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34. from what I see, Manchin singlehandedly chopped almost 2000 usd from millions of adults/voters in UE

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 06:37 PM

Mar 2021

alone. House bill was 400 usd pw until end of August (22 weeks between start of April to end of August, that is 8800 usd)

Senate bill now, because of him, is 23 weeks (its extended to September 6) but only 300 usd pw, thus only 6900 usd in toto

Even if it was extended through end of September, it is still 1000 usd less (26 weeks X 300 is 7800)

Plus Manchin, Sinema, and Shaheen forced a lower cut off for the aid cheques, so 17 million (12 million adults, 5 million children) who got two cheques under Trump get zero under us. Horrid optics.

Both those are big own goals, complexly unnecessary, and no one has told me to any remotely adequate level how Manchin is aided in re-election (and he is not up for mearly 4 years anyway) by screwing over his own voters. Sinema has even less of an excuse, as Kelly, from the same state, did not do what she did.

The Rethugs did not force them, Manchin did, with help from Sinema (and Shaheen on the aid cheques)

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We won the House in 2018 with MODERATE candidates in swing districts... [View all] brooklynite Mar 2021 OP

i know.. i just hold my breath. I truely feel for those Dem senators in red areas...we DO samnsara Mar 2021 #1

Their job is to represent their constituents. aocommunalpunch Mar 2021 #3

That's not true. Manchin, for one, comes from a state that chose Trump by a HUGE margin. pnwmom Mar 2021 #46

WV constituents need/want money. Trump himself supported radius777 Mar 2021 #83

Manchin supported the payments, which, when added to the first 600, pnwmom Mar 2021 #84

True, but he was hemming and hawing radius777 Mar 2021 #85

Other than Manchin and lesser extent Tester USAFRetired_Liberal Mar 2021 #5

Have you noticed that Arizona has a GOP governor and legislature. It is not purple yet. You won't Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #16

I am done with your crappy analysis USAFRetired_Liberal Mar 2021 #22

Have a great day...no really. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #27

And being purple means the state is more centrist, not progressive enough pnwmom Mar 2021 #47

Warnock and Ossoff were victims of very negative campaigns using the words and policies.... George II Mar 2021 #61

A Couple Of Things To Remember, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2021 #2

This USAFRetired_Liberal Mar 2021 #4

True, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2021 #7

Excellent analysis nt Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #9

Nope moderate Democrats gave us both the House and Senate and that is a fact. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #17

Rolling eyes USAFRetired_Liberal Mar 2021 #21

This. Very well stated NewHendoLib Mar 2021 #6

Just so ibegurpard Mar 2021 #32

Moderates may also be elected as Democrats because the voter, pnwmom Mar 2021 #48

Moderates may also be elected as Democrats because the voter, pnwmom Mar 2021 #49

+1. and Biden/Ossoff/Warnock are mainstream center-left liberal Democrats, radius777 Mar 2021 #81

All politics is local...the candidate must fit the district/state they're running in... Wounded Bear Mar 2021 #8

That Is Widely Understood, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2021 #10

Exactly. The WV gov was asking for the $15 minimum wage. Manchin is protecting himself Thekaspervote Mar 2021 #14

The Democrats could not vote for the bill because the parliamentarian said it could not be done in Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #18

Two Points, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2021 #24

First of all, the House is going to vote on the Senate bill or so I hear...no conference. There Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #25

I Agree, Ma'am, There Should Be Further Bills To Raise The Wage The Magistrate Mar 2021 #33

Voting down minimum wage is not moderate. Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #11

I have had problems with both Sinema and Manchin on this latest bill dsc Mar 2021 #12

A $15 minimum wage passed in FLORIDA, a Trump state, by a 2 to 1 margin. bullwinkle428 Mar 2021 #13

Sad that this needs repeating on a regular basis mcar Mar 2021 #15

We would lose our majority. Same old bullshit that cost us 08,10 and 16. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #19

Biden hasn't been in office for 2 months yet mcar Mar 2021 #20

If we lose, it is on them that no Democratic policy is passed. You have to be realistic and do what Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #26

