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Fokker Trip

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138. Intersting question.

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 12:02 PM

Jan 2012

I think that if cannabis were legalized you'd see the use of manufactured drugs(basically all other drugs) fall off a cliff. I believe that the "problem" use of hard drugs has risen steadily since cannabis was made illegal.

All drug use is a form of coping mechanism, if the coping can happen with a non-harmful herb/drug like cannabis then I don't think many users would go on to use things like meth, cocaine, heroin, etc.

Now once those are used it is difficult to stop, I get that, but cannabis is even being used in treatment programs to help get people off hard drugs.

The rule of thumb is that the more processed a drug is the more harmful it is. Coca leaves are a really useful drug for those who chew them, but concentrated down to cocaine, well then the trouble starts.

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What Consenting Adults Do In Private Is Their Own Business. Period. [View all] Yavin4 Jan 2012 OP

Thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #1

What about cruelty to animals? Shrek Jan 2012 #2

Animals Cannot Give Consent Yavin4 Jan 2012 #5

I'm not sure how that's relevant to your post Shrek Jan 2012 #8

Animals Cannot Give Consent Yavin4 Jan 2012 #11

Sure, I'm not disputing that at all. Shrek Jan 2012 #14

Because the animal can not consent, it is not legal. Even if the adults do consent. jeff47 Jan 2012 #71

I think the OP was referring to mutual agreement by two human beings. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #80

Yavin4 has clearly answered your 'question' a number of times now. Matariki Jan 2012 #83

You seem to be actively striving to miss the OP's point. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #99

Because no one ever wants to argue the actual point, they need to drag in non-consent & non-adults Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #150

if the post read: Jamastiene Jan 2012 #110

An animal is not a consenting adult. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #156

The OP didn't bring up animals. You did. The OP has made their position clear. yardwork Jan 2012 #134

Therefore, the flushing a goldfish down the toilet is illegal also? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #139

Bad analogy.. MicaelS Jan 2012 #6

None n/t Shrek Jan 2012 #10

I think its painfully obvious from the OP that anything like that it unacceptable. phleshdef Jan 2012 #7

Wow! slutticus Jan 2012 #115

The Missionary position is the only Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #3

You Forgot That The Lights Have To Be Off Yavin4 Jan 2012 #12

if the lights are turned off then the Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #52

Night vision goggles? The Genealogist Jan 2012 #77

As they do their armed patrol of the neighborhoods?? Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #91

Sure! The Genealogist Jan 2012 #109

What do you think the original purpose of drones was? Jamastiene Jan 2012 #111

Agree 100%... MicaelS Jan 2012 #4

You Should Check out Ken Burns' Documentary on Prohibition Yavin4 Jan 2012 #9

Recorded it on Tivo...plus I bought the book MicaelS Jan 2012 #23

There, that was nice and simple. :) woo me with science Jan 2012 #13

I haven't heard anyone say otherwise Whisp Jan 2012 #15

If Someone Was Abused As A Child, Then We Should Get them The Help That They Need Yavin4 Jan 2012 #21

I'm not talking about that. Whisp Jan 2012 #36

"but can a woman be said to give full consent when her life has been ruined by abuse" Yavin4 Jan 2012 #65

I'll repost this here: Whisp Jan 2012 #79

First, you've yet to back up your stat. jeff47 Jan 2012 #92

it is not 'my' stat Whisp Jan 2012 #95

You are the one presenting the stat as truthful. jeff47 Jan 2012 #98

I stopped doing link wars way back when Whisp Jan 2012 #105

So, didn't find any to back up your claim then? jeff47 Jan 2012 #120

I'll let you think you won this one. Whisp Jan 2012 #123

The definition of consent does not change LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #154

I would guess that the majority... Wait Wut Jan 2012 #144

They don't care. redqueen Jan 2012 #22

I like this one: Whisp Jan 2012 #96

Do you realize how insulting that is? LeftyMom Jan 2012 #38

I disagree. Whisp Jan 2012 #40

I have. LeftyMom Jan 2012 #51

you can't be saying that Whisp Jan 2012 #53

Where am I saying that? LeftyMom Jan 2012 #58

the 25% are not victims. I already said that. Whisp Jan 2012 #67

Using Your Logic, If A Person Experienced Sexual Abuse, Then They Can Never Give Adult Consent Yavin4 Jan 2012 #68

no Whisp Jan 2012 #69

Please. redqueen Jan 2012 #70

There will always be assholes who take advantage of emotionally traumatized women for sex Hugabear Jan 2012 #73

What I am asking here of DUers Whisp Jan 2012 #74

Should a man who has sex with such a woman be considered guilty of rape? Hugabear Jan 2012 #78

not at all. Whisp Jan 2012 #86

So, If Someon Experienced Sexual Abuse As A Child... Yavin4 Jan 2012 #82

no, I guess you still don't understand what I am asking... Whisp Jan 2012 #87

Consent is consent Hugabear Jan 2012 #97

is it really so black and white? Whisp Jan 2012 #101

Straw man argument Hugabear Jan 2012 #107

that's your question at hand, not mine. Whisp Jan 2012 #108

Yes, it is black and white. woo me with science Jan 2012 #124

another whoooooosh! Whisp Jan 2012 #125

Is it black and white? Yes. You yourself do a disservice to both child abuse victims & rape victims Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #153

We are looking on them as humans jeff47 Jan 2012 #85

see my post 87 Whisp Jan 2012 #88

I don't understand why there's this need or attempt to muddy concepts like "consenting adults" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #152

If they can not consent, then you do not think they can't be out on their own. jeff47 Jan 2012 #76

