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Withywindle

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162. I think "identity issues" are being driven by people of various identities.

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:49 AM

Apr 2021

Black people are tired of being shat on for being Black. LGBTQ+ people are tired of being shat on for being LGBTQ+. Immigrants are tired of being shat on for being immigrants. Pretty much everyone who's not a straight white Christian man is tired of the face of power and wealth being nothing but straight white Christian men.

Identity matters because when you look at a picture of 46 people who've held the highest office, there's not a single female face and only one Black one. Hell, Biden is only the second Catholic.

I know lots of people in working/lower-middle-class, of all sorts of identities, mostly Gen X, younger Boomers, and older Millennials, and the only ones who sneer at "identity politics" are in two categories: 1) straight white vaguely leftish dudes who come from pretty bourgeois backgrounds and think they're the center of the world, and 2) straight-up neofascists.

Everyone else is aware of the realities on the ground, which is that identity absolutely fucking matters when you get pulled over for a "traffic stop" or you can lose your job for having a picture of your spouse on your desk or you're afraid of going to the ER because you might get asked for papers you don't have.

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James Carville worried Dems set to lose over social issues [View all] Yorkie Mom Apr 2021 OP

Bring in the new blood Yorkie Mom Apr 2021 #1

Biden is president and he wouldn't be if it wasn't for Rep. Clayburn... brush Apr 2021 #6

Oooof greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #2

So, you think "identity issues" are being driven by the working class? Yorkie Mom Apr 2021 #5

I worked with many minorities. Elessar Zappa Apr 2021 #9

Thanks! Do you think they are driving the identity issues? Yorkie Mom Apr 2021 #11

Yes, no doubt. BLM isn't driven by upper class white people and neither are most of the ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #29

You are quite right, Carveille needs to woke up. PurgedVoter Apr 2021 #166

We wouldn't have so many problems if upper class white people cared about these issues AZProgressive Apr 2021 #92

Do I think working class black women recognize that they face multiple forms of discrimination greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #12

That wasn't the question at all... Yorkie Mom Apr 2021 #20

That was absolutely the question greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #22

So glad you can jump into my mind and read it. Yorkie Mom Apr 2021 #27

Ten bucks says you fail to see the irony in your having expressed that... LanternWaste Apr 2021 #182

But you call them Black, not "people of color", or "women of color" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2021 #62

As a 'person of color', I've never met another one in RL that referred to themselves like that. Nexus2 Apr 2021 #71

Where is "RL?" lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #169

Its short for Real Life, offline reality [nt] Nexus2 Apr 2021 #183

Oh, I had forgotten about that. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #186

THIS is what people like Carville mean when they sneer at "identity politics" Withywindle Apr 2021 #165

I think "identity issues" are being driven by people of various identities. Withywindle Apr 2021 #162

There is a difference between "driving" and identifying. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #175

+10000000000000000 Celerity Apr 2021 #16

Policies that enjoy majority approval across the board gratuitous Apr 2021 #3

Says a man who hasn't been relevant in 30 years. Doremus Apr 2021 #4

Amen. Kid Berwyn Apr 2021 #70

This. Why are we still listening to this guy? Withywindle Apr 2021 #163

Noise. stillcool Apr 2021 #7

Huh, sounds just like the kind of shit Republicans say. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #8

Lizard man should go away. Maybe hang out with Lizard Wife more. NT. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #10

OK for real, you made me laugh out loud SoonerPride Apr 2021 #14

+1. A Clearing Apr 2021 #86

Agree... Mike Nelson Apr 2021 #13

DTP wasn't the onus of loss of seats bad campaigning was. We can fool ourserlves into thinking uponit7771 Apr 2021 #31

Sorry you couldn't be more wrong..DTP killed our side.. caber09 Apr 2021 #78

Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #87

What are you talking about? Biden was not for DTP... caber09 Apr 2021 #94

I care about fixing problems in policing AZProgressive Apr 2021 #101

Defunding the police isn't fixing policing, it's political suicide caber09 Apr 2021 #111

Biden and Democrats won the district AZProgressive Apr 2021 #114

Seems some of those cities are now re-funding the police caber09 Apr 2021 #119

DU is for supporters of the Democratic Party. "I don't care if Democrats win or lose anymore"? betsuni Apr 2021 #99

Yeah I was thinking samething lol caber09 Apr 2021 #100

Guess it's too much to ask to have a place free of Democrat-bashing. betsuni Apr 2021 #106

I voted for Biden to remove Trump AZProgressive Apr 2021 #102

This a forum for supporters of Democrats. betsuni Apr 2021 #104

I support Democrats that support defund the police AZProgressive Apr 2021 #105

What? betsuni Apr 2021 #107

A lot of Bernie supporters complained about identity politics AZProgressive Apr 2021 #109

What? That's wrong. betsuni Apr 2021 #154

"Defund the Police" is a Losing Slogan! Especially Cha Apr 2021 #156

So? It doesn't matter why.. we Got Cha Apr 2021 #155

YES! We are the party of identity politics. We identify with honest, working men and women who joetheman Apr 2021 #15

However poorly made, there are points in what Carville is saying dutch777 Apr 2021 #17

No, what dragged down the Dems wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #23

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 OMG This !!! I've been trying to say this with too many words for months. Bad uponit7771 Apr 2021 #32

Exactly wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #38

OP Worthy 👉🏾 "Voters don't vote for scared Democrats. Voters vote for strong Democrats." uponit7771 Apr 2021 #41

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2021 #67

Stacey Abrams gets credit for the Georgia success. She nixes dtp nt oasis Apr 2021 #191

+1 betsuni Apr 2021 #199

+1 caber09 Apr 2021 #205

Yeah, if we followed this advice,we would have lost more seats IMHO. Most voters Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #46

Dems backtracked with the uniform "reform the police" spiel wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #59

Really, well 'defund the police' weakens our ability to win elections. And the GOP ran many add on Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #65

The Republicans will say we'll defund the police wellst0nev0ter Apr 2021 #75

Nutjob . eom Xoan Apr 2021 #18

Except WHITT Apr 2021 #19

Well, who started the "defund the police?" Republicans running for office in the last election demosincebirth Apr 2021 #24

Also liberals who didn't like the radical "abolish the police" message. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #30

There wasn't ONE PERSON on the left who started that slogan it was the lack of national level attack uponit7771 Apr 2021 #33

It started during protests that got a little out of hand and cops started cracking heads demosincebirth Apr 2021 #54

Some videos I saw police crack heads with peaceful protestors uponit7771 Apr 2021 #61

Peaceful demonstrations that extend into the nite bring out demosincebirth Apr 2021 #69

Well I observed the police... tonedevil Apr 2021 #72

Please stop AOC literally said dtp means dtp right before election caber09 Apr 2021 #80

Yes she did: "Defund the police means defund the police." betsuni Apr 2021 #84

AOC started the slogan?!?! Really?!?! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #91

Are you serious? "Dtp means dtp" caber09 Apr 2021 #95

AOC Sgent Apr 2021 #40

Asked, "What does an America with defunded police look like to you?" Ocasio-Cortez responded, "It Celerity Apr 2021 #56

THIIISSSSSS Withywindle Apr 2021 #164

That is untrue...prominent Democrats had defund the police on their websites and this Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #47

Like who?! There was no dtp platform from democrats at best it was sympathizing with the uponit7771 Apr 2021 #60

Google is your friend... I will not post it...as the lawmakers have removed this. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #64

Not from democrats running as a platform it wont, its false to claim that dems made DTP a part of uponit7771 Apr 2021 #66

Again please stop lying AOC etc literally campaigned on it caber09 Apr 2021 #81

AOC is the DNC platform or are you just responding to my pay and not reading them? uponit7771 Apr 2021 #90

She campaigned on it, along with many others.. caber09 Apr 2021 #96

Good, we're agreeing it was not on the platform and "acting" is subjective at best ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #108

Yes a slogan cost us, no matter what you keep saying.. caber09 Apr 2021 #110

FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: Dems *LACK OF RESPONSE* to a slogan that wasn't part of our platform ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #115

"Dtp means dtp" political suicide and homicide to dem candidates caber09 Apr 2021 #117

Question: Is the whole kGQP a bunch of child trafficking assholes? If no then BINGO. The kGQP uponit7771 Apr 2021 #121

Changing the subject attempt, interesting... caber09 Apr 2021 #122

Great, seeing most people here know its a sentiment and not an action like most Americans (poll) uponit7771 Apr 2021 #123

Thanks for actually proving my point, appreciate it.. caber09 Apr 2021 #124

+1 betsuni Apr 2021 #125

This poster thinks dtp resonated well in MO 6 with R-Sam Graves as their rep?? Lol caber09 Apr 2021 #134

Huge lol. betsuni Apr 2021 #137

67%+ voted R Graves but it resonates with posters district lmao caber09 Apr 2021 #141

I'm from nyc and now this poster asked if I'm from the USA lol geez pure comedy gold caber09 Apr 2021 #147

Yes. betsuni Apr 2021 #149

Neither of us said it was a winning slogan. My claim is 1. it wasn't part of the DNC platform ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #126

I'll give you one bonus chance.. caber09 Apr 2021 #127

Dis 6 MO and it resonated great imho. This is the 3RD TIME I've answered that question !! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #128

What state? I missed where you answered it caber09 Apr 2021 #129

MO means Missouri and I answered it in the first line the first time you asked. What about my uponit7771 Apr 2021 #131

