11
Not quite the debate DarthDem Feb 2021 #4
Well, it is sort of changing the language. MineralMan Feb 2021 #6
It's strange to see the somewhat new practice of using "they" and "them" as singular. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2021 #19
A lot of it is just using plural nouns, so you can use they and them. MineralMan Feb 2021 #21
To be pedantic (in keeping with many of the replies to this OP!), singular they/them is not new. Emrys Feb 2021 #26
I bow to your pedanticism. Who'd'a thought to look to the 14th century? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2021 #31
Impossible to change? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2021 #8
Not in the same way French is. MineralMan Feb 2021 #9
I'm not talking about Modern English. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2021 #59
Languages change constantly, through usage. MineralMan Mar 2021 #60
American "equalization" is simpler and in most uses is simplifying Hortensis Feb 2021 #32
I was wondering when this particular aspect Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #2
"Gender" in linguistic terms is just a semantic/grammatical label. Emrys Feb 2021 #5
Yes, but the gendered nature of languages has an unconscious impact. MineralMan Feb 2021 #7
It does, but in modern English, gender isn't embedded in the grammar as it is in French. Emrys Feb 2021 #12
Yes. Writers and editors have to pay a lot of attention to usage. MineralMan Feb 2021 #14
True... did you know that... Happy Hoosier Feb 2021 #15
Add it to the pile of more or less useless facts I contributed myself above! Emrys Feb 2021 #24
As someone learning German.... it's a pain in the ass! NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2021 #13
Recite after me: Emrys Feb 2021 #25
Interestingly, it's not "just" a semantic/grammatical label. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #27
Yes, there are nuances there. Emrys Feb 2021 #30
Interesting. In Spanish it depends often on treestar Feb 2021 #51
Speaking of language issues, the phrase "tabled a bill" needs to die Silent3 Feb 2021 #16
Funny, I did not realize this until the last year or so, with debates over Brexit legislation. tritsofme Feb 2021 #41
This is like the LatinX thing Sympthsical Feb 2021 #17
It's always that way leftstreet Feb 2021 #22
I love when people get offended *for* me Sympthsical Feb 2021 #33
interesting analyisis Skittles Feb 2021 #43
Just my personal experience Sympthsical Feb 2021 #44
I do understand Skittles Feb 2021 #45
Yeah, we're on the same page Sympthsical Feb 2021 #46
Really interesting, we outsiders struggle to see the toxicity apnu Feb 2021 #48
But the thing is, I don't want you to be quiet Sympthsical Feb 2021 #49
You are fucking amazing apnu Feb 2021 #50
I agree with this assessment Skittles Feb 2021 #58
I know a few who use it, they are all under 30 and skinny LeftInTX Feb 2021 #38
Hey now, I love avocado toast Sympthsical Feb 2021 #39
Acting might be the one profession where having masculine and feminine nouns actually makes sense. Midwestern Democrat Feb 2021 #42
Completely agreed Sympthsical Feb 2021 #47
It's coming though! treestar Feb 2021 #53
You've touched on something I loathe Sympthsical Feb 2021 #54
I agree with the notion that acting is not gender neutral, but ... Staph Feb 2021 #55
I'm reminded of a story from Dark Shadows... Dr. Strange Feb 2021 #56
In the new version of The Stand (2020) Staph Feb 2021 #57
There is a lot of that treestar Feb 2021 #52
Good luck with that. jalan48 Feb 2021 #18
English is promiscuous. It accepts new words and grammars without much friction... hunter Feb 2021 #20
Those who write as a profession have style sheets to follow. MineralMan Feb 2021 #23
:) No editors, but a typist for my reports always changed Hortensis Feb 2021 #34
I'm seeing a lot of experimentation in Science Fiction and Fantasy. hunter Feb 2021 #37
I love reading Murakami translations due to similar Sympthsical Feb 2021 #40
Then one would have to go after most European languages EXCEPT English, Dutch and Scandinavian DFW Feb 2021 #28
The Scandinavian situation seems complicated Klaralven Feb 2021 #35
Kick burrowowl Feb 2021 #29
Well, in German, one can call a little girl "it" and a potato "she." NNadir Feb 2021 #36
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