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PatrickforB

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45. Due process is the cornerstone of our justice system. What that means is
Mon Mar 8, 2021, 12:38 PM
Mar 2021

that someone who is accused of something is innocent until proven guilty.

In terms of Cuomo, I will say the same thing I said about Al Franken - Let us have due process. Let there be a fair investigation so that those who are making the accusations can be heard, AND those against whom the accusations are made can be heard. Let the evidence then be weighed and a decision made.

Now, I will concede this is not a court of law, but it does have to do with our system of governance.

No one, no one, is saying not to listen to the accusers. But, what if someone accused you of something, and everybody piled on and called for your resignation, but maybe you didn't do it? How would you feel?

This is why we have a justice system, and why it is based on due process. No one wants accusers to simply say, "oh, this happened," and then have those they accuse bear the full weight of consequences before evidence has been presented and weighed, because what if the accusations are spurious?

Do we ALWAYS believe the accusers? That is a recipe for disaster. I would not want to live in a society where this was the case, because it would be horrible.

Do we always believe credible accusations? Yes, after they have been proven with actual evidence.

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No,If it is a political attack it's people who are behind other Democrats who want to be Governor JI7 Mar 2021 #1
So far .... apcalc Mar 2021 #2
I don't read the N Y Post, but trashing Cuomo is in the 'con interest. empedocles Mar 2021 #4
Likely true. Regardless, they'll still take it and run with it to vilify the whole party. ancianita Mar 2021 #26
Yeah! Ignore the victims! AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #3
Who said to do that? FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #33
So the victims should be listened to, but it's all a Republican plot? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #35
Doesn't have to be all a Republican plot FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #37
It is actually very simple Escurumbele Mar 2021 #40
So you DON'T believe the women and are in fact blaming them AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #41
Due process is the cornerstone of our justice system. What that means is PatrickforB Mar 2021 #45
Totally agree. luvtheGWN Mar 2021 #54
Thoughtful post. My wife doesn't work now, but back in the day - the wild and wooly 80s - PatrickforB Mar 2021 #67
And so it begins. 11 Bravo Mar 2021 #70
No. Cuomo's public critics have solid Democratic ties Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #5
It is pile on just like with Franken...I remember one said 'he looked at her funny'. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #11
Whather he should resign or not is seperate from identifying the reasons for criticism of him Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #16
I do believe the women. Two things at the same time can be true. apcalc Mar 2021 #20
Agree. They are taking advantage of his troubles to grift for Trump jmbar2 Mar 2021 #27
I'm think the same thing PatSeg Mar 2021 #44
How would you describe what happened to Al Franken? They didn't pile up without allowing an Escurumbele Mar 2021 #42
Women "piled onto" Epstein, Cosby, Schwarzenegger, Harvey Weinstein, and Trump also Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #61
And women filed lawsuits to boot... ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #73
The Franken and Cuomo situations are completely different . . . markpkessinger Mar 2021 #69
Much, much more credible... ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #74
Exactly. Due process has a lot going for it. n/t PatrickforB Mar 2021 #46
There remains a glaring commonality about the Cuomo/Franken publicity frenzies. jaxexpat Mar 2021 #47
Senator Gillibrand, a Democrat, was among the first to condemn Sen. Franken. luvtheGWN Mar 2021 #55
Absolutely. She jumped to accepting accusations from a Republican associated source Tom Rinaldo Mar 2021 #64
Or maybe he's just a feckless asshole whose hubris has brought a time of reckoning. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #6
Funny, I've been having the same idea... ananda Mar 2021 #7
Roger Stone is free now pandr32 Mar 2021 #51
I wish there were a way to go after him. ananda Mar 2021 #57
I wish we could nail his ass, too pandr32 Mar 2021 #65
I believe the women. Beakybird Mar 2021 #8
Yes, I have been assuming that too. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #9
It felt that way to me at first, but apparently in this case msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #10
With Cuomo, No. However, they are definitely behind the effort here in California to recall JohnSJ Mar 2021 #12
it's hard not to notice how convenient it all is. mopinko Mar 2021 #13
trump is desparate for a pardon in NY WhiteTara Mar 2021 #14
I only wish bdamomma Mar 2021 #31
that probably wouldn't change the narrative WhiteTara Mar 2021 #38
I'm waiting for the investigation to be over. blueinredohio Mar 2021 #15
Seems to me he should say, the women said no so I backed off. Srkdqltr Mar 2021 #17
Yes. I've thought Trump vendetta all along. Greybnk48 Mar 2021 #18
Well, here's a tweet from Stone right before the Franken scandal broke Budi Mar 2021 #19
" hmmmmm.... maybe"? Do the investigation and get it all out there. mitch96 Mar 2021 #21
Agreement again marieo1 Mar 2021 #22
It's certainly within the realm of possibility. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2021 #23
YA THINK!! I don't see why Cuomo should even consider resigning. He is being Frankened! usaf-vet Mar 2021 #24
I agree with you, this whole things has shades of t.... and his minions. Paper Roses Mar 2021 #28
Possibly a setup, but I would hate for us to go back to the days Dreampuff Mar 2021 #25
Me too was supposed to initiate thorough investigations not guilty verdicts. I Don't uponit7771 Mar 2021 #49
You may have something there, it does seem as if he's being attacked from all sides. Jay25 Mar 2021 #29
Well, actually does tRump et al want/need a rethug governor to possibly pardon him Texin Mar 2021 #30
I agree completely FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #32
Yes kpete Mar 2021 #34
I was thinking earlier about the fact that the Democratic governors of our two largest niyad Mar 2021 #36
apical, I don't think so. These are liberal women who were mistreated and are mad as hell. Martin68 Mar 2021 #39
Doesn't matter. KentuckyWoman Mar 2021 #43
Nope Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #48
ALL in the timing, n'est-ce pas? GoldenMezzoDiva Mar 2021 #50
It appears that two of the first three accusers are affiliated with Justice Democrats. George II Mar 2021 #52
So Trump got Democratic women to make these allegations ? progressoid Mar 2021 #53
+1 markpkessinger Mar 2021 #60
been saying this all along ShepKat Mar 2021 #56
After reading the Washington Post's story yesterday . . . markpkessinger Mar 2021 #58
With all these allegations against Cuomo, you would think one would take him to court. ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #75
Yeah, plenty of people wonder about that. malthaussen Mar 2021 #59
Maybe Cuomo is behind it Polybius Mar 2021 #62
One thing this scandal is doing... BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #63
Sorry, no. It's not a plot; it's a pattern. n/t markpkessinger Mar 2021 #66
Franken's offenses were when he was a comedian TexasBushwhacker Mar 2021 #68
The charges that took down Franken radius777 Mar 2021 #72
+1. The charges against Cuomo seem similarly hollow as the Biden charges, radius777 Mar 2021 #71
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