Ok district 6 MO I didn't see the MO caber09 Apr 2021 #130

The district is HEAVILY GM'd so the part I live in fell in line with the rest of the country where uponit7771 Apr 2021 #133

So it doesn't resonate in your district...you lied caber09 Apr 2021 #135

Typical of LPC, you ran from the question I asked 4 times and the district is GM'd so it only matter uponit7771 Apr 2021 #138

You think defund resonates well your rep district R- Sam Graves? caber09 Apr 2021 #132

ABSOLUTELY !! Especially were I live and in ST Louis but understand the district was heavily uponit7771 Apr 2021 #136

67%+ voted R in your district caber09 Apr 2021 #139

Do you understand what gerrymandered means?! and you didn't answer the question. CAN ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #140

Already answered your question hope they do... caber09 Apr 2021 #142

Thank you, hope doesn't cut it. Either we can or can't and right now we ca NOT make Gaetz... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #144

You lied about it resonating in your area when it's the exact opposite. caber09 Apr 2021 #143

Do you understand urban and suburban areas in a district? Are you from the US? tia uponit7771 Apr 2021 #145

NYC born and bred..so yes I understand urban and suburban caber09 Apr 2021 #146

Then you understand in mostly black areas DTP was popular as a sentiment, the polling even... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #148

Come on Many dems did including bush and AOC caber09 Apr 2021 #79

Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman won their primaries on this issue AZProgressive Apr 2021 #88

They won in blue districts that you or I could win, come on man caber09 Apr 2021 #97

Blue district Democrats have every right to support local issues that matter to them AZProgressive Apr 2021 #103

Blue district dem voters dont support defund the police in caber09 Apr 2021 #112

I never saw New York City or the state of New York AZProgressive Apr 2021 #113

OFFS so who is your rep? How's dtp in your own district? caber09 Apr 2021 #116

If you don't have a problem with "stop and frisk" that tells me everything I need to know AZProgressive Apr 2021 #118

Who said I was for stop and frisk? Lmao caber09 Apr 2021 #120

Their Districts are Deep BLUE! We're Cha Apr 2021 #158

He kind of has a point, look at what happened after Obama Care, or the ACA...republicans used a SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #21

He does have a point, and a very good one. demosincebirth Apr 2021 #26

He does. When I first heard Gil Garcetti use "defund the police" I cringed. Dream Girl Apr 2021 #37

Democrats have alway been very good at shooting them selves demosincebirth Apr 2021 #55

ACA is perfect example of no national level attack allowing the stupid to take root. They can't ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #34

The Democrats lost in 2010 because of message voting ...those on our side who were angry about Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #48

Absolutely you're right. We need a coordinated and ongoing messaging to aggressively SWBTATTReg Apr 2021 #52

Hear, hear misanthrope Apr 2021 #58

how can an "authority" be wrong so often? bullimiami Apr 2021 #25

The Real Reason WHITT Apr 2021 #28

Doubtful unfortunately DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2021 #36

Well WHITT Apr 2021 #44

True however ibegurpard Apr 2021 #50

Add to that the fact that every MAGAT with a pulse crawled out of their holes to Bettie Apr 2021 #51

James, you're out of touch. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #35

I really wish people would use the same amount of energy devoted to social issues... WarGamer Apr 2021 #39

Before the wet brain I used to really like JC Runningdawg Apr 2021 #42

Yeah, I remember the "Cocktail Party" commercial TexasBushwhacker Apr 2021 #157

How much of that is actually Democrats (or even "the English Faculty at Amherst") and how much is... JHB Apr 2021 #43

2022 may be a repeat of 1994 and 2010 Klaralven Apr 2021 #45

Or it could be 2002 ...which is what I hope for where the President's party made gains.. It all Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #49

i hope not Demovictory9 Apr 2021 #53

All 3 word slogans seem to hurt Democrats liberalmediaaddict Apr 2021 #57

His concern is noted. nt Autumn Apr 2021 #63

James Carville: "I've never heard anybody use the word hegemony." Duncan Grant Apr 2021 #68

Stuff like this really frustrates me Mad_Machine76 Apr 2021 #73

It's really bizarre to put "person of color" and "defund the police" in the same category fishwax Apr 2021 #74

no one is pushing 'defund police' bigtree Apr 2021 #76

Another one, please stop AOC etc literally ran on dtp and it dragged dems down caber09 Apr 2021 #82

that's literally a lie. bigtree Apr 2021 #83

She said "Defund the police means defund the police." betsuni Apr 2021 #85

Yes, that's an exact quote. George II Apr 2021 #152

poster claimed she 'literally ran on defund police bigtree Apr 2021 #168

She did. AOC "is among the proponents of defunding the police departments and reinvesting betsuni Apr 2021 #170

her statement was specifically about removing police from schools bigtree Apr 2021 #178

