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handsofthedevil

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52. No, he didn't...

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:44 PM

Oct 2012

But in the frame of popular opinion, he got his ass whooped. He also had it whooped by the media. I also disagree with the rope-a-dope mentality. I think the President just had a very terrible debate and got some terrible advice in respect to the strategy he employed. Issues like Benghazi are really starting to hurt the President amongst the wishy-washy low information voters (a.k.a. stupid people).

Romney's starting to lead in the polls and the bounce is not evaporating. It's clearly a result of the debate. Biden's performance was stellar, but VP debates don't turn the tide.

IMO, Obama needs the performance of his life in the town hall setting to stop the bleeding. It's amazing to me that one debate has had this kind of effect, but the entire race is starting to head towards toss-up.

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For the 500,000,000th time... Obama did not lose that debate. [View all] Zalatix Oct 2012 OP

i do not know about a cheat sheet, but... continual lie doesnt win the debate. seabeyond Oct 2012 #1

Duers should make a list of anyone pushing that absurd meme that Obama lost- just ridiculous RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #2

What should we do with the list? pintobean Oct 2012 #18

So you can ignore everyone. randome Oct 2012 #32

2 months pintobean Oct 2012 #41

I am not talking about the common folk followers RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Oct 2012 #19

And we could post that list under a bridge somewhere. cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #23

Put my name at the top, please. Next to Obama's & everyone else here on Earth. DirkGently Oct 2012 #37

I have an idea what Hissyspit wanted to say. randome Oct 2012 #39

ah, lists. how democratic. Here is my take. the impression is more important than roguevalley Oct 2012 #55

Too much deception PATRICK Oct 2012 #87

the whining is indicative of their belief that Paulie lost. What is maddening about the roguevalley Oct 2012 #97

you can put me on your list then quinnox Oct 2012 #71

Oh, by all means a list NoPasaran Oct 2012 #94

points to you! grasswire Oct 2012 #108

LOL, and do what with the list? Ban them? Make fun of them? Logical Oct 2012 #105

the list was to know who NOT to trust in the future, which 'leaders' RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #110

I agree, Pres. Obama did not lose. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #3

Agreed. CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #4

+100 flamingdem Oct 2012 #5

if the overwhelming percentage of voters say you lost, then you lost scheming daemons Oct 2012 #6

That is the long and the short of it. Case closed. randome Oct 2012 #11

if the media fakes what the voters really think to manufacture consent RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #12

Pretty much this. Curtland1015 Oct 2012 #13

If the overwhelming percentage of voters say the world is flat, avaistheone1 Oct 2012 #14

Yes, if the shape of the Earth was being determined by an election cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #20

Bingo!!! Zalatix Oct 2012 #75

If the media tells us the overwhelming percentage of voters say the world is flat RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #111

Can we be exactly sure the polls are only about the debate? treestar Oct 2012 #17

Agree that the pliable voters only real decision occurs on Nov 6. nt. andym Oct 2012 #98

Bullshit. The overwhelming majority of people believed Iraq was tied to the 9/11 attacks Cali_Democrat Oct 2012 #31

It's not ABOUT what's true. Curtland1015 Oct 2012 #35

And how many ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #34

who is doing the polling...? I'm not sure I trust polling anymore. fascisthunter Oct 2012 #47

Agreed... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #86

sadly true Cosmocat Oct 2012 #88

Romney won the debate by lying Enrique Oct 2012 #7

Eclectablog guy agrees.. Cha Oct 2012 #8

Because he didn't win it, either. randome Oct 2012 #9

yes obama did`t lose the debate madrchsod Oct 2012 #10

"did't" ????? nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #58

I don't remember in 2008 the debates being such a big deal treestar Oct 2012 #15

You LOSE a debate when the other side benefits more from the F'ing debate cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #16

You mean you LOSE a debate when the crowd changes the rules of engagement Zalatix Oct 2012 #78

Who the hell cares about the bullshit you're listing? This election is about WINNING jsmirman Oct 2012 #89

Ah, the ever-immature "MMA Ape Beatdown" style of debate Zalatix Oct 2012 #92

Why are you playing at nonsense? Figure out the messages that win and WIN jsmirman Oct 2012 #93

I get it, you stand by troglodyte rules of debating. No need to repeat yourself. Zalatix Oct 2012 #95

In the President's own words, why he lost. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #21

So you trust someone that bad at debating to analyze who won a debate? cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #22

Hey, at least Obama knows what the truth is. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #25

