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In reply to the discussion: I take major issue with Joe Biden's work visa plan [View all]Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I have not heard of that happening, but I have not been following H1B visas closely.
If President Biden has done nothing more than propose a policy, in my mind, that had nothing to do with the situation that you wrote about where a company is firing 75% of its IT employees, it doesnt look like what Trump tried impacted that decision. Maybe Congress is the place where policy that you and many others want to see gets done, in that sense, I am sure that once President Biden presents his Visa plan to Congress, it is going to get worked over, so maybe writing to your Reps in Congress (House and Senate) pointing out some the issues that you see would have an impact.
I am trained as an engineer and spent a couple decades plus working for large corporations. My experience was that IT was consistently one of the first departments to get downsized, often dramatically.
You made some good observations about corporations hiring H1B Visa candidates over US people, but I believe that you left out some things that I have noticed in those hiring situations, the H1B Visa people bring a higher level of exposure to coming or future innovations, all that I saw had Masters or PhDs and and done research in the field. I never went around finding out how much people were paid, but the H1B Visa people seemed happy with their pay and were able to buy pricey homes in some of the places that I visited during my career in corporate America.
I believe that you are not seeing how powerful Automation and Artificial Intelligence has been in IT job loss. A lot of IT jobs that I witnessed involved maintaining things like inventory control systems, manufacturing software, data collection and analysis. All of those areas underwent dramatic automation during my career in corporate America, so much so that when I left, I could perform a task that a decade before I left would have required that I enlist an automation person for software, a database person, and a secretary - literally three salaries lost because automation and AI allowed me to perform the work those people did in an 8 hour day.
The future that I see is not a good one for workers, that is why politicians should get serious about developing a working GI system (along with asking people to have fewer children, the exact opposite of what politicians are saying). Automation and AI are not going to stop. Business people today can source resources from around the world today, one depressing thing that I see is that if I need an advanced processing machine or natural chemicals, I only see companies in China and India doing that work, every once in a while I will find a USA company that is doing engineering, or is making natural chemicals on a very limited basis, a level that wont support intensive manufacturing. I believe that a lot of what I see is happening because US companies in those areas were disincentivized to invest in the future when big US companies went offshore for natural materials (and even food packaging, believe it or not), those US companies closed or moved offshore and the barrier for new US companies replacing them is very high (very simple and limited machines start at $90,000 and the one that are capable of intensive manufacturing go into a few millions - so a startup would need angel investors that are willing to pony up a lot of money with no certainty of return, just to see manufacturing done in this country again).