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156. "They'll call it welfare"

Reply to meaculpa2011 (Reply #129)

Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:12 PM

Oct 2012

"They'll call it welfare."

If they thought that was a smart move they would have done it long ago, given that people at the very low end of the income scale already get more out of it than they put in.

I don't think that would happen. But to make sure it doesn't, the easiest thing to do is to remove the cap, and then have a RANGE of benefits that can be paid out, where higher income earners DO get more, but just not in DIRECT proportion to what they put in. That's already what happens for the low incomes. ie-a multimillionaire contributor might get triple what a middle class contributor gets while having paid in much more than three times what the middle class contributor put in.

We could also point out that NONE of the federal subsidy programs work that way (get out only in proportion to what you put in) BEGINNING with FARM SUBSIDIES and Federal flood insurance.

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I'm 54 and I could SCREAM when I hear "anyone over 55 doesn't need to worry about Social Security" [View all] Matariki Oct 2012 OP

That's how mittens sharp_stick Oct 2012 #1

The Republicans can't begin to understand that a lot of us care about maddiemom Oct 2012 #76

The millionaires and billionaires need their tax cuts Cali_Democrat Oct 2012 #2

Never mind the tax cuts, the problem is the Payroll Tax CAP. TrollBuster9090 Oct 2012 #64

+1,000,000 OverBurn Oct 2012 #66

Thanks! I don't know why we don't push this idea more. It has traction. TrollBuster9090 Oct 2012 #90

Thank you for putting this clearly. SalviaBlue Oct 2012 #74

Thank you! TrollBuster9090 Oct 2012 #89

COLA this year - cap is at 110k FogerRox Oct 2012 #119

You have the math wrong. LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #127

Social Security is also not broke but the cap should be removed. LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #128

If you want to destroy Social Security... meaculpa2011 Oct 2012 #129

"They'll call it welfare" TrollBuster9090 Oct 2012 #156

I'm 55 & it's a lie. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #3

You bet, it's just a ploy. They're coming for everyone IMO. Young, old and RKP5637 Oct 2012 #13

It's a bunch of "stuff" brush Oct 2012 #55

Exactly!!! "they know that that trillion-dollar pile of money is just sitting there and they know RKP5637 Oct 2012 #59

There is no trillion dollar pile of money. ronnie624 Oct 2012 #142

Yep, maintaining the American empire for the wealthy political elites in this RKP5637 Oct 2012 #145

You are absolutely right. That pile of money is too much of a tempation for them Matariki Oct 2012 #20

Got that right. This 55 stuff is all BS. They're hiding the rest of the deck. MichiganVote Oct 2012 #104

And if the plan is so good RockaFowler Oct 2012 #4

me too, but I am only 50 hfojvt Oct 2012 #5

Bingo brush Oct 2012 #40

Not to worry left-of-center2012 Oct 2012 #6

Before I got covered my health insurance was going to ~$7,000 per year and that was with something RKP5637 Oct 2012 #16

Romney and Bain Capital destroyed Orange Julius, however, and Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #22

That was them? I liked that place. Damn them to hell. nt white_wolf Oct 2012 #52

And that "voucher" won't be worth the paper it would be written on meow2u3 Oct 2012 #32

Not gonna happen. No one is "grandfathered" into anything and people need to be made brewens Oct 2012 #7

It will be a mass revolt and that's their game plan. Damn I hate these F'en people like RKP5637 Oct 2012 #18

That is their game plan. The Wielding Truth Oct 2012 #58

Yep, America to Romney and his ilk is a corporation waiting to be plundered. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2012 #60

And a by-product of their privatizing game plan is for us to be divided over it We People Oct 2012 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author MadDash Oct 2012 #8

Yup, I was born in 1958 and am 54. phylny Oct 2012 #9

Same here and I'm over 55, and I care about everyone. Damn, I hate some of these F'en RKP5637 Oct 2012 #10

I'm 61 and more than a little concerned that their definition of "get what they were promised"... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #11

If their plan is so great why don't 55-and-older folks get to partake? Arkana Oct 2012 #12

Excellent point that most people would understand. NightOwwl Oct 2012 #109

I hear ya. graywarrior Oct 2012 #14

They believe all the older folks just want to get theirs Mariana Oct 2012 #112

It's bullshit. Seniors are not happy about this. It's so not American! graywarrior Oct 2012 #113

