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Ms. Toad

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9. It's the logical extension of the tip jar at the cash register -
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:52 PM
Mar 2021

which has irked me since it became a fixture sometime between 2000 and 2013. Now that more of us are doing drive-through (or order for pick-up off of shelves), the tip jar doesn't collect so many tips.

I think wait-staff should be paid a decent wage, and the price for that wage built into the prices charged for the food.

The current system has a number of flaws.

First - it shifts the choice for how much to pay workers to the customer rather than the employer, and as a practical mattter allows tipped workers who are routinely given the breakfast or lunch shift (lower bills; lower tips) to earn less than minimum wage with few consequences. When I was in college, classmates who were less favored by the local diner were routinely given the breakfast shift; the more favored were given the dinner shift.

Second - tipped workers rarely accurately report tips. (In 5 years of doing taxes, I never had a single client who reported additional tips. I am now reporting my daughter's tips on her tax return - but I also know my sister never reported her tips as a cosmetologist.) As a result - many of these workers are not receiving the social security they deserve (since social security is based on reported wages + tips). Since my sister (as an example) has less than $10,000 in savings at age 61, she will be working until she dies because her SS will not be sufficient to pay her bills. It probably still wouldn't had she reported (and paid SS taxes on her tips), but it would be closer if her tips had been paid to her on a W-2.

So, I resented it when the tip jar started appearing at my local coffee shop where I never did more than grab and go. It's right there were it is clear they are expecting a tip. Now that people are ordering from their cars, it is logical that they need to replace the visible tip jar with some other means of requesting tips to supplement the (below) minimum wage their employers are permitted to pay.

I always tip generously when we eat out - and other places where I know making minimum wage depends on tips. But it doesn't make me happy that both the tipped employees and the customer are put in this position.

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The cynic in me says that when workers are regularly tipped DBoon Mar 2021 #1
The cynic in me suspects that the cynic in you is 100% spot-on (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #3
always tip in cash DBoon Mar 2021 #11
Sage words (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #17
+1 dalton99a Mar 2021 #25
Bingo!! retread Mar 2021 #28
I would hope that would be illegal. pennylane100 Mar 2021 #15
Good point. Unless the owner divides the tips at the end of the day among the workers.. Frustratedlady Mar 2021 #21
Well you certainly maybe right. pennylane100 Mar 2021 #22
I'm tipping extra generous right now because we can work from home tanyev Mar 2021 #2
I am supporting my local businesses RainCaster Mar 2021 #4
You can pay workers less than minimum wage if tips are typical in their jobs Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #8
Everyone wants a freaking tip nowadays USAFRetired_Liberal Mar 2021 #5
You may have answered the question. Maybe it is due to a new tip option on cc machines. Frustratedlady Mar 2021 #12
I rarely go to a drive thru restaurant but blueinredohio Mar 2021 #6
Fortunately I don't live close to many chain outfits... 2naSalit Mar 2021 #7
It's the logical extension of the tip jar at the cash register - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #9
I hear you! Tipping in a sit-down restaurant doesn't bother me because they do have to serve you. Frustratedlady Mar 2021 #13
If you patronize Starbucks - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #18
It's good to hear that they divided the tip jar money up among workers. Frustratedlady Mar 2021 #23
I'm surprised at how much she is getting. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #31
It's the same with Chipotle. xmas74 Mar 2021 #24
True that not reporting tips hurts one SS, but it is also tax evasion MichMan Mar 2021 #29
It is tax evasion, Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Frustratedlady Mar 2021 #14
I've not heard of this happybird Mar 2021 #10
No, you're not behind the times. That "asking for tips in drive-thru"... brush Mar 2021 #16
Fast food restaurant workers were not tipped in the past. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2021 #19
Because of COVID, I haven't used a drive thru in over a year... RockRaven Mar 2021 #20
I see tip jars all over the place now. Sometimes I throw change in there, usually not. But... TreasonousBastard Mar 2021 #26
Which chains? Jose Garcia Mar 2021 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2021 #32
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