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Blue_true

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35. Did President Biden rescind Trump's EO on this particular issue?
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 10:14 PM
Mar 2021

I have not heard of that happening, but I have not been following H1B visas closely.

If President Biden has done nothing more than propose a policy, in my mind, that had nothing to do with the situation that you wrote about where a company is firing 75% of it’s IT employees, it doesn’t look like what Trump tried impacted that decision. Maybe Congress is the place where policy that you and many others want to see gets done, in that sense, I am sure that once President Biden presents his Visa plan to Congress, it is going to get worked over, so maybe writing to your Reps in Congress (House and Senate) pointing out some the issues that you see would have an impact.

I am trained as an engineer and spent a couple decades plus working for large corporations. My experience was that IT was consistently one of the first departments to get downsized, often dramatically.

You made some good observations about corporations hiring H1B Visa candidates over US people, but I believe that you left out some things that I have noticed in those hiring situations, the H1B Visa people bring a higher level of exposure to coming or future innovations, all that I saw had Masters or PhDs and and done research in the field. I never went around finding out how much people were paid, but the H1B Visa people seemed happy with their pay and were able to buy pricey homes in some of the places that I visited during my career in corporate America.

I believe that you are not seeing how powerful Automation and Artificial Intelligence has been in IT job loss. A lot of IT jobs that I witnessed involved maintaining things like inventory control systems, manufacturing software, data collection and analysis. All of those areas underwent dramatic automation during my career in corporate America, so much so that when I left, I could perform a task that a decade before I left would have required that I enlist an automation person for software, a database person, and a secretary - literally three salaries lost because automation and AI allowed me to perform the work those people did in an 8 hour day.

The future that I see is not a good one for workers, that is why politicians should get serious about developing a working GI system (along with asking people to have fewer children, the exact opposite of what politicians are saying). Automation and AI are not going to stop. Business people today can source resources from around the world today, one depressing thing that I see is that if I need an advanced processing machine or natural chemicals, I only see companies in China and India doing that work, every once in a while I will find a USA company that is doing engineering, or is making natural chemicals on a very limited basis, a level that won’t support intensive manufacturing. I believe that a lot of what I see is happening because US companies in those areas were disincentivized to invest in the future when big US companies went offshore for natural materials (and even food packaging, believe it or not), those US companies closed or moved offshore and the barrier for new US companies replacing them is very high (very simple and limited machines start at $90,000 and the one that are capable of intensive manufacturing go into a few millions - so a startup would need angel investors that are willing to pony up a lot of money with no certainty of return, just to see manufacturing done in this country again).

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Has to be changed by Congress treestar Mar 2021 #1
That's not the point crimycarny Mar 2021 #2
65000 of them per year under current law treestar Mar 2021 #31
Looks like Grassley and Durbin have a bipartisan bill to address this crimycarny Mar 2021 #13
I agree. The H1b system has a place, but it should not be used to hire cheaper labor. Laelth Mar 2021 #3
Charge the employer $100k a year per H1B. Problem solved. WarGamer Mar 2021 #26
They are required to pay prevailing wage treestar Mar 2021 #32
I appreciate the information that you provided. Laelth Mar 2021 #34
This is false in practice, the "prevailing" part is fudged consummately and not based on experience uponit7771 Mar 2021 #37
There's a fraud unit at USCIS treestar Mar 2021 #39
Then the current system is an after the fact enforcement vs per experience relative to confirmed ... uponit7771 Mar 2021 #40
Not at all - to apply for an H-1B for an treestar Mar 2021 #42
Oh yeah--forgot to add the execs are getting a 7.5% across the board bonus crimycarny Mar 2021 #4
Did Trump ever address the widespread abuse of process by the big corporations? Beastly Boy Mar 2021 #5
Is Biden going to address the widespread abuse? crimycarny Mar 2021 #7
Corporations are going to look for cheaper workers regardless of the laws. Thekaspervote Mar 2021 #23
The recipients should not be recipients...it has happened to my family members...I am against Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #18
Simple solution in the spirit of the law... WarGamer Mar 2021 #19
One of the biggest lessons that I have learned since moving into IT back in 2000 is... Yavin4 Mar 2021 #6
But it's not just IT, it's many STEM programs crimycarny Mar 2021 #8
+ 1000 Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #20
"And you can't have all managers and no workers" Yavin4 Mar 2021 #28
Did President Biden rescind Trump's EO on this particular issue? Blue_true Mar 2021 #35
To an extent I agree, but they'd replace them too if they could. OnDoutside Mar 2021 #10
Thank the deity-of-your-choice I've made it to 58 y/o without doing any of that Silent3 Mar 2021 #15
60 minutes did an expose on the abuses--not just IT but other STEM careers crimycarny Mar 2021 #9
It's a problem in BioTech... WarGamer Mar 2021 #17
..👍🏼 uponit7771 Mar 2021 #38
It's not only IT, high tech in general has an ageism problem RainCaster Mar 2021 #11
Yes, totally agree crimycarny Mar 2021 #12
Unfortunately your comment proves that this will happen regardless of the laws Thekaspervote Mar 2021 #24
DURec leftstreet Mar 2021 #14
Agreed, 100% WarGamer Mar 2021 #16
Agree...we need jobs. And I am sick of what amounts to corporate welfare. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #21
It's absolutely corporate welfare. WarGamer Mar 2021 #25
I didn't see any less outsourcing under Trump Buckeyeblue Mar 2021 #22
The issue is not the H1B program itself drray23 Mar 2021 #27
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2021 #41
If it can be made in China, it will be made in China dalton99a Mar 2021 #29
Sorry, imo this is a false flag. The REAL issue with IT is the refusal of workers to Unionize. Tommymac Mar 2021 #30
Post removed Post removed Mar 2021 #33
Trump's rise happened for a reason, and we need to take heed. radius777 Mar 2021 #36
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