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Fiendish Thingy

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79. Incorrect. Dems and constituents can keep on the heat, forcing Manchin to choose

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:09 PM

Mar 2021

Manchin must be forced to choose between killing/modifying the filibuster, and ending his career.

Less than a week ago, he was proclaiming “NEVER!!!”; today there are several threads on DU with an interview Manchin gave in which his position seems to soften, specifically around voting rights. He incorrectly suggests reconciliation could be used to pass voting rights, but also says the filibuster should be more “painful” to use- require actual speaking, and 40 senators present to sustain.

Things appear to be shifting ever so slightly...stay tuned...

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I guess I'm confused...It looks to me like the Covid Relief Bill will pass. [View all] MineralMan Mar 2021 OP

This is a touchdown by every measure. onecaliberal Mar 2021 #1

So maybe we missed the extra point after the touchdown hot2na Mar 2021 #46

Yes, we gotta keep up the pressure and keep pushing. onecaliberal Mar 2021 #70

There is no way to pressure Republicans...not one of them voted on the covid package which Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #86

I don't see the caucus is going to move on. onecaliberal Mar 2021 #90

Thanks for the pep talk! 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2021 #2

It's absolutely better than nothing.. ananda Mar 2021 #3

It is much, much better than nothing. MineralMan Mar 2021 #5

Sorry. Agree. No offense meant. ananda Mar 2021 #53

The GOP is against it because they know it will be popular. Ocelot II Mar 2021 #4

Exactly. I will be celebrating the day Biden signs it. MineralMan Mar 2021 #6

Well a minor point. The republicans did pass a $2 trillion package a year ago. CentralMass Mar 2021 #7

They HAD to LET it pass. They were pressured by public need so much that Hortensis Mar 2021 #28

No we are not...this is a good bill. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #81

Won't need a tie-breaker since Sullivan is gone....50-49 Nevilledog Mar 2021 #8

Thank you. betsuni Mar 2021 #9

My Pleasure. MineralMan Mar 2021 #14

Another thank you then! betsuni Mar 2021 #20

But for the Georgia runoff wins, none of this would be happening. sop Mar 2021 #10

You are exactly right. We need to make similar things happen MineralMan Mar 2021 #16

I'm sure Jaime Harrison is competent, and all, but Stacey Abrams should be head of the DNC. sop Mar 2021 #27

She's more useful where she is. The DNC chair is an administrator Ocelot II Mar 2021 #52

I am not certain Harrison is experienced enough honestly. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #82

The Georgia miracle made it all possible. LakeArenal Mar 2021 #11

Waaaa, I only got 90% of what I wanted comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #12

It's not perfect but it will still be a great help to many mvd Mar 2021 #13

The Unemployment Benefits... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #36

Yes I know mvd Mar 2021 #74

i'm bumed $15 didn't pass and it should be brought back up as a clean bill....... Takket Mar 2021 #15

There is still much that needs to be done to correct MineralMan Mar 2021 #18

It's excellent news, isn't it? greatauntoftriplets Mar 2021 #17

Yes, Indeed It Is! MineralMan Mar 2021 #19

Yes it is. Not only great for the citizens, but will be a wonderful accomplishment for those Dems Fla Dem Mar 2021 #56

I'm so old I remember how people would say mcar Mar 2021 #21

Exactly. MineralMan Mar 2021 #23

If Dems don't get the $15 through... hurple Mar 2021 #22

You do, eh? Well, I disagree. MineralMan Mar 2021 #24

Weren't you surprised that 8 Democratic senators voted against Hortensis Mar 2021 #42

a much better explanation of $15 MW stopdiggin Mar 2021 #69

Why? Do you think Repubs are going to attack Democrats for not passing a minimum wage hike? onenote Mar 2021 #43

Maybe the poster was suggesting that wnylib Mar 2021 #72

Not at all hurple Mar 2021 #75

I don't. I think so that is nonsense. And if the left does to Biden what they did to Obama then Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #83

It is a win/win. People just like to complain incessantly about every tiny development. TwilightZone Mar 2021 #25

Well, it's far easier to focus on details you don't like than to MineralMan Mar 2021 #29

And Sinema's Display was... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #38

The important thing is it was evident. Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #59

did anybody say that? (nt) stopdiggin Mar 2021 #71

Umm... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #77

okay -- then for the record stopdiggin Mar 2021 #80

This kind of level-headed pragmatism doesn't always play well here. 11 Bravo Mar 2021 #26

Most people here actually understand that this is a good bill. MineralMan Mar 2021 #30

The Only Reason Manchin Came Though.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #40

58 senators voted against. Manchin was NOT a swing vote on the MW, Hortensis Mar 2021 #49

If voting rights bill doesn't pass by fall, there will be no Dem "pickups" Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #60

The Best We Can Do with Manchin.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #78

Incorrect. Dems and constituents can keep on the heat, forcing Manchin to choose Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #79

I don't agree with you. But Manchin has indicated he is not opposed to changing the filibuster Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #87

Yes, I noticed some cracks appearing in Manchin's position as well. My position on HR1 isn't unique Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #88

Again...That Only Happens.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #89

How does Schumer find a work around for millions of disenfranchised voters? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2021 #91

Yeah.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2021 #92

Wrong and eight Senator votes against minimum wage...stop attacking Manchin who as always Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #84

I'm happy about it. Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #31

Whatever the income cap was would leave out some people. MineralMan Mar 2021 #32

True. Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #33

It passed. Unfortunately Sen. Sullivan had a family emergency and had to return home so VP Harris... George II Mar 2021 #34

Even better. MineralMan Mar 2021 #35

Hallelujah Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #37

Thank you. It's very nice to read a reality-based evaluation and summary. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #39

It was my pleasure. MineralMan Mar 2021 #44

It's a victory, bit not a complete victory. Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #41

Frankly I don't remember a single major bill passed through Congress MineralMan Mar 2021 #45

I agree. Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #50

Stop with the minimum wage. What part of it can't be done in reconciliatio do folks not understand? Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author BadgerMom Mar 2021 #47

What's got me scratching my head was the behavior of Sinema last evening. Texin Mar 2021 #48

She was going for drama, a la McCain. It failed. MineralMan Mar 2021 #51

Could be a good thing going forward... Jon King Mar 2021 #54

Maybe because it meant ignoring the Parlimentarian? CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #57

I think you may be correct. I seem to remember something about Texin Mar 2021 #76

Thank you Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2021 #55

We need to fight the minimum wage laws Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #58

Very well said. Maru Kitteh Mar 2021 #61

I'm beyond thrilled with this wryter2000 Mar 2021 #62

A great victory MoonlitKnight Mar 2021 #63

It's a very good thing and . . . peggysue2 Mar 2021 #64

A very good thing. It could even set the stage for more senate wins, as well. ancianita Mar 2021 #65

I certainly hope so. MineralMan Mar 2021 #67

... ancianita Mar 2021 #73

A win is a win is a win! bottomofthehill Mar 2021 #66

Thank God! This is what Joe, Kamala, and the American people needed. WE are the WINNERS!!! bluestarone Mar 2021 #68