Consent is not a black and white issue. redqueen Jan 2012 #81

Consent and exploitation are not the same. jeff47 Jan 2012 #89

There are lies, damn lies, and there are statistics. redqueen Jan 2012 #93

If you can't prove the problem exists, why should we put people in jail to solve it? jeff47 Jan 2012 #102

How many of the men, mostly perhaps, have also been abused, mistreated, raped, taught jtuck004 Jan 2012 #118

That's a very good point and I also think that the OP is a good point. This is the grey area. yardwork Jan 2012 #135

So women who have been abused are children, unable to ever make decisions about their own lives? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #147

Meanwhile, the "mile high" club could be flying over your house while you worry about the gestapo. Democrats_win Jan 2012 #16

+1... SidDithers Jan 2012 #17

Very much in line with my own thinking on the matter Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #18

me me me... i only have to think about ME. oh wait... progressive? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #19

What do you mean? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #20

i am saying it is another call out thread on the prostitution thread. stating buy a body to use,... seabeyond Jan 2012 #24

So, No One Else Is Allowed To State An Opinion? Yavin4 Jan 2012 #28

i didnt tell you not to state an opinion. you stated your opinion. then i stated mine. seabeyond Jan 2012 #32

thank you for the explanation DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #30

so it is all about me me me and fuck everyone else. ok. we differ in opinion. i dont think it is seabeyond Jan 2012 #35

sure, no problem. Just let us know the appropriate hour and day to post about our own concerns DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #41

Please Charlemagne Jan 2012 #43

I don't think there's anything selfish about staying the hell out of other people's bedrooms Major Nikon Jan 2012 #114

You think it's progressive to dictate to others what they can or cannot do in their bedrooms? Upton Jan 2012 #33

I Like How You Project Your Own Arguments and Just Ignore My OP Yavin4 Jan 2012 #34

but the argument has already been explained to you why you a statement like that is false. seabeyond Jan 2012 #39

from the OP Charlemagne Jan 2012 #42

If Making Prostituion Illegal Gets Rid of Child Sex Slavery... Yavin4 Jan 2012 #49

From the OP... uppityperson Jan 2012 #66

Is every thread a call out thread... Charlemagne Jan 2012 #37

I guess you remember the Roman Polanski defenders here... Whisp Jan 2012 #44

Can't Speak for Other Posters, But I Clearly Stated Adult Consent Yavin4 Jan 2012 #45

was that response to you? Whisp Jan 2012 #47

was that response to you? no Charlemagne Jan 2012 #50

no, Polanski's victim was tho. Whisp Jan 2012 #54

"so I have no idea why he jumped in and tries to tell me what I can talk about and what I can't." Charlemagne Jan 2012 #55

you his lawyer? Whisp Jan 2012 #57

Nope Charlemagne Jan 2012 #59

Strangely enough, other posters don't need your consent to respond to your comments. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #103

that is strange Whisp Jan 2012 #104

yup. lol. i have heard it all. also a hoot in that hawkings thread seabeyond Jan 2012 #46

We are listening Charlemagne Jan 2012 #48

excuse me sir, but you seem to have Whisp Jan 2012 #56

Or we could try discussing the issues Charlemagne Jan 2012 #60

yes daddy Whisp Jan 2012 #61

Ok Charlemagne Jan 2012 #62

okey dokey Whisp Jan 2012 #64

It was mildly cute, for a minute. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #84

as you are Whisp Jan 2012 #90

and this means? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #94

Children can not consent. They do not apply to the OP. jeff47 Jan 2012 #72

I'm Thinking About Everyone Yavin4 Jan 2012 #26

What's fucking selfish is wallowing in the delusion that it's your job to run other peoples' lives. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #148

Unless they're smoking cigarettes, then it may also be their employers business. n/t hughee99 Jan 2012 #25

But..but...some of the things they do are vewy, vewy, naughty, and, even worse, pleasurable. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #27

yep. barbtries Jan 2012 #29

I love your Charlemagne Jan 2012 #31

I f married, these couples HockeyMom Jan 2012 #63

Absolutely +1000. polly7 Jan 2012 #75

Hey the teabaggers are all for freedom from big goobermint... workinclasszero Jan 2012 #100

Unless they are killing each other, selling/buying people or children, etc... Rex Jan 2012 #106

it is very simple quinnox Jan 2012 #112

are you referring to prostitution or homosexuality or both? tnvoter Jan 2012 #113

It doesn't get simpler than that. slutticus Jan 2012 #116

what would you say to this incident then? provis99 Jan 2012 #117

If everyone involved can consent, yes. jeff47 Jan 2012 #121

No. This Is Wrong. Yavin4 Jan 2012 #122

Acceptable is not the same as illegal(I know you know this). Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #136

so murdering someone to eat them is all cultural? Ok then. provis99 Jan 2012 #155

Yup. /nt jtuck004 Jan 2012 #119

How offensive some of these conclusions are. woo me with science Jan 2012 #126

Seconded n/t Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #127

so true. i was molested as a child La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2012 #130

Devil's advocate here Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #128

thank you..I was beginning to think the authoritarians were dominating the left as much as they Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #129

They sure do seem to be coming out of the closet around here though. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #137

A-fucking-men! n/t backscatter712 Jan 2012 #131

in general, I agree but consider if I want to manufacture crystal meth and base cocaine maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #132

Intersting question. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #138

Disagree... Hepburn Jan 2012 #141

AMEN!!! knr Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #133

A-fucking-men Hepburn Jan 2012 #140

Much like wearing a burka. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #142

That's a really interesting issue and so topical. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #143

I wouldn't tell a woman who wanted to wear a burka that she couldn't. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #149

This is the greatness of America, spoken as a Canadian. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #145

what about if I operate a pay-day loan business charging 25% interest? maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #146

Sorry I'm late to the party. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #151