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Amishman

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Tue Mar 23, 2021, 06:58 PM Mar 2021

The reality on promoting a new weapons ban [View all]

I see a lot of frustration, justifiably so, after the recent shootings. Many seem to think with just a little coaxing, we can get a new assault weapons ban passed.

There are more obstacles than I think many here realize.

1) passing the House. Our margin is thin, and we are dependent on some reps from purple areas with a strong firearm tradition. It will likely be extremely tight getting to votes in our own party for it.

2) passing the senate. Getting 10 Republicans isn't happening, no matter how many shootings occur, so forget that avenue. That leaves ending the filibuster. Manchin is reluctant as is Sinema. I think we'll have more getting cold feet about it if the reasoning is to put a gun ban to a vote. I can see that only adding to Manchin and Sinema's reluctance. But also can see Warnock, Kelly, and even Hassan being wary of voting yes under those conditions with 2022 looming in their gun friendly states.

3) The courts. There are plenty of Trump judges who would throw an injunction and this would quickly hit the supreme court. Not only do we have to overcome a 6-3 conservative majority, there is also the matter of the Heller decision. The 08 Heller decision indicated that guns that are in common use are constitutionally protected for ownership. This gives them a tailor made excuse to strike it down. This common use challenge to assault weapons bans has not been heard by the court yet, but could easily tear down not only a future national ban but many existing state controls.

Se will call this defeatism, it's just realism. The cards are not in our favor for pushing a ban at the time. Senator Coons pretty much said this recently, indicating that on gun control passing a small bill is better than failing to pass a large one. We should listen and make background checks our focus, it's still progress. Sadly it's also still a long shot, but at least might have a slim chance.

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As much as I hate it we could also lose both redstatebluegirl Mar 2021 #1
Yup, we have a bunch of people who don't realize how much this could hurt us Amishman Mar 2021 #4
I think many of them live in bright blue areas. redstatebluegirl Mar 2021 #5
But Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #8
Maybe they should reclassify domestic mass shooting events as terrorism bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #2
Every year we do nothing puts millions more of these gunz on the street. Hoyt Mar 2021 #3
So we should be reasonable at actually try something that might work Amishman Mar 2021 #6
Why not just let you gun protectors have one six gun and you have Hoyt Mar 2021 #10
See, that attitude is why we can't get anything passed Amishman Mar 2021 #13
LMAO. You should be willing to give up your gun-fetish to stop this crud. Hoyt Mar 2021 #14
Again, the belligerent uncompromising attitude is a great example of why we fail Amishman Mar 2021 #15
Better to achieve something significant, like fixed, low cap mags. Hoyt Mar 2021 #16
Well yes Calculating Mar 2021 #17
Part of the problem. But, your legally owned gunz and all the crap those with that industry Hoyt Mar 2021 #22
And yet former guy, his enablers and supporters have killed 500,000 people without abqtommy Mar 2021 #7
Playing politics while innocent people get mowed down is not the answer jcgoldie Mar 2021 #9
Thank you. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. crickets Mar 2021 #11
You won't even get all the Democratic Senators supporting an AWB hack89 Mar 2021 #12
Push for something reasonable like universal background checks Calculating Mar 2021 #18
I agree. Nt hack89 Mar 2021 #19
Absolutely. Straw Man Mar 2021 #21
Don't agree. That's the position of those trying to protect their gunz. Hoyt Mar 2021 #23
You call your perspective realism. LanternWaste Mar 2021 #20
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