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grantcart

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Wed Dec 14, 2011, 03:24 AM Dec 2011

Romney is finished [View all]

I never thought that Romney had a chance for the nomination.

The Evangelical base would overlook any other fault in order not to have to support a Mormon.

From an establishment point of view he is damaged goods. Knowing the way they think their logic is that McCain was a terrible compaigner and he wiped Romney.

This time around Romney is not using tens of millions of personal dollars and while he has raised a lot of money most of it is from donors that have given the maximum.

That $ 10k bet misstep wasn't an ordinary misstep. It killed any possibility of him raising small donations.

Romney needs not just a win in NH but a commanding win because he foolishly moved there thinking that it would help him seal the deal. Not only didn't it add any support for him but in undermines his performance. If he wins it means little because it is his 'home' state. If he loses there they will say 'he can't win anywhere'.

One month ago Romney had a 27 point lead
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/nh-2012-primary-41-romney_n_1107372.html

2012 President: Republican Primary
41% Romney
14% Gingrich
14% Paul
9% Huntsman
8% Cain
3% Santorum
2% Perry
1% Bachmann
1% Karger
1% Roemer


Today Romney has a 10 point lead

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/13/nh-2012-primary-33-romney_n_1146278.html

2012 President: Republican Primary
33% Romney
22% Gingrich
18% Paul
10% Huntsman
3% Perry
3% Bachmann
3% Santorum


But a closer look at the numbers is even worse for Romney.

Between the two polls (and there are others that confirm today's results) Cain left the race freeing up 8% to be split among the other candidates.

Romney not only didn't pick up any support he lost some. While Gingrich picked up a lot, Paul picked up some (and all of the others picked up a little) Romney is the only one to have lost support.

One in five Romney supporters has left him in the last month.

And it gets worse.

The latest IA poll shows Romney in a weak third showing


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/13/ia-2012-primary-22-gingri_n_1146421.html

2012 President: Republican Primary
22% Gingrich
21% Paul
16% Romney
11% Bachmann
9% Perry
8% Santorum
5% Huntsman
1% Johnson

Right now he is only 5 points from 4th place and ONLY 8 POINTS AWAY FROM 6TH PLACE.

No one has more pressure on him on the next debate, and we all know how well he does under pressure!.

All of this hasn't gone unnoticed on Intrade where Romney shares on the nomination have lost 40% of the value in the last 4 weeks falling from a high of 70 to 40.

All of this is looking very grim for Romney because if he comes in a weak third or worse in Iowa his main message of "electability" will evaporate in NH and his campaign will collapse.

If you thought it was a zoo before, after NH the inmates will be taking over the asylum, in any case Cain's departure from the field showed that Romney has hit a very low and hard ceiling, that as people change their mind they don't choose him and some of the people that did choose him before are changing their mind.

As I have noted elsewhere all of this reinforces the liklihood of an open convention and a new set of candidates drafted from the floor, i.e. some Republican Governor.

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Romney is finished [View all] grantcart Dec 2011 OP
No one will be drafted from the floor. One of these clowns will emerge. And that's it. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #1
You are still operating on the old rules where a winner got all of the delegates. grantcart Dec 2011 #5
I'm not so sure. There's still plenty of time for Newt to implode. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #2
He's a runaway train. A train that will go off the cliff, imo. n/t deacon Dec 2011 #13
Newtie will be AWOL* by April SpiralHawk Dec 2011 #15
Good synopsis Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #3
I disagree.... JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #4
They have lots of people who look good in suits but don't have his baggage grantcart Dec 2011 #6
Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #9
I am all but certain it will go to the Convention. Firebrand Gary Dec 2011 #7
The 'fat lady' ain't even started yet! nt jannyk Dec 2011 #8
She's still gargling her lemon juice. Chipper Chat Dec 2011 #11
Yes probably so. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2011 #12
Who are the governors that have a shot? n/t RainDog Dec 2011 #10
They have 29 and they aren't all idiots grantcart Dec 2011 #21
When I hear Romney sendero Dec 2011 #14
Mr. Chairman, the Great State of Louisiana is proud to nominate Owlet Dec 2011 #16
The problem with Bobby Jindal is he isn't a very good orator. LAGC Dec 2011 #17
Just saw a couple of Ron Paul ads this morning that pick Newtie to pieces Skidmore Dec 2011 #18
FWIW, Intrade currently shows Romney at 49% and Newt at 32%. pampango Dec 2011 #19
But Romney was 70 just a few weeks ago and the key in a primary is momentum grantcart Dec 2011 #20
On Intrade, Romney seems to have regained momentum DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #22
We definitely aren't looking at the same charts grantcart Dec 2011 #23
I've been watching the percentages on the main page DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #24
Now I am confused when you hit on Gingrich's graph how do you conclude that he is slipping, grantcart Dec 2011 #25
There's an inconsistency there that confuses me DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #27
And now it's Romney 52.9%, Gingrich 28.2% DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #39
Right now on Intrade: Romney 61%, Gingrich 15% DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #45
I still don't see a brokered covention sufrommich Dec 2011 #26
Let's ask it this way. Currently no candidate is getting more than 35% in any one primary. grantcart Dec 2011 #31
It would be very hard for it to stay a 3 way race though. sufrommich Dec 2011 #37
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh grantcart Dec 2011 #42
This leads to an obvious question-- Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #28
No because I don't think anybody in the primaries is going to be the nominee grantcart Dec 2011 #32
That's interesting speculation. Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #38
I would look at this team grantcart Dec 2011 #43
The Republican machine is firing up behind Romney taught_me_patience Dec 2011 #29
Rick Perry, Mitt Romney internals show Newt Gingrich slippage, sources say DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #30
Interesting, especially the last two paragraphs grantcart Dec 2011 #35
If Romney doesn't get the nomination this time DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #36
Who are the people who would vote for Newt Gingrich!? Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #33
High end jewelry sales persons grantcart Dec 2011 #34
and divorce lawyers aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2011 #40
LOL! Wind Dancer Dec 2011 #41
An old college classmate of mine is actually heading up Newt's local campaign. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2011 #46
It'll be Jeb. They miss having a shrub in the WH. n/t Scuba Dec 2011 #44
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