Same here! I'm a year behind you! City Lights Oct 2012 #15

I know. I want to yell out, "I'M RIGHT HERE!" Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #17

That makes me furious, as well. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #19

It IS an entitlement but they've made that word sound dirty Matariki Oct 2012 #21

I paid into Social Security for over 50 years. RebelOne Oct 2012 #71

Its an asset, not an entitlement. MichiganVote Oct 2012 #106

Don't be ticked off by that term. It IS the very definition of an entitlement. Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #155

You and me both. ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #23

Forced to pay into it. Not like it was an option. No opting out for anyone. And now the pukes SammyWinstonJack Oct 2012 #130

THIEVES. They want to take SS and give it to f*cking Wall St.! ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #132

If you've paid into it why wouldn't you want it there when you are ready to retire. socialaidem Oct 2012 #24

me to MFM008 Oct 2012 #25

I'm 55 and they will screw both you and me, Matariki Skittles Oct 2012 #26

I know how you feel BainsBane Oct 2012 #27

Me too...I turned 54 this past summer. Ryan says if he has his way I'm screwed. bowens43 Oct 2012 #28

Me too, 1958 was apparently a big year for future DU'ers!!! n/t winstars Oct 2012 #34

54 = born 1958, 20 y/o in 1978, been paying extra into SS for the last 29 years -- why should those HiPointDem Oct 2012 #29

Spot - freakin' - on, HiPointDem suffragette Oct 2012 #42

+1. they expect people not to remember and not to have understood in the first place. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #50

+2 It is divide and conquer again. Live and Learn Oct 2012 #63

It's like they are saying to seniors abelenkpe Oct 2012 #30

DITTO! To every single word of your post! emmadoggy Oct 2012 #75

I agree, 51 here and mad as hell! alimor24 Oct 2012 #138

If R&R cause it to be insolvent like experts predict none of us get what we paid into. VOTE DEM Booster Oct 2012 #31

I wouldn't worry about it MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #33

I am 55 1/2. HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL, lol? kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #35

I'm 55 also AnnieK401 Oct 2012 #51

Why aren't you furious as it is? ArcticFox Oct 2012 #79

You are correct! AnnieK401 Oct 2012 #88

Thank goodness ArcticFox Oct 2012 #118

Do you honestly believe that you got in under the wire? alimor24 Oct 2012 #139

Good Point AnnieK401 Oct 2012 #143

I'm 54 and it makes me want to scream too Joey Liberal Oct 2012 #36

I'm 47 and have been paying in for 30 years. It pisses me off to. tk2kewl Oct 2012 #37

Well, I'm fifty-six and I was standing where you are two years ago when they started 1monster Oct 2012 #38

Me, I'm older and wiser. freedom fighter jh Oct 2012 #39

It's not 55 years old...it's 1955.!!!!! RagAss Oct 2012 #41

You got a source for that? freedom fighter jh Oct 2012 #141

The source is the Ryan plan. Have you read it? RagAss Oct 2012 #148

No. nt freedom fighter jh Oct 2012 #153

The Ryan Medicare Plan: Winners and Losers WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #152

I'm wondering if they didn't say "born after 1955" bc when they said that those people were 55 yo. freedom fighter jh Oct 2012 #154

Oh, I'm sure *everything* will become crystal clear during... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #158

52, but really mad because this is so easy to fix...... daleanime Oct 2012 #43

And that ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #44

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Cha Oct 2012 #48

It boggles my mind that anyone in our age group trusts their retirement to Mitt & Co. eallen Oct 2012 #45

That's because you are a "younger worker". Never mind that 63 used to be retirement age. n/t silvershadow Oct 2012 #46

I'm 62 and I could scream also, to think we could sell out you guys because I got mine shows .... marble falls Oct 2012 #47

I'm 64 and it makes me want to scream too lunatica Oct 2012 #49

It won't effect the seniors now Politicalboi Oct 2012 #53

Right brush Oct 2012 #62

I have children UNDER 55 PatSeg Oct 2012 #54

Oh, but don't you get it? We'll be able to "choose" any plan we want! bluesbassman Oct 2012 #56

I'm 63 (soon to be 64---hats off to Paul McCartney) and it makes me furious, too. Grammy23 Oct 2012 #57

I'm 63 also..... llmart Oct 2012 #85

I forgot to add..... llmart Oct 2012 #86

Divide & Conquer Bigredhunk Oct 2012 #61

They seem to be right ArcticFox Oct 2012 #81

And as soon as they screw the under 55'ers, they will turn around and say n2doc Oct 2012 #65

Yup. No question. MichiganVote Oct 2012 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #67

50 and pissed off. penndragon69 Oct 2012 #68

Needs testing is a bad idea exboyfil Oct 2012 #78

Bad idea. Matariki Oct 2012 #91

It is a tactical split designed to divide support. jtuck004 Oct 2012 #69

Aren't you talking about medicare? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2012 #70

FOX "News" Viewers are in their 70s Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #72

thats what I said maindawg Oct 2012 #73

Yep Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #77

I am 43 chloes1 Oct 2012 #80

I'm 63 and I scream, too wryter2000 Oct 2012 #82

hey I am over 55 and feel the same way hollysmom Oct 2012 #83

I'm 52 and I swear that I can feel my blood pressure elevate... MANative Oct 2012 #84

And too old to save enough to make up for what will be stolen from us... Matariki Oct 2012 #92

I could scream too brightertomorrow Oct 2012 #87

Divide divide divide. I'm 65 and I worry about my kids' safety net Hekate Oct 2012 #93

Im nearly 51 and I feel the same when R and R talk about medicare. Utah_liberal Oct 2012 #94

The current estimate is that social security benefits will be reduced in 2033 ... spin Oct 2012 #95

Spin, thats the intermediate cost scenario, the low cost scenario says SS is good thru 2090 FogerRox Oct 2012 #121

The future of Social Security is complicated. ... spin Oct 2012 #124

i'm 57 barbtries Oct 2012 #96

I'm 51 and I'm getting used to getting the short end of the stick hootinholler Oct 2012 #97

57 next month shanti Oct 2012 #98

You would be 55 by the time it was changed. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #99

I am 50 and am on Medicare because of a disability Liberalynn Oct 2012 #100

I'm with you! Lint Head Oct 2012 #101

I'm 57 and I don't truest them for a minute BlueStreak Oct 2012 #102

Screwed under-55's would immediately vote to screw over-55's gulliver Oct 2012 #103

No. I really don't think you are correct. Matariki Oct 2012 #114

I definitely do believe it. gulliver Oct 2012 #122

Makes me furious too Lifelong Protester Oct 2012 #107

I'll soon be 61 and I could scream too........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2012 #108

It's not just what you were promised. It's what you've paid for. Mister Ed Oct 2012 #111

Question DonCoquixote Oct 2012 #115

Shit, I'm pissed and I'm all of 42. Codeine Oct 2012 #116

I know! LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #117

Not far behind you my friend and absolutely furious as well. What's worse is that both sides are Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #120

Me too, and I'm almost 49, but it's not a surprise to me. Up2Late Oct 2012 #123

I'm 65 and it makes ME furious too! eridani Oct 2012 #125

I'm 61 and it scares the hell out of me! B Calm Oct 2012 #126

Me too. tblue Oct 2012 #131

I'm 53 and I'm sick of being dismessed as unimportant. WTF we all paid into SS. we can do it Oct 2012 #133

My mom is 54 and she blew up when she heard that. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #134

Maybe someone could explain to me, marezdotes Oct 2012 #135

It makes me furious for my children's sake Daphne08 Oct 2012 #136

Yes, and as soon as they take it away from people under 55 ... Jim__ Oct 2012 #137

yeah. i've been working almost 40 years cause i started as a bus-boy at 14 years old! Mothdust Oct 2012 #140

Whatever goes around, comes around. raging moderate Oct 2012 #144

I'm 51, and agree with you 100%! n/t markpkessinger Oct 2012 #146

I'm 66 and I feel the same way. Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #147

Boy DU is full of a bunch of old farts eh? OldHippieChick Oct 2012 #149

hell no! 50 s are the new 30 s ! Mothdust Oct 2012 #157

I'm almost 51...and I agree. Nt adigal Oct 2012 #150

Yep, feels like they are pulling the rug out from under you liberal N proud Oct 2012 #151