Ha! Ha! Good one! randome Oct 2012 #29

Thank you. BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #24

Damn right. Sometimes I think people are deaf. Demoralization leads to lose.Obama won. graham4anything Oct 2012 #26

Denial leads to loss, too. Obama freely admits he lost the debate. What's the problem with that? randome Oct 2012 #27

Romney said he was going to use zingers. did he? (no he didn't.) graham4anything Oct 2012 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author orpupilofnature57 Oct 2012 #28

yes he did Skittles Oct 2012 #30

Oh for Pete's sake. Yes, he did. Stop telling people what to think & say. DirkGently Oct 2012 #36

Well said. randome Oct 2012 #38

agreed! The OP is missing the point entirely, it's not about Mitt's lies! RiverStone Oct 2012 #54

Obama is human. He had a bad night. The numbers tell the story. I'm still voting for him. Biden won Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #63

i think the cheat sheet part has been debunked, barbtries Oct 2012 #40

He lost the debate by not calling them lies, just looks at the polls if you need proof krawhitham Oct 2012 #42

That's what I keep sayin'. Obama acted calm, cool, collected! Rmoney acted like a cracked-out bully! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2012 #43

My two cents: LoisB Oct 2012 #44

no doubt God is more pleased with Barack Obama's performance than with Mitt Romney's - but most of Douglas Carpenter Oct 2012 #45

Republicans know how to push back and defend their own. TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #46

O needs to be aggressive... people here like ass kickings fascisthunter Oct 2012 #48

Does it MATTER? demwing Oct 2012 #49

I think Obama won, oldbanjo Oct 2012 #50

Once upon a time a couple of priests, who had vowed to never jtuck004 Oct 2012 #51

No, he didn't... handsofthedevil Oct 2012 #52

I wish Obama didn't say he didn't do well babsbunny Oct 2012 #53

He had to! handsofthedevil Oct 2012 #57

If indeed a handler... sendero Oct 2012 #84

thank you nt OneBlueDotBama Oct 2012 #56

Its a loss when you don't correct the BS spewed by the other side. iandhr Oct 2012 #59

The truth is your friend. If the purpose of a debate... Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #60

Meh. Denial doesn't alter reality. That said, the debate hardly makes the election. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #61

Accept it, he lost Carnage251 Oct 2012 #62

If more undecideds started leaning toward Romney than Obama... thesquanderer Oct 2012 #64

When you don't COUNTER those lies and nonsense, you sure as fuck DO lose it. MotherPetrie Oct 2012 #65

It doesn't matter he won or lost- there was a measureable effect afterward... JackN415 Oct 2012 #66

He lost by any objective standard IMHO quinnox Oct 2012 #67

You, my dear quinnox, are not Belieber. Bucky Oct 2012 #104

They got the effect they wanted and ProSense Oct 2012 #68

ABSOLUTELY correct, he didn't lose. nt Raine Oct 2012 #69

To 500,000,000th vanity thread on this same subject Doctor_J Oct 2012 #70

I agree. The LIAR lost! SalviaBlue Oct 2012 #72

it's the deniers keeping it alive... lame54 Oct 2012 #73

Once upon a time we had a media that would have ripped a liar like Romney to shreds.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #74

Post of the day. The media really dropped the ball. Zalatix Oct 2012 #76

when no one in the media defended Dan Rather, it was the end. graham4anything Oct 2012 #80

And Obama had never seen television before? cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #81

Do you not understand what's happening to the media?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #99

So your suggestion is that we just don't win any elections cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #100

R#40 & K for, thanx!1 nt/ UTUSN Oct 2012 #77

Agree, and pisses me off to keep hearing the 'meme' even from our friends. elleng Oct 2012 #79

If you ace the SAT, but are caught with a cheat sheet containing all the answers, Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #82

Is this sub-debate really still going on? Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #83

Obama didn't DEBATE. He just made statements. budkin Oct 2012 #85

Obama didn't lose the debate... meaculpa2011 Oct 2012 #90

You may be right! He let Romney B Calm Oct 2012 #91

Because it was NOT a "debate". bvar22 Oct 2012 #96

Rec # 50.. Permanut Oct 2012 #101

I agree with you! sweetladybug Oct 2012 #102

You sound like those Republican senators saying "It's not about sex" Bucky Oct 2012 #103

Dr. Dean said Obama didn't lose the debate. grasswire Oct 2012 #106

rMoney "won" that debate like Lance Armstrong "won" the Tour de France backscatter712 Oct 2012 #107