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123. Yes, it is counterproductive

Fri Apr 2, 2021, 10:47 AM

Apr 2021

Democrats should be praising and celebrating this proposed bill today, then built on it or make adjustments later. Show the public that Democratic lawmakers are focused and united for the American people, not constantly squabbling among themselves. Our message needs to be clearer and more consistent.

Obviously, we are not mindless sheep like republicans, but not all our disagreements need to be aired on cable TV every day. It gives the impression to many that we are a party in disarray, even though I don't think we are. Debate the differences in committee or on the House or Senate floor. Taking them to a television audience first comes across as political opportunism and showboating. Meanwhile, republicans love it and will exploit it every chance they get.

So many politicians get so enthralled with the sound of their own voice, they fail to hear what the voters are hearing.

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I think AOC handed herself admirably on Rachel's show tonight [View all] al bupp Mar 2021 OP

Mature and uniting. aocommunalpunch Mar 2021 #1

She is an extremely impressive politician al bupp Mar 2021 #5

Except that President Biden's plan wasn't presented accurately. As noted elsewhere here on DU: George II Apr 2021 #101

It's the right tone. It signals that she understands where we are at the same time onecaliberal Mar 2021 #2

I thought Joe Biden was clear the 2 trillion is a first step. brush Mar 2021 #3

He stated that it was a two phase project. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #6

OK, then let's make it a 5 phase project al bupp Mar 2021 #18

I would prefer accomplishments at containing COVID first. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #21

Actually, I think it is a matter PatSeg Apr 2021 #80

+1,000! SheltieLover Mar 2021 #32

It will be the best not step if more politicians don't push the fact that alone ColinC Mar 2021 #23

Actually, it revealed the shallowness of the brand building. Nixie Mar 2021 #4

or, alternative take, it may simply show the shallowness of the criticism of her Celerity Mar 2021 #20

I was talking about the brand building and the rote Nixie Mar 2021 #28

+1000000 betsuni Mar 2021 #30

Whoa. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #34

I suppose it is inevitable PatSeg Apr 2021 #82

Damn! NurseJackie Apr 2021 #99

Biden formally released his plan late afternoon. It's only the biggest plan in the history.... George II Apr 2021 #78

If you watched the Maddow interview, examples were given. Celerity Apr 2021 #81

Biden's plan is, in fact, a total of $8T, not $2.2T. There's a second phase that will bring it up... George II Apr 2021 #114

I suppose it has always been like this PatSeg Apr 2021 #83

Slow and Steady wins the race sheshe2 Apr 2021 #106

Excellent example! PatSeg Apr 2021 #109

Ha. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #111

Oh well PatSeg Apr 2021 #112

Good to see you! sheshe2 Apr 2021 #115

Hi she! So good to see you, too! Nixie Apr 2021 #116

I only found out tonight that you had changed your name. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #117

That really made my day, she! Nixie Apr 2021 #118

I have been doing that for three years now. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Tbear Mar 2021 #7

This! Me. Mar 2021 #9

Yes, referring to him as "Biden" is deeply disrespectful. brush Mar 2021 #10

Fair point al bupp Mar 2021 #15

With all due respect, you are her constituent? sheshe2 Apr 2021 #37

With all due respect, I think her vote results speak for themelves al bupp Apr 2021 #42

So you are saying you are not her constituent. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #48

I am saying that over 2/3 of voters in her district reelected her al bupp Apr 2021 #50

Excellent point PatSeg Apr 2021 #84

You are 100% correct. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #102

You're welcome sheshe! PatSeg Apr 2021 #105

Biden/Harris won more votes in her district than she did.. Callado119 Apr 2021 #91

Excellent point, Callado. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #103

Her constituents don't want her to refer to him as President Biden? I doubt that. n/t pnwmom Apr 2021 #41

It's very disprectful. She doesn't really like Biden Wanderlust988 Mar 2021 #16

Yes, it's PRESIDENT Biden. George II Apr 2021 #100

Oh, she doesn't call Cha Mar 2021 #19

Thank you, Cha. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #25

Mahalo, Cha! SheltieLover Mar 2021 #35

Aloha & Mahalo backatcha, Sheltie! Cha Apr 2021 #44

Absolutely! SheltieLover Apr 2021 #45

Did you see the interview? al bupp Apr 2021 #54

and the time she just said Biden first, she used President later on in the sentence (she says 'on Celerity Apr 2021 #60

The need to be butthurt overwhelms rational discourse Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #85

It really does Bettie Apr 2021 #98

+infinity! sheshe2 Mar 2021 #22

I agree LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #52

not an AOC fan chillfactor Mar 2021 #8

A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon we'll be talking real money. oasis Mar 2021 #11

Yes, real money that the voters will thank us for! /nt al bupp Mar 2021 #12

And Before you know it.. it's the biggest Infrastructure.. Cha Apr 2021 #53

I put my trust in Biden's plan. His team of advisors have a better oasis Apr 2021 #55

Exactly, oasis.. Well done! Cha Apr 2021 #56

Exactly PatSeg Apr 2021 #86

According to the constitution, all spending must begin in the House of Representatives questionseverything Apr 2021 #113

Speaker Pelosi will not stand in the way of Biden's agenda. oasis Apr 2021 #120

Not ridiculous, rather expanding the Overton window al bupp Mar 2021 #13

I agree. KPN Apr 2021 #46

yes, it is ridiculous to say 40 billion usd (over 8 years, so 5 billion a year) for public housing Celerity Mar 2021 #14

Sarcasm aside al bupp Mar 2021 #17

400,000 live in public housing of some sort in NYC, which is 1/3rd of the 1.2 million Celerity Mar 2021 #36

No doubt the need is there but to expect a bill to make up decades of neglect... brush Mar 2021 #26

in the interview, she did strike a 'I am behind Biden' pose, she just is going to push for more Celerity Mar 2021 #29

Sometimes it's best to just say nothing and work behind the scenes. brush Mar 2021 #31

People operate in different fashions and manners. The ultimate behind the scenes Senator is Sinema, Celerity Apr 2021 #39

I think Sinema can be overcome. Manchin has signalled that he may be... brush Apr 2021 #57

I nust went back and re-watched the whole interview. You are so overstating what she did in terms of Celerity Apr 2021 #58

Ok, I watched it. I had just seen the clip of her calling him "Biden" before. brush Apr 2021 #61

fair enough, and thanks for the reply brush, I apologise if I came across a wee bit argy bargy Celerity Apr 2021 #62

"Public housing" needs to go beyond bricks and mortar as well. The middle class is quickly being KPN Apr 2021 #51

She's possess a brilliant mind, she seems know math exceptionally well msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #24

all you say plus NJCher Apr 2021 #43

Exactly msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #66

Good to have team players, when your team is worth playing for! BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #27

Didn't catch it, but she certainly has elderly white folk in a tizzy. demmiblue Mar 2021 #33

Oh Really? And just why Cha Apr 2021 #38

Wait, I thought the scripted personal insult was elderly white WEALTHY women. betsuni Apr 2021 #40

Oh that's right! I Was Cha Apr 2021 #49

Some kind of "identity politics" insult thing? betsuni Apr 2021 #59

Yes, that was really a very peculiar thing to say PatSeg Apr 2021 #88

Exactly, Well said! We learn Cha Apr 2021 #92

Yes, if we're lucky PatSeg Apr 2021 #95

For a while it was fashionable for some people to call themselves "FDR Democrats" betsuni Apr 2021 #107

And you know, PatSeg Apr 2021 #110

AOC was glowing like my wife did when she was three months pregnant. RandySF Apr 2021 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Tbear Apr 2021 #63

Here's the video for those who missed it: Rhiannon12866 Apr 2021 #64

Our future President n/t jcmaine72 Apr 2021 #65

She won't be president. She is smart and more than capable but she can't win a statewide or Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #70

Well said PatSeg Apr 2021 #89

They will...next we will here how the left is abandoning Biden...fact is we have a50 50 Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #94

I keep hearing the same thing over and over again PatSeg Apr 2021 #96

He has exceeded mine also. I would be annoyed with any House member that went on Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #122

Yes, it is counterproductive PatSeg Apr 2021 #123

This sort of thing is one reason we lost in 2010,2014 and 2016. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #127

Yes, I'm afraid you're right PatSeg Apr 2021 #129

I am optimistic also. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #131

No one can ever win a statewide or a national primary/election. Until they do. Autumn Apr 2021 #90

I disagree. And no need to insult those who's opinion differs from yours. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #93

You make that statement often that AOC can't win an election outside of Autumn Apr 2021 #108

She can't at the moment. Could that change? Sure. But right now she can win only in Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #121

I'm hoping so, too. Kid Berwyn Apr 2021 #75

"Upping" it? That was 5X what Biden is proposing. I hope she has some numbers on: George II Apr 2021 #67

She's proposing it be 10T over a period of years al bupp Apr 2021 #72

Did she say what the money was to be used for or where it would come from? Biden did. George II Apr 2021 #73

She thinks the President's proposal is impressive & inspiring al bupp Apr 2021 #77

In other words she didn't say what the money was to be used for or where it would come from. Tks. George II Apr 2021 #79

Your reply, sir, tells me are not interested in a discussion of the details al bupp Apr 2021 #87

Not true, but perhaps others aren't? Here are some unmentioned details of President Biden's plan... George II Apr 2021 #104

There is only so much we can get. AOC does not understand that...not every has her Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #68

And only hours after President Biden released his proposal. George II Apr 2021 #71

Yep, the timing was quite interesting indeed. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #126

It wasn't even time enough people to see what was actually IN the proposal. This has been posted.... George II Apr 2021 #128

Problem is, she DOES understand that. Hortensis Apr 2021 #124

You are right. And that is exactly why I was unhappy about the interview. Surely, she can see Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #125

It is a two phase program... CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #69

She did mention that the plan is to implement program over a number of years al bupp Apr 2021 #74

I get that but this is the biggest in a LONG time. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #97

AOC has Biden's back. And ours. I'm always happy to see her talking up what needs to be done. . Autumn Apr 2021 #76

She did a great job... tonedevil Apr 2021 #130