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George II

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53. That Progressive Punch site can be misleading. There are scores for "Lifetime" and....
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 09:31 AM
Apr 2021

....just the current session. I've found the best way to compare members is to use just the current session, which at this time is inaccurate because it's only been about 2 months. If you look at the current session, the first 46 members are tied for 1st, the next 47 members are tied for 47th because there are just too few votes so far to distinguish them from each other.

Comparing "lifetime" scores is inaccurate because you're comparing 30+ year careers to those who have only been in the House for 2 years or so. Plus, as noted before, leaders normally don't participate in votes so there is less to judge, especially recently.

These sites are good for comparing the relative "progressiveness" of members in a particular session or lifetime for those who have been in the House for about the same time. The concept of "progressiveness" changes over the years.

Plus, each score on PP is based on the "progressiveness" of the districts too. For example, a member like Cuellar, in a right leaning District and who may only vote with Democrats say 60% of the time, might get a higher score than a member who votes with the Democrats 80% in a far left leaning District. The expectation is that one in a left-leaning District should vote with Democrats much more than one in a right-leaning District. They use the overall voting record compared to the relative "progressiveness" of the District.

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Interesting that six of the top 30 Democrats are from the NYC area: George II Apr 2021 #1
Lowey and Eliot's seats were not lost, they were won by 2 fine Democrats, Autumn Apr 2021 #2
I didn't say their seats were LOST, I said we lost THEM. Are either still in the House? George II Apr 2021 #3
Times change. Its better to have new people, more representative of America Autumn Apr 2021 #5
They didn't represent "America" they represented the New York City Metropolitan area.... George II Apr 2021 #9
I'm talking about the House on the whole. Two reps are gone, replaced by Dems. IMO we lost nothing Autumn Apr 2021 #12
I don't know what else to tell you Autumn, but we lost 62 years' experience, which is NOT "nothing". George II Apr 2021 #13
Add up the total years of experience of all Dems, look at that and look where we are at. Autumn Apr 2021 #18
I don't even know what that means, Autumn, but..... George II Apr 2021 #21
The study is not important. Any one can rank #1 when Republicans, Dems and Autumn Apr 2021 #24
She got to be chair BECAUSE she was effective, not the other way around. George II Apr 2021 #30
AOC raised the most money among House Dems for reelection campaign. Autumn Apr 2021 #32
So? What does that have to do with a Representative doing his/her job? George II Apr 2021 #34
Seriously. I thought fundraising skills were bad because money in politics is very bad. betsuni Apr 2021 #42
Apparently "big money in politics" is good for some, bad for others. What would be interesting.... George II Apr 2021 #54
It's incorrect as well. Speaker Pelosi raised more money. lapucelle Apr 2021 #44
Exactly. George II Apr 2021 #55
That's not correct. Speaker Pelosi raised the most money among Democrats for both her own reelection lapucelle Apr 2021 #43
The study rates members on their effectiveness in Congress doing their jobs, not.... George II Apr 2021 #58
Wait...what? "The study is not important"? Yes it is. We're Democrats. We like data. lapucelle Apr 2021 #46
It might be important to you. It isn't to me. That my opinion and I'll not change it. Autumn Apr 2021 #50
It's certainly true that facts and data are not important to everyone. N/T lapucelle Apr 2021 #52
So then Autumn, on what do you base your opinion. That's a rather credible and detailed.... George II Apr 2021 #56
I have never head of a chair of the appropriations committee to ever be ineffective, if one was Autumn Apr 2021 #57
Neither have I. Perhaps it's because their effectiveness qualified them to become the chair.... George II Apr 2021 #59
Well for sure it's not often any politician will vote against funding the government Autumn Apr 2021 #60
Yes, it's not often that any politician would vote against funding the government..... George II Apr 2021 #61
Umm. The 2nd year new member is #230 out of 240. Budi Apr 2021 #36
I'm thankful for ALL our Dems. YMOV. nt Autumn Apr 2021 #37
Yup. Even Senator Joe Manchin & Sen Sinema Budi Apr 2021 #39
That is the truth. Autumn Apr 2021 #51
Yes, we are all thankful for Democrats in the Congress. N/T lapucelle Apr 2021 #49
I am on the Just Us Democrats email list LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #62
Bernie Sanders: "We have got to look at candidates, you know, not by the color of their skin, betsuni Apr 2021 #40
Yes, Too bad we Lost two of the Most Effective Cha Apr 2021 #19
'we define legislative effectiveness as "proven ability to advance a member's agenda Hortensis Apr 2021 #4
Govtrack.us is also a reliable source for ratings and rankings. lapucelle Apr 2021 #7
That's another good site, I use it a lot. And then there is Progressive Punch: George II Apr 2021 #14
I notice most in the top 10 scored most progressive haven't been Hortensis Apr 2021 #41
That Progressive Punch site can be misleading. There are scores for "Lifetime" and.... George II Apr 2021 #53
The Speaker and party leaders don't normally participate in the activities used to calculate.... George II Apr 2021 #10
Right. These rate the performance of some 400 rank and file legislators. Hortensis Apr 2021 #11
Interesting study LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #6
And least effective in the New York delegation. lapucelle Apr 2021 #8
Wow... you would think.. Cha Apr 2021 #15
This is interesting LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #28
So is This.. TY! More so.. Cha Apr 2021 #29
⭐🌟💥 WOW! Fascinating! NurseJackie Apr 2021 #45
Mahalo, lapucelle.. what Cha Apr 2021 #16
Facts are more important than narrative. lapucelle Apr 2021 #20
Yes, they are and Cha Apr 2021 #22
Thank you. sheshe2 Apr 2021 #17
Bottom 2 (D/I) - Stabenow 0116; Sanders 0.136 speak easy Apr 2021 #23
By the way, Jim Jordan is 202 of 205. George II Apr 2021 #25
Yeah for Lauren Underwood LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2021 #26
She's impressive! betsuni Apr 2021 #31
Yes. She rarely tweets and doesn't have a Twitch account, but plugs away at her job. George II Apr 2021 #33
Underwood came in with a background as a nurse, but she's an especially Hortensis Apr 2021 #35
K&R betsuni Apr 2021 #27
K & R Thank You for the valuable information. Budi Apr 2021 #38
"Those more effective tend to be what we would call the workhorses rather than the show horses." lapucelle Apr 2021 #47
I love the workhorses! betsuni Apr 2021 #48
:) The types in front of the cameras are almost laughably obvious Hortensis Apr 2021 #63
"Workhorse" was the term frequently used to describe HRC's role as senator. lapucelle Apr 2021 #64
Oh, yes. She's a major policy nerd, never saw a problem she didn't Hortensis Apr 2021 #65
+1 betsuni Apr 2021 #66
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