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stopdiggin

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79. yes. unfortunately that is so

Sun Mar 21, 2021, 04:27 PM

Mar 2021

I can agree to 'honor' (and/or respect) their beliefs the same way that I would a religious service at a wedding or funeral. Not the same thing at all as sharing that belief. Do I believe that the Black Hills are sacred? No I don't. Important to some people in a cultural context (that I might not ever fully appreciate?) -- sure thing! I can try to work with that, without ever acceding to the idea that their mores and beliefs override my own.

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A push back to those DUers who are comfortable making blanket condemnations of Christianity. [View all] LAS14 Mar 2021 OP

Personally, my blanket condemnations are directed at the idea of believing supernatural things ... Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #1

THIS n/t malaise Mar 2021 #18

Yeah, that Martin Luther King sure was a dope johnnyplankton Mar 2021 #23

Good point. nt LAS14 Mar 2021 #25

Compartmentalization coupled with upbringing and an indoctrinated sense of guilt. Sibelius Fan Mar 2021 #32

I didn't shit on anyone Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #34

So MLK wasn't a dope, he was just easily duped? 11 Bravo Mar 2021 #71

Your implied Argument From Authority is fallacious (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #77

So, Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein, and Carl Sagan were all dopes? Goodheart Mar 2021 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Mar 2021 #138

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2021 #57

Who created the conditions that Dr. King worked to change? Mariana Mar 2021 #69

You were born with the right to an opinion. Goodheart Mar 2021 #91

Martin Luther King was not perfect. Goodheart Mar 2021 #92

Christianity makes that clear. Humans are flawed. Kaleva Mar 2021 #148

LOL. We don't need Christianity to know that humans are flawed. Goodheart Mar 2021 #158

Yep Sibelius Fan Mar 2021 #29

That is your opinion. I am a Christian and get annoyed with such what I consider arrogance. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #33

I don't really 'object that other's believe' Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #37

"My stance is that the supernatural is not real." Mariana Mar 2021 #56

Everyone who is religious has to reckon with the fact that vast majority of the planet ... disagrees Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #59

A primary reason the planet is so fucked up. Goodheart Mar 2021 #96

You have the right, just like anti-vaxers and climate deniers! nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #52

Hardly the same thing...two are based on denying science the other is based on Faith...and frankly Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #101

Make believe is fun! Nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #120

He/she most certainly DOES have that right. Goodheart Mar 2021 #95

He or she most certainly does not have the right to object to how I live my life...he/she can Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #102

I can object to ho others live their lives CrackityJones75 Mar 2021 #114

You might want to reread the First Amendment to the Constitution. Mariana Mar 2021 #136

"no right to object" Piasladic Mar 2021 #97

My response was that a poster said he/she had the right to object to what I believe in terms Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #103

Of course someone has the right to object to how you live your life CrackityJones75 Mar 2021 #115

Many Christians don't hold our First Amendment in high regard. Mariana Mar 2021 #135

I am a Warm Deist and I am somewhat put out by the post. Blue_true Mar 2021 #125

sorry, but what is a "warm" deist? n/t orleans Mar 2021 #133

" ... you have no right to object if others do." Mariana Mar 2021 #134

Rec! Sur Zobra Mar 2021 #41

And yet when Native Americans declare some ground "sacred" to them is that also nonsense? EX500rider Mar 2021 #50

Yep. I don't bring that up here because it will be regarded as impolite ... Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #53

American Indians have talked about spirits, invisible forces that guide their lives. Blue_true Mar 2021 #127

Of course it is obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #67

Not at all. EX500rider Mar 2021 #86

The poster didn't mention Christianity at all. nt. Mariana Mar 2021 #70

Yes that's why I asked, many here at DU who are contemptuous of Christian beliefs.. EX500rider Mar 2021 #85

There's no reason to suppose that the poster actually meant to say Mariana Mar 2021 #116

yes. unfortunately that is so stopdiggin Mar 2021 #79

So true, make believe is fun! nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #51

No Ghost Adventures show for you! nt. Xolodno Mar 2021 #78

Have you ever thought deeply about why you exist and the purpose. Blue_true Mar 2021 #123

The closest thing there is to 'magic' IMHO ... is creativity. Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #132

Love this PasadenaTrudy Mar 2021 #159

+100000000 Celerity Mar 2021 #137

People believe in aliens', flat Earth, Q, all vaccinations are bad and so on. Kaleva Mar 2021 #147

Exactly msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #154

"After 70 years of living..." It's time you had a new experience. Check out sojo.net. net LAS14 Mar 2021 #155

what is sojo? msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #157

I blanket condemn all religions equally. SoonerPride Mar 2021 #2

Now that we can understand the universe? :-) nt LAS14 Mar 2021 #3

So we understand the workings of the the Universe? nt Blue_true Mar 2021 #128

I have blanket condemnations of all organized religion. LakeArenal Mar 2021 #4

I would never profess to being a Christian randr Mar 2021 #5

As long as church and state stay apart, I won't begrudge our leaders their faith, Croney Mar 2021 #6

I don't blanket condemn anything qazplm135 Mar 2021 #7

Given my experience of the world Bettie Mar 2021 #8

Man created God to control woman. And others he doesn't like or approve of. CrispyQ Mar 2021 #21

Yeah, I did the whole church/Sunday school as kid too Bettie Mar 2021 #26

Imo, you have it backwards, Bettie. Humanity has toxic and corrosive Hortensis Mar 2021 #47

Overall, my experiences with religion and very religious people Bettie Mar 2021 #87

I'm not a person of faith, but I see little difference of morality Hortensis Mar 2021 #89

I like that old saying. NT raccoon Mar 2021 #144

Good points. Blue_true Mar 2021 #129

You can almost tell what kind of Christian someone is by the political party they identify with. CrispyQ Mar 2021 #9

Yes, the louder they Jesus the worse they are. JNelson6563 Mar 2021 #11

Almost, but not quite. I like to spread the word about sojo.net, although I'm not, LAS14 Mar 2021 #12

The ones that are vocal and in your face about their Christianity, yes. Blue_true Mar 2021 #130

"God" was invented when we didn't know where the sun went at night. JNelson6563 Mar 2021 #10

The article isn't a pushback against atheism, it's only an acknowledgement that not all lindysalsagal Mar 2021 #13

I didn't mean to imply that it argued for the truth or falsehood of Christianity, only that... LAS14 Mar 2021 #14

Yes, people here can make generalizations about treestar Mar 2021 #15

But Christianity is Black or White FreeState Mar 2021 #28

It's just as true of politics. hunter Mar 2021 #66

nah. Christianity (in it's varied and myriad forms) stopdiggin Mar 2021 #73

I'll repeat what I said to another post. That is a ridiculously ignorant statement. nt LAS14 Mar 2021 #81

Not as ridiculous as a statement saying 'there is a god(s)'. Celerity Mar 2021 #141

Politics is black and white. Dems are good. Repubs are bad. Kaleva Mar 2021 #146

Thank you for mentioning both black-and-white thinking and the way we treat people. CBHagman Mar 2021 #117

It's not those who follow religion that are the problem, it is those who lead. cayugafalls Mar 2021 #16

Sorry, but the followers are just a guilty of the endless suicides lindysalsagal Mar 2021 #64

I do not disagree. If you re-read my post, you will find that so. cayugafalls Mar 2021 #76

There must be something to it frazzled Mar 2021 #17

Hey, Ireland beat England last night and France beat Wales. GoneOffShore Mar 2021 #24

I consider Christianity as one of the most evil institutions in the world vlyons Mar 2021 #19

Did you vote for Biden? sarisataka Mar 2021 #27

So what? Sibelius Fan Mar 2021 #35

+1 chowder66 Mar 2021 #49

You could've voted for something else vs "evil" 🙄 uponit7771 Mar 2021 #60

+1 obamanut2012 Mar 2021 #68

I don't vote based on religion vlyons Mar 2021 #54

No you don't, you wouldn't have voted for Biden. Come on people, blanket condemnation is lazy uponit7771 Mar 2021 #58

A Christian is a person. Christianity is not a person. Mariana Mar 2021 #99

A person, like Biden, follows the outlines of Christianity which you're calling evil. Please stop uponit7771 Mar 2021 #100

A base tenant of Christianity is that humans are born with a flaw - a sinful nature A HERETIC I AM Mar 2021 #107

No its not, evil is what evil *DOES*. You got a tenant of Christianity that even breaks the laws ... uponit7771 Mar 2021 #111

Oh come on. The most fundamental tenet of Christianity Mariana Mar 2021 #112

Evil and sinner are two different concepts, we know that uponit7771 Mar 2021 #152

Jesus taught patience, tolerance, peace, forgiveness, and generosity vlyons Mar 2021 #143

You make good points. Blue_true Mar 2021 #131

It's a mistake to make blanket condemnations of anything MustLoveBeagles Mar 2021 #20

Including current Republicans? Sibelius Fan Mar 2021 #40

If based off their current leadership actions then no. Nazis were evil because of their actions ... uponit7771 Mar 2021 #62

"policy of genocide when it came to kidnapping children" EX500rider Mar 2021 #90

Don't have to, UN defined Article II Part E Genocide includes taking children from a group of uponit7771 Mar 2021 #98

Taking children from the parents permanently.. EX500rider Mar 2021 #113

The kidnapping *WAS* permanent seeing the Trump administration had no plan to rejoin children uponit7771 Mar 2021 #142

I agree completely with Kristof... TreasonousBastard Mar 2021 #22

Do progressive Christians take their porridge with or without sugar?...nt SidDithers Mar 2021 #30

Christianity has been corrupted beyond all recognition. Fortunately, the people in charge have been Karadeniz Mar 2021 #31

Self Delete sarcasmo Mar 2021 #36

Is there any real difference between holding Christian beliefs and holding QAnon beliefs? Sibelius Fan Mar 2021 #38

I tire of the endless judgment Christians face. I belong to a progressive church in Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #39

How in the hell do you know atheists weren't handing out food? Sibelius Fan Mar 2021 #42

I changed that because you are absolutely right( even before I read your post)...Athiest Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #44

What non-believer organizations are there in your area? Sibelius Fan Mar 2021 #65

"First of all stop thinking Christians are supposed to be better people..." Mariana Mar 2021 #84

Next on the agenda, "Not all white people." hunter Mar 2021 #43

I don't care about anyone's faith. Just look up the word. DFW Mar 2021 #46

+1! Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2021 #88

The issue here is that some people seem to think some beliefs Mariana Mar 2021 #109

You're confusing condemnation of Christianity with condemnation of Christians. meadowlander Mar 2021 #45

+1 chowder66 Mar 2021 #55

Precisely Blasphemer Mar 2021 #108

All religious organizations are a money grab. SoCal Roomba Mar 2021 #48

"All religious organizations are a money grab." is a ridiculously ignorant statement. nt LAS14 Mar 2021 #63

That's why Mother Teresa died rich. 11 Bravo Mar 2021 #72

Her net worth was around $100-million at the time of her death. Sibelius Fan Mar 2021 #82

Magical thinking of any kind should be ridiculed. gibraltar72 Mar 2021 #61

maybe dissuaded ? stopdiggin Mar 2021 #83

Dissuasion requires the ability to make a coherent and thoughtful argument. 11 Bravo Mar 2021 #93

My ire is mostly directed at the evangelicals... Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2021 #74

freedom of choice BootinUp Mar 2021 #75

There is considerable doubt that Jesus existed at all. Goodheart Mar 2021 #80

Christianity has changed a lot from its early beginnings. Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2021 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Mar 2021 #104

I'm an atheist. IDGAF what you are as long as you vote democrat. Rizen Mar 2021 #106

Christianity has a long sordid history. roamer65 Mar 2021 #110

Personally, I don't think religion should be thought of as a religion. LiberalFighter Mar 2021 #118

Ephesians 4 Klaralven Mar 2021 #119

I may have slipped, but every time I believe that I have criticized Blue_true Mar 2021 #121

"Believe it if you need it If you don't, just pass it on" jcgoldie Mar 2021 #122

I'm a Christian by choice. hamsterjill Mar 2021 #124

Pretty weak pushback... NeoGreen Mar 2021 #126

Is there a sale on logical fallacies that I missed? Celerity Mar 2021 #139

A rec because I'm not religious, but I agree about the blanket condemnation so prevalent here. Crunchy Frog Mar 2021 #140

What I don't like is Christians who are arrogant, raccoon Mar 2021 #145

To me the point of being an atheist is that you want to ignore religion. betsuni Mar 2021 #149

not ignore Piasladic Mar 2021 #150

No. betsuni Mar 2021 #151

If Jesus ran for President against Trump, more than half of the self identified Christians Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2021 #153

Tell me, is there such a thing as a Christian who isn't "self-identified"? Mariana Mar 2021 #156

What DUers are doing that? MineralMan Mar 2021 #160

Locking... DonViejo Mar 2021 #161