That's right mcar Mar 2021 #29

I know it is trying to one's patience treestar Mar 2021 #23

I fully understand the need of horses for courses, but what Manchin and Sinema Celerity Mar 2021 #28

The Covid bill which they both voted for is a good bill...so let's be happy about that. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #30

from what I see, Manchin singlehandedly chopped almost 2000 usd from millions of adults/voters in UE Celerity Mar 2021 #34

Funny you didn't mention the downticket races in 2020 wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #31

It tells me that far-left candidates would have performed even worse. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #35

there are no 'far-left' Dems currently in Congress, and none that even won a primary Celerity Mar 2021 #36

No it's not. It's reality. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #37

Wrong on all points, and your continuing to call them 'far left' hurts our party. Celerity Mar 2021 #39

It's all relative. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #40

You, by falsely labelling them as far left, are helping to perpetuate that warped reality. It is Celerity Mar 2021 #41

LOL NurseJackie Mar 2021 #42

Yup. There seems to be a huge rehab push here. Nixie Mar 2021 #75

Oh, that's a great way to describe it. Perfect analysis! NurseJackie Mar 2021 #87

Celerity, what's WRONG with "far left"? A lot of people here don't Hortensis Mar 2021 #66

That... was fantastic! Thank for your thoughts and analysis! NurseJackie Mar 2021 #88

Hear Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2021 #89

Let's say there are 100 people in a group. Of them 60 are in the middle.... George II Mar 2021 #62

Yet nary a word or scorn is uttered when "Conservadem" or "DINO" is bandied about... NurseJackie Mar 2021 #63

I saw good Democratic candidates labeled as far left LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #73

yes, and fellow Democrats using that false label, like i said here and on other threads, enables Celerity Mar 2021 #79

Again, your analysis is simply wrong and misguided LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #80

You miss the underlying points and are fixated only with your narrative. I AM talking about non deep Celerity Mar 2021 #82

All 112 Democrats who supported M4A won in 2020 wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #43

What a diverse country we have! NurseJackie Mar 2021 #44

All M4A candidates winning isn't "diverse" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #45

This old canard has been debunked dozens of times. Vermont-style politicians... NurseJackie Mar 2021 #50

How many were in purple or red-leaning districts? My guess is very few if any, and "M4A" wasn't.... George II Mar 2021 #57

That is not really true...Biden did not run on the M4A and he won. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #65

A number of moderates lost because the far left "agenda" was used against them in their campaigns... George II Mar 2021 #59

Not funny that you're Not Acknowledging Cha Mar 2021 #69

There is nothing "moderate" about... Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #38

It violates the rules of reconciliation, and everyone knows it. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #51

Aw c'mon.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #52

First, #FactsMatter NurseJackie Mar 2021 #54

Almost everything you listed there Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #55

Lulz. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #56

You do realize that we lack the votes to over turn the filibuster in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #64

Not "tradition". Reconciliation bills fall under a set of rules, they're not customary bills... George II Mar 2021 #74

The republicans didn't need the filibuster to defeat adding the minimum wage to the bill.... George II Mar 2021 #60

Manchin said today he is open to getting rid of the filibuster for the voting bill...and other Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #53

Yes we did, and we maintained the majority last year with mostly moderate candidates.... George II Mar 2021 #58

8 years not decades Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #68

Check who represented Staten Island, the predominant section of the CURRENT 11th District... George II Mar 2021 #70

Yes a democrat won in 2008 Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #71

Read my post again, it was republican from at least 1981 to 2011 (that's THIRTY years, "decades")... George II Mar 2021 #72

I read both your posts Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #77

The point is that Staten Island is in a RED district that has been dominated by republicans.... George II Mar 2021 #78

I wasn't commenting on your point Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #86

Manchin and Sinema are endangering the chances of other Democrats. Voters expect results. DTomlinson Mar 2021 #67

Yesterday voters got results, without skirting the rules of reconciliation. George II Mar 2021 #76

"the rules of reconciliation." DTomlinson Mar 2021 #90