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Solly Mack

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Thu Mar 11, 2021, 01:57 PM Mar 2021

When I was a child... [View all]

People would sometimes come up to my mother and ask her if she was the "Nanny" of her own children. While young, we were all towheaded and had a much lighter skin hue. I've spoken of this before on DU.

My mother was darker than Meghan, Duchess of Sussex.

Later, when I was engaged, my future husband's mother - a manipulative perpetual victim - wondered what our kids would look like. Even bothered by the fact any children could have brown eyes.

My own eyes are so dark brown they look black. A co-worker once asked to touch my hair. I gave her a look - because, seriously? I let her though. I was curious about her reaction. She said it was soft. Said she was surprised because it looked all wiry and coarse. Figures. My skin is white.

As a couple, we have chosen to live around and connect primarily with my family. For obvious reasons. My husband and I have managed to limit our contact with his family. His decision as well as mine.

I fully believe there was speculation from within the royal family about the skin hue of Harry and Meghan's children.

I know it happens.

It cuts deeper than a lot of people can realize. It's racism, yes - but saying it is doesn't really tell the story.

That speculation is a sign of rejection. Not just of you but any future children, grandchildren, etc.. It hits all the discordant notes that form white supremacy. And they are all discordant notes.

That you're less, inferior, and not even really human. As everything known about humans is only applied to white people under the white supremacy ideology. Same with white privilege - everything (socially/culturally/economically/even medicine) based on white skin means how things shape/affect those without white skin are ignored. That you aren't even a consideration if you don't have white skin.

That white is better than you and always will be. That acceptance only comes, and even then given only provisionally, based on the color of your skin. Even still, you know you'll be mocked and scorned behind your back. Never good enough. Never equal. Never really "one of them". You know your children will be treated differently.

And this kills you inside. Not the lack of the inclusion so much as to the reasons why. It's soul crushing.

I hated the people who asked my mother if she was my Nanny. They treated a woman I worshiped as less. They smiled glowingly at me - at first. They looked at me differently once my mother told them in no uncertain terms that she was not the Nanny and gave them the - fuck you for entertaining the thought - look she did so well. Then they saw me as less as well. You could see the change play across their face.

I am who I am today because of my mother. For good or for ill, she was my primary influence, shaping how I see the world - and people. I didn't always agree with her, and still don't, but her voice is always there.


Meghan Markle chose to protect her children. To protect herself and her children. Her husband has done the same. To protect his family.

Because that's what you do when someone wonders what "color" your children will be. Because if it matters to them they will make for damn sure it becomes an issue for your children. They have let you know exactly what they think of you and exactly how they will treat your children.


This isn't really about the monarchy. The UK monarchy can die out or not, I don't care.


It's about the damage racism causes. It's about the harm and the pain it causes. It's about understanding precisely why you would keep your children away from such a toxic environment.

Thanks for listening.




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When I was a child... [View all] Solly Mack Mar 2021 OP
Thank you for that heartfelt explanation. Your mother-in-law's type of ignorance, Atticus Mar 2021 #1
Solly Mack, this is very moving and movingly written. I'm white, Oldem Mar 2021 #2
I go through life with white skin and people see that first Solly Mack Mar 2021 #46
I'm not able to make a rec yet. lpbk2713 Mar 2021 #3
Thank you for posting; and I am so sorry for the racism and pain you experienced. lucca18 Mar 2021 #4
Kicking and reccing. I just wish that I could wave a magic wand, and make all the pain and niyad Mar 2021 #5
Thanks for sharing this hurtful personal story. It reminds me that I have family records abqtommy Mar 2021 #6
I live in the Flathead! Would be ecstatic to hear more Maru Kitteh Mar 2021 #19
My great-great-grandmother and her husband lived in Kalispell. That's where my abqtommy Mar 2021 #27
It's a big world and a small world, all at the same time. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #44
Yes, it's a big world for big hurts and a small world for small hurts and some of us are abqtommy Mar 2021 #52
I sometimes despair and I sometimes say "Fuck'em". Solly Mack Mar 2021 #64
Yes. It's awfully good to make your acquaintance. abqtommy Mar 2021 #68
Thank you Solly Mack! alwaysinasnit Mar 2021 #7
Multigrain people get extra points from me. multigraincracker Mar 2021 #8
Multigrain people! lol I just say I'm a Heinz 57. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #42
I like that! "Multigrain people" - so much more delicious and flavorful than white bread! calimary Mar 2021 #47
Yep, pure bred dogs are a result of multigraincracker Mar 2021 #65
We've ALWAYS had good luck with mutts. calimary Mar 2021 #72
We love our multigraincracker Mar 2021 #73
LOL, I can relate... lambchopp59 Mar 2021 #94
My stepdaughter, who is half Irish, half Italian Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #9
We always ask, "What do you need?" (after any medical thing, even birth). Maybe one day that will be Solly Mack Mar 2021 #40
Today that baby is 34 years old and Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #51
My wife heard a similar remark from my mother-in-law. NNadir Mar 2021 #10
I'm sorry your wife had to be on the receiving end of that comment. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #38
We just rolled our eyes. Frankly she wasn't the worst racist in either of our families. NNadir Mar 2021 #63
Thank you for the excellent post. I have an ethnic heritage that led to decades of crap. I will Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #11
We are a multi-ethnic family as well. A true melting pot of flavorful stew. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #37
I never envisioned it to be what the torn-off bandaid of the last 4 years has revealed. Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #53
The thing is, the Trump years didn't bring any surprises as far as racism is concerned. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #55
That is true. It just was given permission to come forward and the flames fanned. A disgrace IMHO. Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #78
Agreed. Promoted, encouraged, and praised. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #80
years ago i saw a young woman on tv (probably in her 20s) orleans Mar 2021 #54
Rainbows are beautiful. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #57
lol. thanks for the chuckle! nt orleans Mar 2021 #59
lol. thanks for the chuckle! nt orleans Mar 2021 #60
Thank you, my dear Solly Mack, for your bedrock post. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2021 #12
Thank you! MineralMan Mar 2021 #13
There is always homegirl Mar 2021 #14
Wondering if a child will have red hair isn't the same as wondering if they'll be black or white Solly Mack Mar 2021 #36
Best explanation that I have seen or heard. h2ebits Mar 2021 #15
I'm white because my skin is white and that's what people first see. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #35
Thank you Solly Mack, great post. Your wise words ring with truth from personal experience. c-rational Mar 2021 #16
Racism is why I am the only sibling living in the Caribbean malaise Mar 2021 #17
We kept to our own family for the most part while growing up. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #32
My MIL's first words about me: "What is she?" Maru Kitteh Mar 2021 #18
I'm sorry that happened to you. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #28
Solly, thank you for sharing your experience and feelings. TygrBright Mar 2021 #20
KnR. Thanks for sharing your experience with us all. And you're spot on, it's the damage and pain iluvtennis Mar 2021 #21
Thank you for such a comprehensive and eye-opening view that you have shared with us. secondwind Mar 2021 #22
I agree with you on all points. But , wouldn't you say that mixed race people are demigoddess Mar 2021 #23
I wouldn't say that, no. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #26
I have to agree with you, on a personal level of what I find attractive. Combining Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #76
I wish I could give this post 100 recs! Tanuki Mar 2021 #24
I love this!! KT2000 Mar 2021 #25
That's exactly what happened and in an instant too. Like a blow across the face. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #86
Thanks Solly Mack. spanone Mar 2021 #29
I was born in Dallas in 1944. Mickju Mar 2021 #30
Thanks for sharing and I can relate 100%! IrishAfricanAmerican Mar 2021 #31
I look forward to the day when speculation about skin color Warpy Mar 2021 #33
Margaret Cho was doing a routine one night when she said a person asked her how to Solly Mack Mar 2021 #77
That kind of question has never occurred to me Warpy Mar 2021 #84
Best advice I was ever given was to shut up and listen. That was over 50 years ago. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #85
Interesting, that incident. soldierant Mar 2021 #87
You were hoping to learn something new but not everyone has a good motive. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #88
I was - and I did - I learned I was better off as a human being without soldierant Mar 2021 #103
But because you opened yourself up to a new experience, you learned something even better. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #104
Thank you. I'm still trying. soldierant Mar 2021 #106
When my wife was in high school, she was either dating or friends with a boy of Italian descent. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #34
Goodness. Family drama abounds in my own family. But that's a story for a time that will Solly Mack Mar 2021 #48
Thank you for this, Solly Mack Hekate Mar 2021 #39
Thank you for sharing your story so eloquently PatSeg Mar 2021 #41
❤ nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2021 #43
Thank you for opening up with your very personal truths. denvine Mar 2021 #45
Well said and on the money. Thank You. Magoo48 Mar 2021 #49
The worst type of racism comes from people who don't think they are. Aussie105 Mar 2021 #50
Thank You kooth Mar 2021 #56
It should go without saying... Behind the Aegis Mar 2021 #58
True. The labels may change but the fear and ignorance seems to cling tightly. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #61
Thank you for writing. Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #62
K&R JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #66
Mine got thinner, noticeably so, on one side. I found that annoying. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #69
Strength and love and K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #67
Right on, Solly Mack, right on! MLAA Mar 2021 #70
K & R chowder66 Mar 2021 #71
That was a great post Solly samplegirl Mar 2021 #74
How horrible for your sister and you! Solly Mack Mar 2021 #75
I just have say this samplegirl Mar 2021 #82
A great post! yellerpup Mar 2021 #79
Thanks for sharing this cate94 Mar 2021 #81
Thank you seta1950 Mar 2021 #83
Thank you for posting this MustLoveBeagles Mar 2021 #89
I hope Meghan and Harry do better over here and eventually the peeps on the other side of the pond TigressDem Mar 2021 #90
aye aye Roc2020 Mar 2021 #91
I'm white and can't believe it took me 50:years to see how stupid most whites are lostnfound Mar 2021 #92
Great post! Solly Mack Mar 2021 #101
K & R mountain grammy Mar 2021 #93
WHY do people feel entitled to ask stupid questions??? Moosepoop Mar 2021 #95
Because they hold one idea of the world and they think they're being nice, not stupid. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #100
What a poignant post flibbitygiblets Mar 2021 #96
Sadly, there are so many stories out there with mine being one of the minor ones. Solly Mack Mar 2021 #102
i don't care if it was his father or his brother (convinced it's one or the other), barbtries Mar 2021 #97
Thank you Wild blueberry Mar 2021 #98
Wonderful post, sorry that you and your mother had to endure that kind of behavior. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2021 #99
Heard former Sen. Carl Levin yesterday... Kid Berwyn Mar 2021 #105
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