Obama vs Ron Paul : both hold positions anathema to liberals.

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62. I think we should stop saying libertarians take "correct" positions for "crazy reasons".

They don't take "correct" positions in the first place.

It's an absolute pain in the arse to explain what's going on though to people who aren't particularly familiar with libertarianism. You have to make a libertarian argument to show what they're thinking. Then you have to explain why that argument is wrong.

We had a whole host of people on here the other day who couldn't understand why Rand Paul said the Civil Rights Act was an overreach because he "can't have a cigar bar anymore". http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002144546 24 replies and nobody seemed to understand what he was saying. One DUer said "Man, is he off the wall... He's absolutely bouncing from one thing to another and one doesn't have anything to do with the other."

Rand Paul made perfect sense to me but then again I spend a lot of time dealing with libertarians. It didn't take me five seconds to follow the connection he was making there. I'm not asking you people to understand libertarianism, that's a huge waste of time, but if you don't grasp the differences between negative rights and positive rights, and libertarian property rights, please don't defend libertarians if you're a progressive.

They use similar language to what progressives do but they don't mean the same things.