"Defunding police" is still on her campaign website. betsuni Apr 2021 #184

Unbelievable... caber09 Apr 2021 #185

she made a couple of statements, she didn't 'go around repeating it' bigtree Apr 2021 #188

she's just a target for some bigtree Apr 2021 #187

Ok let's try this with you...what district are you in? Did dtp resonate in your district? caber09 Apr 2021 #189

nope bigtree Apr 2021 #192

Yep nothing to say because you've been proven wrong, understood caber09 Apr 2021 #196

+1 betsuni Apr 2021 #197

another one of your bad takes on this thread bigtree Apr 2021 #203

No it's not "dtp means dtp" is what she pushed nationwide as well caber09 Apr 2021 #98

you didn't post a quote because there wasn't one bigtree Apr 2021 #167

In response to DeBlasio's budget cuts, she said "This is not a victory. The fight to defund betsuni Apr 2021 #171

she didn't base any campaign on that bigtree Apr 2021 #172

Can't believe this post got alerted on Sympthsical Apr 2021 #173

Here she is on Good Morning America talking about her support of defund the police. betsuni Apr 2021 #176

that's not campaigning bigtree Apr 2021 #177

Hmmm... caber09 Apr 2021 #190

meh. bigtree Apr 2021 #193

Meh? Yep nothing to say bec it contradicts what you've been saying caber09 Apr 2021 #195

The words I'm saying don't mean what the words mean! betsuni Apr 2021 #194

answering a question in an interview is not a campaign bigtree Apr 2021 #204

She has constantly pushed Defunding the Police, not sure what you arent getting, or refusing to get caber09 Apr 2021 #206

a couple instances, only two cited on this thread bigtree Apr 2021 #207

"A handful of times" ?? she is one of the proponents of defunding the police...constantly pushing caber09 Apr 2021 #208

all of those links point to only TWO instances where she used the word 'defund' bigtree Apr 2021 #209

What dont you understand... caber09 Apr 2021 #210

any article that states that is wrong bigtree Apr 2021 #211

Thanks for the good laugh..."any article that states that is wrong" caber09 Apr 2021 #212

I live in a suburb which does not have an oppressive police presence bigtree Apr 2021 #216

So you are saying Biden, Obama, Clyburn and most dems are wrong and you are right? caber09 Apr 2021 #223

you're now entirely debating the inside of your own head bigtree Apr 2021 #225

Yep no comeback whatsoever...get out of your utopia look around, you are wrong caber09 Apr 2021 #227

non sequiturs aren't designed for comebacks bigtree Apr 2021 #229

I lulz'd KG Apr 2021 #77

It is interesting he is saying this when he was dead set against Bernie Sanders AZProgressive Apr 2021 #89

"the Third Way was known for being centrist or right wing on economic issues" betsuni Apr 2021 #93

Guess I'm not going to get an explanation. Insults only. betsuni Apr 2021 #151

We can win elections if we think and act wisely. nt oasis Apr 2021 #150

Well put. DFW Apr 2021 #153

"He who knows, and knows that he knows.....etc.. Carville's oasis Apr 2021 #160

I first met him at a meeting of Texas Democrats DFW Apr 2021 #161

James Carville worried he's set to lose TxGuitar Apr 2021 #159

Given some of the responses in the thread he's probably right. BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #174

One boomer to another: OK, Boomer. n/t. NNadir Apr 2021 #179

he is actually technically too old to even be a boomer Celerity Apr 2021 #198

Thanks for that locution. NNadir Apr 2021 #200

"under the influence of his wife, became one" betsuni Apr 2021 #201

I concede there is a difference between obvious and subtle. NNadir Apr 2021 #202

no one ever worries about repukes losing over fascist issues Skittles Apr 2021 #180

This is the kind of thinking that has hamstrung the Democratic party Mysterian Apr 2021 #181

That dude is always worried. CrackityJones75 Apr 2021 #213

If Biden had backed DTP, Trump would still be president. PERIOD. oasis Apr 2021 #214

+1000000 caber09 Apr 2021 #215

if Biden had wings and wheels... bigtree Apr 2021 #217

Please come back to reality caber09 Apr 2021 #218

please give it a rest bigtree Apr 2021 #221

Great comeback, you already proved being full of it bec your district is not for defunding police caber09 Apr 2021 #224

please stop. bigtree Apr 2021 #226

Sad, you are begging, I accept your unconditional surrender, enjoy your safe suburb caber09 Apr 2021 #228

take care of yourself bigtree Apr 2021 #230

Oh by the way Rs got 200k more votes in nyc bec of dtp.. caber09 Apr 2021 #231

"Air Force One" will do for now. Thank you. oasis Apr 2021 #219

ha! bigtree Apr 2021 #222

I doubt the English faculty at Amherst iemanja Apr 2021 #220